Hollographic Visualization

[impaul99]

I haven't been able to reproduce the Holographic visualization I experienced a few months ago, but the experience has left a trace of something else for me.

Since it happened I've been able to lie down and close my eyes on the couch and with my eyes closed and still conscious I kind of keep my eyes closed by I try to "see" through my eyelids, almost visualizing them disappearing so that I can "see". I've gotten to the point where I can relax and actually feel as if my eyelids are not there anymore. Meaning I no longer feel them on my eyeballs. I still see darkness and haven't been able to see images yet, but I feel like I'm really close. It's almost like I'm starting to feel images, just not see them yet.

For example if I try to see buildings made out of bricks like they have in Europe, I can feel them with my eyes closed, just not see them yet but it's very close.

Just wondering if anyone else has played around with visualizing with your eyes closed while being fully awake. It's similar to lucid dreaming, except it's not about waking up in your dream, it's about dreaming in your waking state.

Maybe this is what meditation is all about, and everyone already does this, and I'm the last person to discover it? It seems so cool to be able to do this.

[Acting Like Godot]

Wow, Paul, this is a really big surprise to me! I thought everyone who does visualisation, does this .... In fact I'm not sure how else one could do visualisation.

Maybe you ARE the last person around here to do it.

Now, HOW exactly were you doing your visualisation in the past?!?

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Wow, Paul, this is a really big surprise to me! I thought everyone who does visualisation, does this .... In fact I'm not sure how else one could do visualisation.

Maybe you ARE the last person around here to do it.

Now, HOW exactly were you doing your visualisation in the past?!?

I can close my eyes and think about something and I get the general feeling of it, however I don't actually SEE what I'm visualizing like I do with my eyes open.

Does that make sense?

[Anagogy]

For most people, it takes quite a while before their visualizations reach the same level of vividness as the "external world", but it is well worth developing. It, much like everything else, is like a muscle, which can be honed and developed through consistent practice.

[mochamajesty]

Originally Posted by impaul99

I can close my eyes and think about something and I get the general feeling of it, however I don't actually SEE what I'm visualizing like I do with my eyes open.

Does that make sense?

It makes perfect sense to me. That is how I also visualize.

[petewilliams]

A couple of times recently during meditation I've had a similar experience, and it's seemed as if I can see through my eyelids. This is all pretty new to me too, so I'm going to keep working on it and see where it goes.

The comment about meditation being like a muscle ring true with me. I find that if I don't meditate for a while it takes me a few sessions to get back into it, and with each session I feel like it's easier to reach a deeper state. One of my intentions for the year is to make meditation a twice-daily exercise so that I can really develop this deeper feeling rather than just 'skimming along the surface' like I have been up until now.

Pete

[RT Wolf]

Different people have different modalities, some go by sight, others by hearing and others by feeling.

A tip for someone who's trying to visualize with sight: The way many of us imagine things in our head are small and faraway, as if on a tv screen, and really dim. So, try making your mental images bigger and making them brighter. Takes a bit of practice, but makes things a whole lot better nad more interesting

[Acting Like Godot]

Hi Paul:

It's not going to be as vivid as something you see in broad daylight with your two eyes wide open. But it will get (a lot) more vivid, with practice.

Okay, you try something like this, play around and see what happens. Close your eyes, relax, breathe etc etc, then pull up an actual memory. For example, the memory of the house you lived in when you were a kid.

Now, an image will pop into your mind. It could be something like the way your house looked, from the outside. Hold the image gently ... gently .... gently.

Now start visualising it in greater detail. The colour of the walls. The colour of the door. The design of the gate. The position of the tree in the garden, relative to the rose bushes. The texture of the pathway leading to the front door. The bicycle on the right hand side of the porch.

Excellent!

Now ........ walk through the front door .... and go through every room. The hall, the kitchen, the dining room, the bedrooms. Pay attention to where everything is, slowly fill the image with details of things that you recall were really there in your old house .... the wooden floor, the green sofa on the wooden floor, the square cushions on the green sofa, the cat sleeping on the square cushions .... and so on.

Okay .... that was visualisation practice. Here you're working with an actual memory, a place that really existed, a place that you knew well.

Now ... for purposes of LOA/IM, it's the same thing but you don't have to work with an actual memory. You just visualise whatever you want (eg your desired dream house), and start filling in the details - as you had filled in details for your actual house.

With practice, (and I emphasise - not immediately, but with practice), this can become a very vivid kind of experience. It's not limited to "image" purely ... it will be 3D, you can fill it with sound, touch, movement, even taste ....

..... eventually go a few steps further, sink really deep into alpha, and you might meet a couple of walking, talking entities in your visualisation exercise. (like Napoleon Hill's counsellors).

While furniture, houses and other inanimate objects in your visualisation exercise will generally appear and behave exactly as you want them to, don't be surprised if the walking, talking entities DON'T. You can make them disappear (or you can just "wake" up and end the visualisation) but you can't order them around to do things. They have their own free will.

If you meet a bunch of them and they call themselves "Abraham", let me know. I'd love to meet them too.

[Acting Like Godot]

This is from my personal blog, one of the first times I discovered how vivid a visualisation can be:

Acting Like Godot: Dynamic Meditation

Sometimes, "surprise" images can pop up in your meditation sessions which you weren't expecting at all. Here's one of my personal examples:

Creation & Other Adventures: A Surprising Meditation Experience

Here's an example of meeting an "entity" during a mind session. Sorry if the facts presented are none too clear - this post, like most of my blog posts, was written for my own records mainly, and so I didn't elaborate much on the context:

Acting Like Godot: Visiting The Lab

Here's an unplanned mini-psychic experience (I think). I visualised for a successful job interview, and "received" the image of the interview's appearance and his name (kind of) ...... and later I did meet this person at a job interview:

Acting Like Godot: Just A Little Bit Psychic

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Hi Paul:

It's not going to be as vivid as something you see in broad daylight with your two eyes wide open. But it will get (a lot) more vivid, with practice.

Okay, you try something like this, play around and see what happens. Close your eyes, relax, breathe etc etc, then pull up an actual memory. For example, the memory of the house you lived in when you were a kid.

Now, an image will pop into your mind. It could be something like the way your house looked, from the outside. Hold the image gently ... gently .... gently.

Now start visualising it in greater detail. The colour of the walls. The colour of the door. The design of the gate. The position of the tree in the garden, relative to the rose bushes. The texture of the pathway leading to the front door. The bicycle on the right hand side of the porch.

Excellent!

The problem here is that if I close my eyes and try to visualize something like, lets say, my bathroom upstairs (just to pick something fresh in my mind), I don't actually "see" the bathroom. Do you know what I mean?

Anyway, so if I try to visualize the bathroom, I simply think of it and I think of lets say the architectural layout of where the toilet is and where the sink is and where the tub is for example. Now, if you tell me to start focus on details like lets say the fact that the mirrors are such that you can put them at different angles and see the side of your face, not just stationary like some mirrors are then I focus on that in my mind (like thinking about it), but then I am no longer thinking about the architectural layout anymore.

Do you know what I mean? It's like I'm THINKING and FEELING the bathroom, but not seeing it, which means that I can only focus on one detail at a time.

However, when I go into the world of holographic visualization, it's almost like I don't have to put any effort into it. The world is there in front of my (closed) eyes and I can see it. When I rotate my head by 100 degrees to my left, everything rotates, just like in a video game and I see what's to my left. I don't have to "think" of the light being on in the room, I don't have to think about what color the walls are, and what's on the floor, and what time of day it is, and what color the ceiling is etc. it's all just there presented to me.

It's kind of like dreaming.

Now that I think about it, I think it all has to do with going to a place where your conscious mind is not in control anymore. It just becomes a silent witness. Because if you're trying to "visualize" with your conscious mind, it's way too slow. It's like describing a strip show over the phone - just isn't the same

Maybe I need to stop trying to picture or think about every detail, but rather just pick a single word and relax into it and let my subconscious "visualize". Maybe my conscious mind is too stupid/slow to visualize a world as vivid as the one I see with my eyes open.

[Acting Like Godot]

I'd describe your holographic experience as a very vivid sort of visualisation, but as you say, it had happened spontaneously and you're not sure how to get there again. I think you're on the right track, you just need practice, that's all, but in the meantime you'll have to live with less-vivid and less-exciting visualisations.

I recall mentioning the Silva Method course to you ... Do consider it. The book is one thing, but the actual course has the participants doing visualisations right there and then, during the course, and under hypnosis, so that vivid visualisations become much more easily achievable.

On a separate note, here is another way to practise visualisation. I read about this somewhere, I haven't used it much myself, but you may want to give it a shot.

Just go somewhere, observe your surroundings and then .... close your eyes. Now mentally reconstruct what you had just seen, in as great detail as you can. Then open your eyes, see what you had missed out. Close your eyes and repeat. Repeat as many times as you like .....

With practice, you should be able to get much sharper, detailed mental images, whether it's based on actual memory or something you're trying to manifest.

[RT Wolf]

Tell me Paul, do you have a strong spatial sense? I mean, do you generally always know the direction, and where you are relative to other places? Don't usually get lost, and know which hand is your right one and which is the left one without thinking?

[Mags]

Paul, how would you describe yourself and your way of interacting with the world generally, i.e. would you call yourself a visual person, or auditory?

I'm definitely much more visually inclined, so my visualisations are very visual - I can easily "see" everything. Granted, it's not exactly like looking with my physical eyes, but it's kind of like switching off my physical eyes and "seeing" other images on top of what else is there (I can "see" both at the same time, the physical just kind of "dims" out if I'm visualising with my eyes open). I can do the same thing if my eyes are closed. It's difficult to describe

I just checked with my husband to see what he said, because I'd consider him more auditory in general. Turns out that if he is picturing somewhere he's been, e.g. the house we used to live in, he can see it clearly, kind of overlaid over the physical. But, we are wanting to buy a new house, and here's where he and I differ... I can see the house in my head as if I am "remembering" a place that I've been (although I've never been there in physical reality, the house took shape in my head over a period of time). It is 3D, and I can walk around it in my head. However, he can't see where he hasn't been in physical reality, so he said that he can think about what he wants in a new house, e.g number of bedrooms, bathrooms, garden etc, but he can't see it as an entity. Interesting

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by RT Wolf

Tell me Paul, do you have a strong spatial sense? I mean, do you generally always know the direction, and where you are relative to other places? Don't usually get lost, and know which hand is your right one and which is the left one without thinking?

Usually yes. Why?

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Mags

Paul, how would you describe yourself and your way of interacting with the world generally, i.e. would you call yourself a visual person, or auditory?

I'm definitely much more visually inclined, so my visualisations are very visual - I can easily "see" everything. Granted, it's not exactly like looking with my physical eyes, but it's kind of like switching off my physical eyes and "seeing" other images on top of what else is there (I can "see" both at the same time, the physical just kind of "dims" out if I'm visualising with my eyes open). I can do the same thing if my eyes are closed. It's difficult to describe

I just checked with my husband to see what he said, because I'd consider him more auditory in general. Turns out that if he is picturing somewhere he's been, e.g. the house we used to live in, he can see it clearly, kind of overlaid over the physical. But, we are wanting to buy a new house, and here's where he and I differ... I can see the house in my head as if I am "remembering" a place that I've been (although I've never been there in physical reality, the house took shape in my head over a period of time). It is 3D, and I can walk around it in my head. However, he can't see where he hasn't been in physical reality, so he said that he can think about what he wants in a new house, e.g number of bedrooms, bathrooms, garden etc, but he can't see it as an entity. Interesting

Auditory and Visual are my two stronger senses. Kinesthetic would be my weakest one.

I would say that Auditory is my stronger one with visual right next to it.

However, I can't "Visualize" voices either.

[RT Wolf]

Cause I'm the same way, I am great with spatial relations but not as good as visual, but I didn't really realize until later that "visualize" didn't mean think about things in general spatial terms, but rather actual visual sense with images and physical detail. So I can relate to what you're talking about. Perhaps I shall start looking for this holographic visualization. It would be cool.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by RT Wolf

Cause I'm the same way, I am great with spatial relations but not as good as visual, but I didn't really realize until later that "visualize" didn't mean think about things in general spatial terms, but rather actual visual sense with images and physical detail. So I can relate to what you're talking about. Perhaps I shall start looking for this holographic visualization. It would be cool.

I would definitely look into lucid dreaming. I think I was able to achieve it because I played around with lucid dreaming before.

I actually have a Nova Dreamer device that flashes little LED lights at you at night when it detects REM sleep. It's a cool thing, except that when I used it before it was waking me up a bit too much and even though I got into lucid dreams I was so tired at work the next day.

I think I should play around with it some more now though. This was back in like 2003. I know so much more about LoA now, it might be way cooler to experiment.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

I'd describe your holographic experience as a very vivid sort of visualisation, but as you say, it had happened spontaneously and you're not sure how to get there again. I think you're on the right track, you just need practice, that's all, but in the meantime you'll have to live with less-vivid and less-exciting visualisations.

I recall mentioning the Silva Method course to you ... Do consider it. The book is one thing, but the actual course has the participants doing visualisations right there and then, during the course, and under hypnosis, so that vivid visualisations become much more easily achievable.

On a separate note, here is another way to practise visualisation. I read about this somewhere, I haven't used it much myself, but you may want to give it a shot.

Just go somewhere, observe your surroundings and then .... close your eyes. Now mentally reconstruct what you had just seen, in as great detail as you can. Then open your eyes, see what you had missed out. Close your eyes and repeat. Repeat as many times as you like .....

With practice, you should be able to get much sharper, detailed mental images, whether it's based on actual memory or something you're trying to manifest.

No I didn't go to a Silva course, but I'll keep an eye out for the opportunity. I've also been busy with so many other things, but I'll keep an eye out.

I think I have some Audio CD's too.. I'll see if I can dig them up, and listen to them when I workout.

[RT Wolf]

Yea? I've sorta had this sense for pretty much ever. One of the reasons I'm able to fix pretty much anything mechanical or technilogical.

So, it seems we've got the 3D spatial portion down, just need to start putting some skins on the wireframes (like in 3d programs), ie just start adding the details and features and the like.

Re: lucid dreaming. Sure, why not. I would like to experience a lucid dream easily and as soon as possible.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by RT Wolf

Re: lucid dreaming. Sure, why not. I would like to experience a lucid dream easily and as soon as possible.

You've never had one? THey're awesome. ABout the only thing that sucks about them is that you wake up.

[dancer]

How were you feeling prior to experiencing the first H visualisation, Paul? I experience much of the same results as you when I *try* to visualise, but when I'm tired I see faces, small trailer type movies, visions etc. If you can remember more about your state prior to the hv, you might get clues to setting up another one.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by dancer

How were you feeling prior to experiencing the first H visualisation, Paul? I experience much of the same results as you when I *try* to visualise, but when I'm tired I see faces, small trailer type movies, visions etc. If you can remember more about your state prior to the hv, you might get clues to setting up another one.

I was tired, lying on the couch, and almost falling asleep.

I wasn't trying to visualize, I was more falling asleep but being kept awake by my wife sitting in the room and reading her book, and the animals making some small noises.

[dancer]

Interesting... Perhaps, you, me and others who cannot take a few deep breaths, focus and visualise, require going to a deep meditative state before reaching our gateway to visualisation?

A long time ago, I did a group mediation and had a wonderful visualisation that gave me so much peace. I often recall the memory of this. The visions I see when tired are more entertaining, so it would be wonderful to be able to have them on call.

I intend, for the both of us, the ability to reach the gateway to visualisation with ease.