Visualisation-- why does it work opposite?

[Floridagal]

I have noticed over a course of years that when I try visualize somthing it turns complete opposite. When you visualize somthing postive and pleasant and I do not mean something extra ordinary or way to difficult to get (lets say a jack pot in Vegas) it is taking place very differently when the event occurs and I am not sure why...

Examples are simple.

I flew to see a friend and she was suppose to pick me up at the airport. I visualized how I meet her near a baggage claim and we greet and hug each other. When I landed and turned the phone on I got a message that she had an unexpected problem with a car and wanted me to take a cab from the airport.

Another one. I woke up on Saturday and visualized that after running errands I would go on a beach. After I got home my lock broke and it was a huge problem in getting to a house.



As soon as I actually go beyond just briefly thinking about something and get a relatively prolonged image or images things take place in a quite different way.

Any possible explanations?

[cylon]

Originally Posted by Floridagal

As soon as I actually go beyond just briefly thinking about something and get a relatively prolonged image or images things take place in a quite different way.

You may want to re-read your question because it's also the answer.

[Floridagal]

I am not sure however why they take place in an opposite way and what will cause it. This is pretty much my question.

We all talk that positive visualisation os very important from several different perspectives and is actually one of the key tools in manifesting, attarcting, creating.

[cylon]

It's because you expect them to be the opposite of what you are intending. You don't expect your visualizations or intentions to come true. From a LOA perspective you are manifesting the experience of getting the opposite of what you want.

You have to actually believe you're going to get what you want... yet you have this fundamental underlying belief that you'll get the opposite of that. You're sabatoging yourself. You can't EXPECT it to go wrong beforehand!

It's one thing to have doubts... but you aren't doubting. You're CONVINCED that what you're doing isn't going to work. Your belief in the opposite of what you want is extremely strong. You need to flip it around now.

[Floridagal]

To Mr. Cylon. I actually see your point very clearly but I guess I need to go on a little bit deeper level. I was first introduced to concepts of manifesting, LOA, visualizations about 4 years go or so. Before that I pretty much didn't have any knowledge on that and no interest in the subject.

About 5.5 years ago I have graduated from college and moved to SC (I am in FL now). I have visualized in a a very positive way my life in SC that turned out quite oppoiste. I simply didn't have any expecations in terms of visualizations otcomes because I simply have not had any knowledge in that department. I did visualisations in a postive way but I guess couldn't really link it to LOA, manifesting, creating at that point.. Of course I was not in college any more, I got a job, bought a new car. It was a new page of my life and I was exited........


I much later figured out that those opposites were taking place even if I have never analysed them at that time and simply was not thinking and did not know anything about LOA and etc....


Another example. Back in summer 2006 I have dated a guy and he invited me to visit his military base because he had 5 day training there. I was absoultely exited. Before we were planning my visit I went ou of town for business (Washington DC). I have left my house and car keys fom a company from TX who wanted to visit FL and enjoy a beach and stay with me. I told them that they can use my car while I am in DC but when I come back from I will need it because I will go to my BF's base and they need to make renal car arrangements. They have done it and it was understandable....

Well, apparently when I came back from DC the trip to the base got cancelled for the reasons on his part...

[cylon]

Well, LOA is always working, and what we expect is what shows up in our lives. At this point you are expecting things to not work out and that's exactly what you're getting. I don't think you have some sort of "curse" that makes it so that you're the ONLY person who can't get what they want.

You're taking it too seriously. It's supposed to be fun and make your life better. You can use it to enhance your life. But we all have issues and things that block our allowing of abundance, no matter if you know what LOA is or don't... people get in their own way. I sure as hell know I've done it.

You're taking it too seriously. If it's not making you happy then leave it alone for awhile until you are happier and in a better place to explore it again.

[jeff3]

If you want to know what your asking for , just look at what you are getting.

There could be a negative belief in there somewhere. If, for instance, you had the belief "I never get what I want", or "things never go my way" , then when you begin visualizing and doing IM techniques for things you want or the way you want things to go you are essentially assuring that things go differently.

which of these statements seems more true to you?
1. I always get what I want
2. I usually get what I want
3. I never get what I want
4. I very seldom get what I want
5. Things always go my way
6. Sometimes things go my way
7. Usually things don't go my way
8. Things never go my way

The ones that seem more true, and you say "yeah, that's me", will reveal your deeply held beliefs. It may not be what you want to believe, but chances are, these negative beliefs are operating transparently in your life and they reaffirm themselves every time you observe their results.

This is something I've discovered in my own life, except I frequently get what I want, then lose it . In my case, I think this is the result of a difficult loss I experienced when I was a teenager and did not deal with it constructively. I internalized the experience with a lot of pain and emotion and have yet to work past it . In this thread recurrent dreams of things being stolen I shared what has been going on recently that brought this to the surface.

The thing to keep in mind is that if you wish to get to the treasure you may have to go through some obstacles, the key is to keep going.

[Floridagal]

To Jeff defintely #6. I am seeing a therapistfor the last 8 months. he is very esperinced but simply doesn't see any major flaws in my thinking and actions...he also doesn't see blocks consious or uncounsious.....

but I am not sure on visualization and LOA in this example....

[Anagogy]

Floridagal, there is an easy way to tell if your thoughts are achieving your true desires. How do you feel? All pain exists for a reason. It is an invaluable teaching mechanism built into the core makeup of your Spiritual Self. When you feel pain of ANY sort -- whether it be physical, mental, spiritual, emotional, or any way you want to categorize or define it -- it means you are doing something wrong.

It feels unpleasant for a very specific reason; so that you know it leads to an undesirable experience. So pay very close attention to how you are feeling. You could go through the arduous tasks of extreme mental discipline, paying rigorous conscious attention to every little detail. OR....you could just pay attention to your emotions. If you can alter your thoughts so that they feel good when you think them, and balance that mental component with calm unshakeable trust, you will have arrived. Always remember, if you feel frustrated, the law of attraction can only bring you more of that. The outer world is a mere reflection of the inner.

You may be thinking thoughts that feel good in your visualizations, but then after the visualization be entertaining pessimistic thoughts, which negate the visualization. You have to make the positive vibration your dominant focus. The more you practice that vibration, the more you can actually feel how close it is to manifesting. You will feel an inevitability that things are going to happen a certain way, rather than worried anticipation that they won't. You only actually feel two emotions -- one feels good, and the other feels bad.

[Jack]

Floridagal,does your therapist talk about LoA?Which type of therapy does he/she apply?

I want to ask about my two experiences.One of them was,my dog.I wrote it in this forum in last days of 2006,some people may remember.
After my mother said that she saw that my dog get stabbed and died in her dream,i got shocked and frightened alot,too much.Then start affirming"my dog is very healthy,he is always healthy".I can't say that i was in a relaxed condition while affirming.My first questions is,is being in a relaxed condition important in manifesting?

Then quickly I looked at internet for the dream's meaning.(i get very excited again while i am writing these lines now)Getting stabbed means physical injury,and death means death.I was very worried,and keep affirming that my dog is very healthy.What happened next day?My dog was at a dog farm,and they phoned us,and said that our dog is unable to move his legs. And said that they took him to the veterinary(that veterinary was the owner of that farm)The veterinary started tick infection treatment,he believed that my dog had tick infection.I was trying my best for being positive,and i was visualising that he was walking good,also affirmed it too"My dog is very healthy and walking normally".My father asked to my old veterinary(we were staying in a different city) if there is a good veteriner who he can recommend.He recommended someone at a dog hospital.

But i didn't want to take my dog to that hospital cause i was trusting the veterinary who was doing the treatment.I was trying my best at being positive,trying to believe that this veterinary will heal my dog.But sometimes,for example,while i was listening to a song and if it was about death or has negative lyrics for example,i was thinking like "this may cause a bad event about my dog,so i should not listen this song".And when the telephone rings,a sudden fear was starting to fill me fully.

I was not thinking that my dog may die consciously,but maybe it was unconsciously.I affirmed,wrote,visualized too many times that my dog is very health and walking normally.Almost everyday i was going to the veterinary and was fondling my dog,and was saying him "i love you" repeatedly too many times,and while i was fondling him,i was visualizing that he was walking.

Then one day my mother wanted to take him to the hospital ,and i accepted,and the doctor in dog hospital said that my dog looks like having a waist rupture.He asked us if we allow them to diagnose with pin,because it was risky,he might not be able to walk again.The diagnose would be done after a week,and he was staying at the other veterinary.That veterinary stopped tick treatment cause the doctor in hospital said that he has waist rupture.But before diagnosing with pin,he died and we don't know why he died.The day when he died,he was moving slow,but the veterinary didn't think that he has a discomfort,but that day he died after we left and the veterinary left too.

At the end i am very unhappy cause i didn't take him to the dog hospital before(seems like he had a wrong treatment cause of that ignorant veterinary) and also cause i had fear about him,especially in the days which my mother saw the dream,i think like i caused my dog to get injury cause of my fear But still,why my visualizations about my dog didn't work?I did too many,but did my fear block them?

Also i want to give another example.When i affirm somehing like "4 million dollars is coming to us",in the following days i hear that one of our relatives have debt and cause he doesn't have money his father(but cause his father doesn't have enough money)my mother starts crying and my father have to pay this stupid man's debts .

Why did my these affirmations,visualizations worked opposite?
Also while affirming,visualizing,should i have a relaxed awareness,be in a relaxed condition?

[Amanda Norris]

Originally Posted by Jack

After my mother said that she saw that my dog get stabbed and died in her dream,i got shocked and frightened alot,too much.Then start affirming"my dog is very healthy,he is always healthy".I can't say that i was in a relaxed condition while affirming.My first questions is,is being in a relaxed condition important in manifesting?

Why did my these affirmations,visualizations worked opposite?
Also while affirming,visualizing,should i have a relaxed awareness,be in a relaxed condition?

It doesn't matter what you say or what images you visualize. What matters is your intention. Yes, of course you should be in a relaxed condition. Why did you start affirming "my dog is healthy" after you heard about your Mother's dream? Because you were afraid that your dog wouldn't be healthy. Every time you did that affirmation it was because you were afraid for your dog's health. Even though you said the words "my dog is healthy" your intention was "I'm afraid that my dog won't be healthy". LoA isn't about making your affirmations or visualizations come true, it is simply a Law of the Universe that your reality lines up to match your intentions.
Hope this helps. I'm certainly no LoA expert. This is just my opinion.

[Jack]

Originally Posted by Amanda Norris

Why did you start affirming "my dog is healthy" after you heard about your Mother's dream?

Thanks for your answer.
I forgot to add that,i was believing that dreams come true if the person doesn't change his/her thoughts(i read it on somewhere),so i tried to change my thoughts-beliefs about my dog and that's why i started affirmation.

[jeff3]

I don't know how old the dog was or what kind of health it was in, but, maybe the dream occurred to help soften the blow of something beyond your control. I have had a few dreams about events that were sad or difficult and have learned to exercise caution in case it's a warning but be open to the possibility that the preview was to help prepare me for the outcome. Sorry for your loss.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by Jack

I was not thinking that my dog may die consciously,but maybe it was unconsciously.I affirmed,wrote,visualized too many times that my dog is very health and walking normally.Almost everyday i was going to the veterinary and was fondling my dog,and was saying him "i love you" repeatedly too many times,and while i was fondling him,i was visualizing that he was walking. . . .

At the end i am very unhappy cause i didn't take him to the dog hospital before(seems like he had a wrong treatment cause of that ignorant veterinary) and also cause i had fear about him,especially in the days which my mother saw the dream,i think like i caused my dog to get injury cause of my fear But still,why my visualizations about my dog didn't work?I did too many,but did my fear block them?

You do not have the power to cause injury to your dog because you are afraid, or because you started affirming he was healthy, or visualizing "too many times," and you can't say "I love you" to a dog too many times -- dogs are love manifested.

If people had the power to cause injury to others out of fear or out of desperately wishing/praying/affirming for health and well-being for others who depend on them, this power would completely wipe out any pets that get seriously ill and any children also.

The dream was a premonition of something you would have no control over.

[ZHereford]

I think that many people misinterpret what visualization is. It's meant as a strategy to help you achieve your goals. Many people confuse it with prayer, desire, wishful thinking etc. Not that there's anything wrong with that, just be clear on what it can and cannot do.

[Jack]

What about my other visualization?
"Also i want to give another example.When i affirm somehing like "4 million dollars is coming to us",in the following days i hear that one of our relatives have debt and cause he doesn't have money his father(but cause his father doesn't have enough money)my mother starts crying and my father have to pay this stupid man's debts ."

Why did i get opposite results?Now i am afraid to try visualization about money.

Also,about we don't have power to cause injury,i am not sure.Maybe you saw it too,there are people who can bend a metal with just changing their belief that "it is too hard,unbendable material" to "too soft,bendable material".I am not sure if we can cause injury for another person,although i believe that we can cause health problems on our ownself with visualizing.But cause even bending a metal is possible,i am not sure about limits...

[bronxr]

Visualisation-- why does it work opposite?
I think that when the thoughts turn the opposite it is because of natural thinking of human mind and thought.I think that the thoughts were designed by evolution for showing possibilities of problems and disharmony to give a human possibility to overcome it or change it not to dream about beautiful things.
For example the normal thought process can be - some animal can fight me, what if i brake my leg or something similar.

And the more you try to resist these thoughts the more they sticks in your mind.



SORRY FOR BAD ENGLISH - just tried to express myself.

[Eowyn]

Someone mentioned a negative belief can hinder your intentions.
So, how do you overcome this? Should you first deal with your negative belief and then start with the intentions?

After reading Floridagal post I've come to realize that I also may have a similar problem.

I've been using visualization, as well as the written form.
For some intentions, when I start visualizing them, there is a 'fleeting' thought that goes through my mind ...'what if...' ..usually something negative. I try to get it out of my head, but I suppose it is like a submarine which submerges below the surface but it is still there, before it resurfaces again.

I've discovered some of these limiting beliefs but they are not easy to get rid of, they've been with me for a long time so it's like a habit I have to kick.

I'm trying to change them and eliminate them right now, but I'm wondering should I continue with my intentions and visualizations as well, if I still don't have full control over these fleeting negative thoughts ?

[fascinoma]

INTERESTING STUFF.

Sheds light on why I had the following phenomenon happen.

I used to do visualizations of my boyfriends staying with me forever and ever, marrying me and me wearing the fairy princess frosted cupcake gown, when I was a teenager. I would light a candle and draw the boyfriend's name on my jacket in a special "mystical" alphabet while I did the visualization.

Almost every time, within a few days, they'd tell me they needed to "cool things", "needed space" and "time apart". They never actually said "it's over, seeya"; it was always that wording, then again, these WERE teenagers. A cycle would then start where I would back off, they'd call, then when I responded, they'd run away. Sometimes this would go on for longer than we actually dated. BUT THERE WOULD BE NO ACTUAL BREAKUP until I forced the issue ("are we together or not?") after which, they'd label me a psycho b!tch.

After about the third time I stopped doing that little ritual.

I was thinking for a long time that what caused this to happen, was just that I was too intense for them. Later when I did start studying Wicca/the occult I realized I was attempting to bind someone else's will, which is considered uncool. But from an LoA perspective, what I'm seeing is that I manifested the breakup by trying to keep a breakup from happening. How interesting. [Of course, if I was that secure to begin with, why would I feel the need to do a ritual?]

Maybe this is why I seem to be good at manifesting love/people these days, but haven't ever been good at manifesting jobs. I'm unintentionally reinforcing my creation of being stuck in a job I dislike/being unemployed.

[Joely]

Originally Posted by fascinoma

INTERESTING STUFF.

Sheds light on why I had the following phenomenon happen.

I used to do visualizations of my boyfriends staying with me forever and ever, marrying me and me wearing the fairy princess frosted cupcake gown, when I was a teenager. I would light a candle and draw the boyfriend's name on my jacket in a special "mystical" alphabet while I did the visualization.

Almost every time, within a few days, they'd tell me they needed to "cool things", "needed space" and "time apart". They never actually said "it's over, seeya"; it was always that wording, then again, these WERE teenagers. A cycle would then start where I would back off, they'd call, then when I responded, they'd run away. Sometimes this would go on for longer than we actually dated. BUT THERE WOULD BE NO ACTUAL BREAKUP until I forced the issue ("are we together or not?") after which, they'd label me a psycho b!tch.

After about the third time I stopped doing that little ritual.

I was thinking for a long time that what caused this to happen, was just that I was too intense for them. Later when I did start studying Wicca/the occult I realized I was attempting to bind someone else's will, which is considered uncool. But from an LoA perspective, what I'm seeing is that I manifested the breakup by trying to keep a breakup from happening. How interesting. [Of course, if I was that secure to begin with, why would I feel the need to do a ritual?]

Maybe this is why I seem to be good at manifesting love/people these days, but haven't ever been good at manifesting jobs. I'm unintentionally reinforcing my creation of being stuck in a job I dislike/being unemployed.

That's a very interesting perspective. It seems that it's really difficult if you're trying to manifest something in order to get away from another state. So you'd have difficulty manifesting the perfect job if you were actually thinking "I need to get out of this job..." It goes back to the "be happy as you are now" argument.

And the last paragraph perfectly describes me. I've always found it frighteningly easy to get jobs and apartments, and I think it's because I keep reinforcing the belief by saying just that!

[fascinoma]

Originally Posted by Joely

And the last paragraph perfectly describes me. I've always found it frighteningly easy to get jobs and apartments, and I think it's because I keep reinforcing the belief by saying just that!

Interesting stuff. I hit my "Saturn return" age pretty much feeling like I had the relationship thing nailed. My marriage broke up then I found another relationship exactly when I wanted to/was ready to. I'm sure that if my partner and I didn't work out I'd be with someone else. I'm not with her because she's the only person out there, I'm with her because of her.

But sometimes it feels like I spent my life mastering relationships, romantic and otherwise (it's still a major suck of time in my life; I spend more time thinking about people than about anything else) instead of the career thing. I'm still going around in circles in dead end jobs at 34. Sometimes it feels like my life's work is relationships. I find relationships between people, on the micro (marriage, family) to the macro (whole cultures) levels, more interesting than anything I've trained to do for a living. If only it were lucrative!