Jane Roberts and seth, i'm very skeptical

[Landi Star]

Whether the Seth and Abe-Hicks materials are all authentically channeled or not doesn’t concern me. I like to suspend judgment and skepticism and just go by whether I resonate with the material. If I do (as I have with the Seth and Abraham stuff), then, I feel: why not go along with the author’s claim of their ‘channeling experience’?
Why think it’s false when we can’t be sure?

These are deeply transformative materials and I sense that they probably have had even more of an impact on me because of my believing that they come from ‘higher beings’ who have a ‘higher view’ than us world-bound thinkers.

There’s no way to prove or disprove this, so I may as well believe if that belief seems to heighten the experience and impact of the material!

[cylon]

If you spend all your time internally debating whether channeling is real or not, you're not going to have much time to listen to the message. I really don't know if Abraham is channeled, it doesn't matter to me as much as it did when I first learned about "them", because the message is true (for me). Channeling may be marketing, it may be real, no one is going to know for sure ever so might as well see if the message rings true.

What I find interesting is the amount of people who need to point out they don't believe in channeling. They need the permission to explore the world from others.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by cylon

They need the permission to explore the world from others.

Yes, a lot of people are afraid of the "unknown"..

But it's the transition that were going through that has to remove fear of the unknown.. wouldn't it be nice if we could all wash our hands of fear in this limited physical reality and just allow and let go??

[Cantando]

I have explored many of these beliefs and practices for nigh on 40 years now. I was hypnotizing people and using the ouija board when I was 17 (when many of you were still in your nappies, or just a glint in your grandfather's eye ).

I have experienced channelling at first hand. Yes, it was fascinating at the time. It 'resonated' with me. But, then what? Nothing - just vacuous, empty nonsense.

If one looks at these things with one's eye open, taking in the wider context, one may come to understand the provenance of such things.

I quite understand, in this quick-fix, 5 second attention span, current age, that many just want to feel good right now, and find what 'resonates' with them. 'I am God' - wow, fantastic! 'I create my own reality' - wow, incredible! Gimme more.

But, to me, that is a limited, blinkered view. It's not all about feeling 'good' right now, and what 'resonates' with you.

Some of us bandy around another term - being 'tranfsormed', like some magical spaceship is going to come down one day and whisk us all away to some wonderful, heavenly place reserved for the elite manipulators of energy. It's so easy to be taken in.

I'm sorry, but it's just wishful thinking. It ain't gonna happen.

At one end of this fantasy spectrum, we have the timid, shrinking violets, who hide within a fluffy world of 'all is love', or whatever. At the other end, we have the more macho, fascistic, starship troopers who are going to 'transform' the world and make it part of some inter-galactic, trekky empire.

I would go so far as to say that it reflects an almost pathological inability to face up to the stark reality of life - that you will grow old (if you're lucky), endure pain, then die, as will all your loved ones. Get used to it (if you have the courage).

Please, don't take the above too seriously or personally, or feel offended. After all, it's just words being interpreted within your subjective reality.

The above was channelled by Glob, a multifarious, multi-pack (buy 1, get 6 free) nonentity from the 45th dimension (who loves us all soooooooo much, that it just makes me want to cry!).


'When you are lost in the desert, don't take the hump' - Mustafa Kamel Attaboy (1638 - 1519), Selected Writings.

[Acting Like Godot]

Don't listen to Cantando, he is a dangerous old man.

Personally, I would NOT even try channelling. I have enough challenges with my own consciousness as it is, never mind an extra consciousness coming to sit on top of mine.

HOWEVER, reading a book about channelled teachings is quite different from attempting channelling yourself.

Cantando's personal experiences with channelling led to "empty, vacuous nonsense". Well I have no time for empty, vacuous nonsense - whether it comes out of a channeller's mouth, or appears in print form in a book.

I only read books which I feel are sensible, practical and useful to me. It just so happens that the Abraham books fall into that category (for me).

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Don't listen to Cantando, he is a dangerous old man.

Greetings, oh one who calls himself 'Acting Like Godot'!

It is my privilege to speak with you, in your earth time called May 15th, through this pathetic vessel called man (and will someone tell him to take a shower, for god's sake!).

I come by many names. Some know me as Cantando, others know me as Walter. We are many! The names are not important.

You are blessed. We have so much to tell you.

Sh*t ... here comes the wife, must dash!

[themaster]

It's nice to read a skeptical well written viewpoint once in a while.. still you do sound like a failed new ager "nerd" (yes, I'm making a generalization or maybe judgment of a assumed type of person known to inhabit this physical reality model) who goddite was pointing out politely created his own skepticism..

There is much "new age" knowledge I have yet to personally test.. but I'll give you a sample of ideas from the material provided
- build a time space generator (cheap and free power.. if only someone would build it? )
- bend spoons
- multiple reality test (I have yet to find this test.. lost it)
- aliens and a lot of other crap I don't care that much about..
- future predictions.. (not a guaranteed certainty in any reality)

I too used to experiment with hypnosis in my youth (much earlier then you) what a coincidence (and thanks for a reminder )

Your version of reality sounds very limited though.. how unfortunate for you..

[Acting Like Godot]

See what I mean by "empty, vacuous nonsense"?

Originally Posted by Cantando

Greetings, oh one who calls himself 'Acting Like Godot'!

It is my privilege to speak with you, in your earth time called May 15th, through this pathetic vessel called man (and will someone tell him to take a shower, for god's sake!).

I come by many names. Some know me as Cantando, others know me as Walter. We are many! The names are not important.

You are blessed. We have so much to tell you.

Sh*t ... here comes the wife, must dash!

But suppose Cantando was not spouting empty, vacuous nonsense. Suppose he was instead saying things which struck me as compelling, useful, wise, practical, positive.

Then it would not matter to me, you see, whether Cantando is an old man or a spirit or a ghost or whatever. His message would be good for me and so I would pay serious attention to him.

Alas, at the moment, Cantando is spouting empty, vacuous nonsense. So even if he were speaking to me through an Oujia board, I'd say: "Go away, Cantando, I have no time for empty vacuous nonsense."

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

See what I mean by "empty, vacuous nonsense"?

But suppose Cantando was not spouting empty, vacuous nonsense. Suppose he was instead saying things which struck me as compelling, useful, wise, practical, positive.

Then it would not matter to me, you see, whether Cantando is an old man or a spirit or a ghost or whatever. His message would be good for me and so I would pay serious attention to him.

Alas, at the moment, Cantando is spouting empty, vacuous nonsense. So even if he were speaking to me through an Oujia board, I'd say: "Go away, Cantando, I have no time for empty vacuous nonsense."

As I mentioned before, if you and others are already pretty smart, you take what you consider to be useful for you in expanding your concept of 'personal development'.

I suppose playing around the periphery of these things doesn't do much harm.

However, many others do get drawn in deeper, to the level where the teaching begins to take on a somewhat sinister, cultish and brainwashing aspect. If you search the net, you will discover stories of spouses getting heavily involved with LoA and totally alienating their partners. It actually sounds very similar to Scientology (which I was heavily into in the 70s).

But, yes, OK, on these forums, most members seem clued up enough to know what's beneficial/non-beneficial for them.

I know you put a lot of stock in LoA and link it up to previous teachings and beliefs, but, for me, that whole body of teachings/belief systems(witchcraft, paganism, astrology, spiritualism, theosophy, pantheism, etc), forms in effect, the grand deception, the great lie. It is what keeps us struggling on earth in desperation, lost and without true purpose. It is turning one's back on the one, true, living God and saying, 'I can do this on my own. I know about energy, I can manipulate it. I can create my own heaven, I don't need God; in fact, I am God'.

This is the ongoing story since time immemorial and it keeps us on the dwindling spiral, going round and round, down and down, to nowhere.

It's a bit like being offered a fake painting, and being told it's an original Da Vinci. It certanly looks like the real thing. The salesman flatters you and says what a great guy you are and what wonderful kids you have. You mortgage your house and farm to pay for it. Eventually, you take it to an art dealer to have it valued. He finds a flaw in it, which proves it is a fake (the 0.1% untruth), but you don't believe him. You've gone too far down the road to admit it.

But, it's your life, your choices. Please, do carry on building your house of cards, and sorry for being an irritation and interrupting that process!

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Cantando

It is turning one's back on the one, true, living God

I think you just dissed: (1) Buddhism, (2) Hinduism and (3) every other religion that has more than one God.

Well, if that makes you feel very clever and wise, go ahead.

[marinik]

Originally Posted by Cantando

As I mentioned before, if you and others are already pretty smart, you take what you consider to be useful for you in expanding your concept of 'personal development'.

But, it's your life, your choices. Please, do carry on building your house of cards, and sorry for being an irritation and interrupting that process!

Thanks for your posts, love a skeptic now and then, but please explain what are you doing on this forum that is called very precisely INTENTION MANIFESTATION???? I mean.. if you have outgrown the whole thing.... and are content it odes not work why be a lurker around here?

[themaster]

You remind me of my mom.. tried to convince here there was no hell the other day.. and that you didn't have to repent your sins.. ahh well

It is as I said you have a limited outlook on life.. and once again I offer you a chance to open up to unlimited potential.. just cause new age has failed you before doesn't mean at any time you can't rush right in with excitement and joy rather than going on and on with tired old writings.. of a warn and ware practice of I learned this in my life.. don't make your house in the sand.. cause then a reality bully will come along and kick your sand castle down rather than your wishy-washy hippy dreams of having it harden as steel.. (where the f*ck do I come up with this stuff )

Please don't misget me.. I don't run around saying let's be happy for happiness sake.. but really can you not read in your own statement just as I have pointed out to you.. defeatism, lack, negativity, giving up, hopelessness?

Need I go on.. I hope Cantando you can join the rest of us in experiencing the world that is you and I in the full on positive rather than limitation.. (and don't forget limitation can be fun )

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by marinik

Thanks for your posts, love a skeptic now and then, but please explain what are you doing on this forum that is called very precisely INTENTION MANIFESTATION???? I mean.. if you have outgrown the whole thing.... and are content it odes not work why be a lurker around here?

Just trying to keep to the OP, I suppose (which probably should have been under Psychic). Yes, I am a rather persistent, chronic lurker. Aren't you?

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

I think you just dissed: (1) Buddhism, (2) Hinduism and (3) every other religion that has more than one God.

Well, if that makes you feel very clever and wise, go ahead.

What does 'dissed' mean?

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by themaster

You remind me of my mom.. tried to convince here there was no hell the other day.. and that you didn't have to repent your sins.. ahh well

I like that. I take that as a compliment. Mother knows best!

[marinik]

Originally Posted by Cantando

Just trying to keep to the OP, I suppose (which probably should have been under Psychic). Yes, I am a rather persistent, chronic lurker. Aren't you?

Nope! having a lot of fun! Loving life and enjoying smart people without so much bitterness as you! And I think I am older than you! So join the fun or go to your corner and be... what ever makes you feel the way you feel.... As far as I can tell all of us ALL OF US do what we do to make us feel good! in any way we know how... we all choose different models! And that is totally legitimate! You chose yours! Deal with it!

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by marinik

Nope! having a lot of fun! Loving life and enjoying smart people without so much bitterness as you! And I think I am older than you! So join the fun or go to your corner and be... what ever makes you feel the way you feel.... As far as I can tell all of us ALL OF US do what we do to make us feel good! in any way we know how... we all choose different models! And that is totally legitimate! You chose yours! Deal with it!

Are we human, or are we ....

da..

YouTube - The Killers - Human.

[joelr]

Originally Posted by Cantando

I'm sorry, but it's just wishful thinking. It ain't gonna happen.

Putting down new age ideas because they are unlikely to be the correct model of reality is fair enough.


But coming from someone who thinks Seth is Dracula??

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by joelr

But coming from someone who thinks Seth is Dracula??

As an analogy, I think it works rather well.

If one invites an entity into one's psyche (wittingly or unwittingly) such that it eclipses one's own consciousness, leaving one feeling physically and spiritually drained, then, yes, we are talking about a form of psychic vampirism.

A discarnate entity which is still earthbound will continue to desire to experience the physical and will attempt to take up residence in someone's consciousness, by fair means or foul, in order to feed off that person's energy.

If you think that is nonsense, then check back on some of Erin's posts, and from others, which are fairly typical, for example, under Psychic & Paranormal:

13/5/09 by Omarose:
help
There has been alot of negative energy directed towards me. It was when i started dealing with dark dark one (some known as demons), but i didn't know it at the time. and now i cant get rid of them. is it possible to block my third eye so that i can't see them anymore. all they want to do is cause me grief by frightening me to where it effects my sleep daily.

11/5/09 by Sups:
help needed
Hi,
I have been trying to contact my guide or angel since quite some time now.
Every time i sit down to meditate and then try to converse( well it is a monologue) with my spirit guides) my baby 6 months old begins to cry.
finally i tried out automatic writing. calling upon my spirit guide. well i couldnt really get sentences but bit of words which werent reall meaningful to me. but that day was terrrible both my children began to cry out loud ...i asked them and they didnt have a reason and my elder child said she wanted me close to her she was getting scared. and that night just before i fell asleep i felt a male figure next to me pulling off my sheet. and heard something as if the radio was on and the commentator was commenting on a natural catastrophe. i was terrifiyed by the incident couldnt sleep for a whole week immediately stopped the meditation etc.
what do you think of this incident? was it someone bad ? would that someone want to harm my family?
please all your thoughts will help me.

[Acting Like Godot]

I believe that there are "bad" non-physical entities out there, as well as "good" ones, as well as non-physical entities which are neither particularly "good" or "bad".

Essentially, it's approximately the same as the human beings you might meet at work, or within your own family, or in your neighbourhood, or at the supermarket.

In dealing with any entities (physical or not), you need to exercise some judgment and common sense.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Essentially, it's approximately the same as the human beings you might meet at work, or within your own family, or in your neighbourhood, or at the supermarket.

In dealing with any entities (physical or not), you need to exercise some judgment and common sense.

Totally agree, but there's a big difference between inviting someone in a white robe, sandals and penetrating eyes home for tea for a chat, and having them take possession of your consciousness for extended periods of time every day (whether they are believed to be 'good' or not). Doesn't seem natural to me, somehow.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

In dealing with any entities (physical or not), you need to exercise some judgment and common sense.

Or to say this a different way.. only go with material/information you resonate with..

Originally Posted by Cantando

Totally agree, but there's a big difference between inviting someone in a white robe, sandals and penetrating eyes home for tea for a chat, and having them take possession of your consciousness for extended periods of time every day (whether they are believed to be 'good' or not). Doesn't seem natural to me, somehow.

This is your belief..

There is a big difference between living a life of fear and not living a life of fear.. most of us cower in the dark thanks to beliefs..

And now bible boy.. the big question..

What's the difference between sitting in room with a robed figure who access theoretically outside information.. and reading the bible that is over 2000 years old re-written by HUMANS that channeled information from god or supposedly wrote about jesus 75 years after he died..??

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by themaster

And now bible boy.. the big question..

What's the difference between sitting in room with a robed figure who access theoretically outside information.. and reading the bible that is over 2000 years old re-written by HUMANS that channeled information from god or supposedly wrote about jesus 75 years after he died..??

It may very well be a big question for you - as only you can decide what to go with: the truth or the lies. How do you discern that?

The four Gospels, Acts, St Peter's and Paul's letters were not channeled. They were inspired by the Holy Spirit - big difference. They were written by actual witnesses, or by people very close to the witnesses, of Christ's death and resurrection.

All channeling is either:

1) Of Satanic origin

or

2) A product of the imagination and self-delusion.

You should have listened to your mother!

Beam me up, Scottie!

[Acting Like Godot]

Actually the Bible contains numerous examples and references to channelling.
For example, in:

Mark 16:17
Acts 10:46
Acts 19:6
1 Cor 14
Romans 8:26
Jude 21.
1 Cor 14:39
1 Cor 14:5
1 Cor 14:18
1 Cor 12:29
1 Cor 14:23, 27
1 Cor 14:2
1 Cor 14:4
1 Cor 14:14
1 Cor 14:16-17
1 Cor 14:5
Acts 2:17
Acts 2:38-39
1 Cor 12:30
Acts 19:2).
1 Cor 14:5,13
Isaiah 28:11

Actually, church history up to today has plenty of channelling. Go to your nearest charismatic church on a weekend and see for yourself. Nothing particularly unusual. Nor is it a phenomenon particularly unique to Christianity.

[joelr]

Originally Posted by Cantando

If you think that is nonsense, then check back on some of Erin's posts, and from others, which are fairly typical, for example, under Psychic & Paranormal:
[/I]

Dude I don't believe in vampires and evil spirits and monsters. Even though many internet forums may have material that conflicts with my belief, I'm just gonna have to keep the faith.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by joelr

Even though many internet forums may have material that conflicts with my belief, I'm just gonna have to keep the faith.

Exactly. That's what the forum is all about - sharing/expressing/disputing each others views/beliefs/opinions.

There are plenty of other forums where everyone subscribes to, and agrees on, the same subject. That's why I like this particular one - Steve allows for a diverse mix of (often diametrically opposed) views and beliefs to be discussed.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Actually the Bible contains numerous examples and references to channelling.
For example, in:

Mark 16:17
Acts 10:46
Acts 19:6
1 Cor 14
Romans 8:26
Jude 21.
1 Cor 14:39
1 Cor 14:5
1 Cor 14:18
1 Cor 12:29
1 Cor 14:23, 27
1 Cor 14:2
1 Cor 14:4
1 Cor 14:14
1 Cor 14:16-17
1 Cor 14:5
Acts 2:17
Acts 2:38-39
1 Cor 12:30
Acts 19:2).
1 Cor 14:5,13
Isaiah 28:11

Actually, church history up to today has plenty of channelling. Go to your nearest charismatic church on a weekend and see for yourself. Nothing particularly unusual. Nor is it a phenomenon particularly unique to Christianity.

Thanks, ALG. That looks like a hefty, homework assignment, going through that list! I'll have a look at some of them, when I have time.

And, you're right, of course, about channelling in those charismatic churches, invoking the names of Jesus, the Holy Spirit, falling over backwards, etc. It's a joke (and a rather bad one). Benny Hinn, Morris Cerullo, etc - not my cup of tea, I'm afraid.

Actually, I think they are lot more more dangerous than the new-agey channellers, since they pretend to be true Christians and to be doing God's will.

[Acting Like Godot]

Right .... So now the interesting questions to ask are:

(a) why are you so sure that they're all fake;

(b) do you consider Biblical channellers such as, say, Saint Paul, also to be fakes; and

(c) if not, what is your rationale for considering all modern-day channellers to be fakes, but all the ancient Biblical channellers to be genuine.

Other interesting questions are:

(1) Do you consider God to be able to communicate with human beings, through their minds;

(2) if so, do you consider God as being able to speak through one human being, to other human beings; and

(3) if your answer to the above 2 questions is "yes", do you not think that it is very UNLIKELY that nowhere in the world today, God is doing (2)?

To me, if God exists, it seems illogical to me to think that God could NOT do (2) (if He wanted to), and yet at the same time to think all sort of lesser entities (including the evil ones you have alluded to) COULD do (2).

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Right .... So now the interesting questions to ask are:
(a) why are you so sure that they're all fake;

God revealed the true Gospel through Christ, once and for all. That is the living word. There are no new, extra, correctional, or valid messages, least of all, from other fake Christs (such as the channeled one in 'A Course in Miracles')

(b) do you consider Biblical channellers such as, say, Saint Paul, also to be fakes;

St Paul was not a channeller.

(c) if not, what is your rationale for considering all modern-day channellers to be fakes, but all the ancient Biblical channellers to be genuine.

God inspired the Gospel writers through the Holy Spirit. That is not channelling. My knowledge of the Old Testament is not that good. Why do you believe there were channellers in the Bible?

If, whatever entity is being channelled does not worship the one true, living God and believe in his only begotten son, Jesus Christ, then that entity is either an illusion or comes from Old Nick's stable. To date, I have never heard of a channelled entity that said it believed in God and the Christ as announced in the Gospels.

Other interesting questions are:

(1) Do you consider God to be able to communicate with human beings, through their minds;

Probably not; he speaks to the heart.

(2) if so, do you consider God as being able to speak through one human being, to other human beings;

N/A

(3) if your answer to the above 2 questions is "yes", do you not think that it is very UNLIKELY that nowhere in the world today, God is doing (2)?

N/A

I believe there are good spirits, for example one's Guardian Angel, but they cannot be channelled in the usual sense of the word. God cannot be channelled.

Some online definitions of channelling:

The act or practice of serving as a medium through which a spirit guide purportedly communicates with living persons.

esp. in some New Age beliefs, the process by which a person becomes a conduit for a deceased person, as someone from an ancient culture, who imparts information about a previous life.

The practice of professedly entering a meditative or trancelike state in order to convey messages from a spiritual guide.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Cantando

God revealed the true Gospel through Christ, once and for all.

Really.

Tell me then about all these prophets in the Bible -

Isaiah, Jeremiah, Elijah, Daniel, John, Moses etc etc.

Who gave them their messages? The devil?

There are no new, extra, correctional, or valid messages

Why? Where is it written in the Bible that after Jesus, God will cease all communication with human beings on earth?

St Paul was not a channeller.

It's in your homework list I gave you. Saint Paul repeatedly alludes to the phenomenon. Corinthians:


1. Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.

2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

5 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
7 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?

8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?

9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.

10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.

11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.

12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?

17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.

18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.

21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:

25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.

31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
40 Let all things be done decently and in order.