What is LOA?

[Vee]

Hi guys,

I've been on these boards a few weeks and i've found all the posts so interesting and insightful.

I came on these boards to find advice on developing my ability to use LOA and co-create my life. But from replies on the board it seems to me this is not possible.

Instead, the threads have themes of accepting life as it is, choosing how to react to situations to empower yourself or changing your perspective to deal with your life.

But this is not co-creating or LOA in my mind - I want to be able to create my experiences, and attract the events and people that i want in my life - not learn how to accept my life as it is.

If LOA doesn't exist - fine. I am happy to take life as it comes - i have done for the past 25 years.

So my question is what is LOA for posters?

[Acting Like Godot]

Oh, the "magic" stuff works.

The old timers on this forum are just bored of telling their success stories again and again.

One of my latest "magic" manifestations was getting about $12,000 within one day,after manifesting for $10,000 to show up in my life.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Vee

....... I want to be able to create my experiences, and attract the events and people that i want in my life ......

Something like this, perhaps?

[RT Wolf]

i believe that the accepting stuff is very important to your happiness as well as IM.

Really, though, its not all that complicated, so its like you can cover the same ground over and over again.

I've realized that I have a tendancy to make things more complicated than they need to be.

1. Think/feel what you want.
2. Detach from the outcome.
3. ????
4. Profit!

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by RT Wolf

i believe that the accepting stuff is very important to your happiness as well as IM.

Really, though, its not all that complicated, so its like you can cover the same ground over and over again.

I've realized that I have a tendancy to make things more complicated than they need to be.

1. Think/feel what you want.
2. Detach from the outcome.
3. ????
4. Profit!

It can be more complicated, though. At least for some of us.

I've completely immersed myself in studying IM/LOA over the past four months and have discovered in some ways IM is a trial by fire -- because in order to achieve what I want, I have to work through what's keeping me stuck. And it's hard.

There are a lot of aspects to all this. We've talked about conflicting desires, for instance. Like if someone wants a fabulous marriage with a certain person, and also wants a fantastic career as Chief of Surgery for a high-powered hospital. But the person he/she wants to marry needs lots of togetherness and consistency in time spent together, dinner together every evening, no disruptions in plans, etc. These two desires conflict.

Let's say someone is setting out IM for a lot more money. Yet there is a fundamental tendency for people who get a lot more money to become more of what they already are. Let's says someone is an alcoholic and has an IM to stop drinking, and also has an IM to make lots more money, these two IM's may cancel each other out, because subconsciously he knows that lots more money will just mean lots more partying.

I think a person has to be ready for their IM if they are not going to mess it up. If you manifest for your soulmate, but you are not doing all that well psychologically, when your soulmate appears, you may not know it, or you may wreck the relationship. The IM for a soulmate may require working through some really tough issues, and in the meantime, while the longed-for soulmate does not appear, there is a lot of disappointment about how LOA and IM do not work.

[Vee]

Originally Posted by RT Wolf

i believe that the accepting stuff is very important to your happiness as well as IM.

Really, though, its not all that complicated, so its like you can cover the same ground over and over again.

I've realized that I have a tendancy to make things more complicated than they need to be.

1. Think/feel what you want.
2. Detach from the outcome.
3. ????
4. Profit!

Number two annoys me - isn't passion needed when you want something? Some LOA books tell me to focus on my goal - cut out pictures, feel it, focus on having it.

If you want an outcome - how can you be ok with it not happening?

[Vee]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Something like this, perhaps?

What books and authors do you read?

[tbushmoney]

yo rtwolf,
was that a south park underpants gnomes reference?



step one. Steal Underpants

step two. ??????

step three. PROFIT!

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Vee

What books and authors do you read?

Lots. Basically I love reading, so I have lots of books on every topic that interests me, not just LOA.

But on LOA and LOA-related stuff, I'd say that these are the top 10 books from which I've learned the most:

1. The Seven Spiritual Laws of Success (Chopra)
2. Self-Hypnosis (Alman and Lambrou)
3. Ask and It is Given (Hicks)
4. The Law of Attraction (Hicks)
5. The Astonishing Power of Your Emotions (Hicks)
6. Think and Grow Rich (Hill)
7. The Master Key System (Haanel)
8. Simple Meditation and Relaxation (Levey)
9. The Silva Mind Control Method (Silva)
10. The Intention Experiment (Mactaggart)

Not all of the above books are directly, or entirely, about LOA. For example, No. 2 is about self-hypnosis, and No. 8 is about meditation, and No. 10. is about a variety of scientific studies related to consciousness.

However, they were all an important part of my personal learning process with LOA.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

I've completely immersed myself in studying IM/LOA over the past four months and have discovered in some ways IM is a trial by fire -- because in order to achieve what I want, I have to work through what's keeping me stuck. And it's hard.

Mmmm. And the other thing is that sometimes, after the working-through process, you realise you don't really want what you thought you wanted.

There are a lot of aspects to all this. We've talked about conflicting desires, for instance. Like if someone wants a fabulous marriage with a certain person, and also wants a fantastic career as Chief of Surgery for a high-powered hospital. But the person he/she wants to marry needs lots of togetherness and consistency in time spent together, dinner together every evening, no disruptions in plans, etc. These two desires conflict.

Let's say someone is setting out IM for a lot more money. Yet there is a fundamental tendency for people who get a lot more money to become more of what they already are. Let's says someone is an alcoholic and has an IM to stop drinking, and also has an IM to make lots more money, these two IM's may cancel each other out, because subconsciously he knows that lots more money will just mean lots more partying.

I think a person has to be ready for their IM if they are not going to mess it up. If you manifest for your soulmate, but you are not doing all that well psychologically, when your soulmate appears, you may not know it, or you may wreck the relationship. The IM for a soulmate may require working through some really tough issues, and in the meantime, while the longed-for soulmate does not appear, there is a lot of disappointment about how LOA and IM do not work.

IMO, it's important to use LOA generally on all aspects of your life. Concentrating on the use of LOA on just one or two aspects (eg career or money) can have the effect of throwing your life unexpectedly out of balance, in ways you didn't quite anticipate. Eg you suddenly get lots of the your desired career opportunities, but as you pursue them, your personal relationships suffer from your lack of attention.

Constantly using LOA on all the different areas of your life helps to keep them in balance. Hence ideally you should be constantly setting intentions concerning all the different areas of your life.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Vee

If you want an outcome - how can you be ok with it not happening?

And that is ... one of the tricky little things you'll just have to learn as you go along ....

[RT Wolf]

moonrambler, replace the word IM or LoA with "life" in your post and read it again.

Vee, I know it sounds tricky. Some threads on the same subject:
A question on detachment

Detachment or Desire?

Especially have a look at CHorpa's Law of Detachment chapter from the book ALG mentioned. Hopefully that'll clear things up.

tbushmoney, I have no idea. I've just seen it around the internetz and it amused me. I dunno the original source.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Mmmm. And the other thing is that sometimes, after the working-through process, you realise you don't really want what you thought you wanted.

And sometimes you realize you do want what you thought you wanted, but had some ideas of what it would take to get there which were making you keep pushing it away on a subconscious level. Then those ideas need to be modified. And that can take some effort, when historically it's been an issue that hasn't been easily resolved.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by RT Wolf

moonrambler, replace the word IM or LoA with "life" in your post and read it again.

"in some ways LIFE is a trial by fire -- because in order to achieve what I want, I have to work through what's keeping me stuck. And it's hard."

Yep. All the work/play with LOA and IM does keep bringing things into greater clarity.

[attracta]

I recommend reading Wallace Wattle's "The Science of Getting Rich," and "Ask and it is Given" by Abraham-Hicks. These books have the answers you are looking for.:-)

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Vee

I came on these boards to find advice on developing my ability to use LOA and co-create my life. But from replies on the board it seems to me this is not possible.

Instead, the threads have themes of accepting life as it is, choosing how to react to situations to empower yourself or changing your perspective to deal with your life. ..

So my question is what is LOA for posters?

Vee, for me the LoA boils down to one simple sentence in "Ask and It is Given" "Deliberately think thoughts that feel good when you think them."

The only thing you can change is yourself and your thoughts, and that's enough to change the entire world. Deliberate thought actually transforms the world you are living in, right now in this moment. Who you are being is what has the world occur for you the way it does. You don't have the power to change me, but you certainly have all the power in the world to change how I am for you in your life, in a very real way. And likewise, how anything and everything else in the world is subject to transformation, inside of the thoughts you have.

So what you want, you already have, do you see? It's not a matter of finding it or figuring it out. It's a matter of waking up in every moment.

Love,
Angela

[Vee]

Originally Posted by Angela

Vee, for me the LoA boils down to one simple sentence in "Ask and It is Given" "Deliberately think thoughts that feel good when you think them."

The only thing you can change is yourself and your thoughts, and that's enough to change the entire world. Deliberate thought actually transforms the world you are living in, right now in this moment. Who you are being is what has the world occur for you the way it does. You don't have the power to change me, but you certainly have all the power in the world to change how I am for you in your life, in a very real way. And likewise, how anything and everything else in the world is subject to transformation, inside of the thoughts you have.

So what you want, you already have, do you see? It's not a matter of finding it or figuring it out. It's a matter of waking up in every moment.

Love,
Angela

Thanks Angela,

This is what i am going to do. I've tried using LOA and co-creating but it is not working for me at the moment - it may or may not be true - but it's not a goal for me anymore.

i understand and accept the concept of changing my thoughts more. I know I can CHOOSE to feel happy or sad about a situation even if i can't control the situation. It's hard but it's the only thing i have absolute control of in this world.

I am going to try this everyday - monitoring my thoughts and making sure they are positive despite the circumstance i find myself in and see what the positive energy does for me!

Thanks for your help everyone - i'll let you know how it goes xx

[Jennihul]

I love how LOA works in my life. I know there is a whole flock of people here who like to repeatedly harp on their negative experiences and the reason why it seems to dominate the conversation here is true LOA fans and users KNOW that bragging and discussing their successes leaves them open for negative vibes from people who judge them. Even friends and family do it. So we smartly keep our successes close to the cuff.

It only takes a little while to learn how important this aspect is.

For example, I ignored this aspect recently when I bragged about a small LOA success I had on another forum. I was considering buying my husband a DVD changer for his obsessive media component habit. But I hesitated for several reasons. Instead, I decided to manifest one. Great price, perfect model, etc.

A week later, while perusing one of his home theatre forums, he found a man selling off all his products and my husband got the changer for FIFTY BUCKS. Brand new. I couldn't contain my manifesting excitement so I bragged about it online. Well, the man packed it in a large box with only packing peanuts and it was destroyed when it arrived. We may or may not get a replacement from insurance.

So my desire came true, but I believe it was destroyed because I bragged and people sent bad vibes about it.

So don't look for too many LOA success stories here.

Jennifer

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Vee

i understand and accept the concept of changing my thoughts more. I know I can CHOOSE to feel happy or sad about a situation even if i can't control the situation.

And what is the situation?

Other than what you think it is?

Can any situation ever be anything other than what you think it is?

Next step - explore your current capacity to think differently about that situation.

You don't have to think thoughts which are different in a way which are sharply out of line with your idea of how "reality" works.

You can go a very long way, just by thinking thoughts which are different in a way which are still consistent with your idea of how "reality" works, but in a more positive way.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by attracta

I recommend reading Wallace Wattle's "The Science of Getting Rich," and "Ask and it is Given" by Abraham-Hicks. These books have the answers you are looking for.:-)

I'm not so sure they have the actual 'answers' -- well, I have not looked at Wattle's book. The other, again, for me at least, is still in the clarifying stage. It shines a light on what's going on with me, and some stuff I have to get a handle on.

For instance, some money processes. The one about carrying around a $100 bill in your wallet so that you feel abundant. This process shines a light to me that I not only have had trouble attracting money, but when I do, it magically disappears. On Monday this past week, I had a bunch of money in my checking account and that made me feel abundant all day long. I was traveling around and really feeling abundant and that it was ok to spend some money. The next day my checking account was so significantly lower, I just sat there going, what happened to all the abundance?

And part of all this is denial. The process about creating an imaginary checking account and depositing money in it and spending it. I started that this morning. The first thing I want to do is clear up some bills. I actually got a stomachache from having to go look at actual bills to pay with that first $1,000 imaginary deposit. Even though I knew I would have a $2,000 imaginary deposit tomorrow -- this game set off all sorts of stress and physical reactions.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by Jennihul

I love how LOA works in my life. I know there is a whole flock of people here who like to repeatedly harp on their negative experiences and the reason why it seems to dominate the conversation here is true LOA fans and users KNOW that bragging and discussing their successes leaves them open for negative vibes from people who judge them. Even friends and family do it. So we smartly keep our successes close to the cuff.

It only takes a little while to learn how important this aspect is.

For example, I ignored this aspect recently when I bragged about a small LOA success I had on another forum. I was considering buying my husband a DVD changer for his obsessive media component habit. But I hesitated for several reasons. Instead, I decided to manifest one. Great price, perfect model, etc.

A week later, while perusing one of his home theatre forums, he found a man selling off all his products and my husband got the changer for FIFTY BUCKS. Brand new. I couldn't contain my manifesting excitement so I bragged about it online. Well, the man packed it in a large box with only packing peanuts and it was destroyed when it arrived. We may or may not get a replacement from insurance.

So my desire came true, but I believe it was destroyed because I bragged and people sent bad vibes about it.

So don't look for too many LOA success stories here.

Jennifer

This really is a shame. I can understand where you're coming from, but wouldn't it be something if the success stories started completely outweighing the non-success ones?

I don't know how it works with these sorts of LoA events, but I've found that when I tell people my coincidence/synchronicity stories, it seems to generate even more synchronicities. I have so much of this that I even discount a lot of the ones that seem 'common' to me, because I don't want to be reaching too hard. And I probably shouldn't do that. For instance, this week I had to go to a funeral. A dear friend's dad had passed away, and these people are like my second family. I really liked this old guy. It was about a 100-mile round trip. On the way down on the Interstate, I passed a flat-bed and glanced at the side, and it was a truck from the company this man had worked for, for 40 years. I thought -- well, that was inevitable! Then I also heard on the radio the song "Take Me to the River," which I always associate with him because he loved his Billy The Bass singing fish.

Later I was telling another friend about this, and I finished up with, ". . . but I hear that song often enough that I don't know if I should count it." He demands, "How often do you hear that song?" I said, "Oh, a couple times a year." He goes, "You only hear the song a couple times a year, and you don't think it's significant that you heard it on the way to the funeral?"

More lessons learned!

[Jennihul]

I think it's a shame that the LOA naysayers who helped destroy my DVD changer (they know who they are) don't believe in their power.

It could really be used to change their lives, but...they'd rather be skeptics.

Jennifer