Do foods,drugs have their own power?

[Jack]

Do foods,drugs have their own power or do our beliefs give them the power?

For example,can drinking coke cause illness or it may cause illness only if i believe that it is unhealthy?Or can eating red meat or drinking coffeine cause mental problems like obsessions?(some doctors claim it)

I heard some New Agers(like Louise Hay) who say that our beliefs create our reality,but then,they say something like"i only eat vegatables cause it is healthy,don't eat unhealthy foods" and get confused very much.

Also i should say that not even all doctors agree that eating only vegatables is a healty way of nutrition,they say that meat is necessary too and we should eat both of them,one way nutrition is not healthy they say.But i doubt that if some foods are healthy and others are not, independent of our beliefs.

Or taking anti-depressant piils may cause obsessions to finish?

[qiflow]

Hi Jack,

The fastest way to manifest something is to take the appropriate actions to create it. So eating healthier food is a quicker way of improving your health. Beliefs do have an effect. Look at the placebo effect, for instance. People believe that something is going to help them, and so it does to some degree. Over a period of time, energy and intent can have a large effect on health. Look at systems of energy healing for instance. But the fastest way to manifest something physical is to use the law of cause and effect. This is why when someone gets their finger cut off, surgery is used and not intention-manifestation. Also, keep in mind that you are using intent when you take a physical action.

[Jack]

Then it means that foods,drugs have their own power too.

[Jack]

Do all people agree to this?

[impaul99]

I struggled with the same concept Jack.

Here's my summarized response.

Food and drugs only hold power over you because you believe they do. Once you achieve a certain level of enlightenment, like, lets say....Jesus or Bhudda, you may be able to drink coke and eat whatever you want without it affecting you in any way. Why? Because at those levels your awareness is so high that you no longer even believe your body is here. It's kind of like being in a Matrix or having a dream that you're drinking Coke. It's not bad for you because there is no Coke and there is no you.

Now. From a simplified perspective, I doubt you have advanced your spirit to the point of such enlightenment, so the safer thing to do is to eat healthy until such time arrives as your spirit being so strong that it doesn't matter.

The reason there seems to be a conflict here is because part of the path towards spiritual development is learning how to discipline the Ego. One of the best ways to discipline the Ego is to force it to eat healthy foods, not crap. It is this discipline over the Ego that helps us advance spiritually because we are taking away power from Ego and giving it back to our True Self.

So I guess you can say that you need to eat healthy so that you overcome your Ego's addictions, so that you can develop your spirit to a point where you will no longer need to worry about things like eating healthy. Make sense?

If you're still confused, just focus on eating healthy right now. After two years, ask yourself "Am I enlightened like Jesus?" If yes, you may no longer need to eat healthy. If not, then keep eating healthy.

[Jack]

Thanks for your answers people.

"Because at those levels your awareness is so high that you no longer even believe your body is here. It's kind of like being in a Matrix or having a dream that you're drinking Coke. It's not bad for you because there is no Coke and there is no you."

Your sentences reminded me something.I had similar feeling in periods last year,especially in the days which i have read a book about beliefs,and then Matrix movie came to tv again,and i watched it again,and started to believe that i am in a dream or Matrix too much,i really believed too much in that days,and for example,my hair is wavy,but when i visualized that i have straight hair and remind myself that i am just in a dream and everything is possible,i could be able to do the part of my hair in my hand straight without any wave,and after i (when i tried to do it without visualizing and without thinking that i am in a dream,it didn't work) released that part of my hair,it was standing straight for a while...

I really miss that days,i really miss that feeling of believing that i am in a dream too much,but i don't have that feeling any longer But i think there should be a way to feel that feeling again.Maybe i should break myself of using computer again and start concentrating on spirituality again,because i break myself of Tv and computer and i was spending most of my time concentrating on spirituality in that days,i think i may have the same feeling if i do these again.

Was Buddha able to break a metal with using his thought power?I saw some people who can be able to break or bend metal.For example,in a new year show in last year,i saw a man bend a spoon.Then he gave another spoon to the presenter of that tv programme,and said to the presenter "just change your belief that "this spoon is made of metal" to "this spoon is made of soft material".Than the presenter said"You are a soft spoon,you are so soft..." But of course he couldn't bend the spoon.Then the other man took the same spoon,and concentrated on that spoon,and he bend it and broke it.
So i think we don't have to reach to Buddha's level of awareness for eating "nonhealthy labeled" food without causing illness,changing our beliefs may be enough.

Also,in Secret book,i read something like this.If i remember true,the writer wrote that eating food do not cause fatness,our beliefs that "eating much food cause fatness" cause fatness.He also wrote that there are many people who eat too much,but still thin.And they are not at the level of Buddha,i think they just believe that they stay thin even if they eat very much...

[jeff3]

Some occult groups have tested members by having them drink poison and I believe even in the christian bible there is a passage about believers handling snakes and consuming poison without being harmed. I believe it is possible, but don't advocate it . I think this sort of thing requires the ability to rise above the 'group mind' or 'race mind' as some of the early mental scientists called it. I believe that by raising your consciousness you separate yourself from the beliefs held firmly in place by the prevailing world views and you would then be governed by your own beliefs which could be anything you want (gets close to subjective reality if taken in that direction), you would basically make your own rules.

Medicine is another area where there is a huge interest by a lot of people to maintain the current reality, lot's of $$$ and ego's at stake so there is a pretty firm belief structure to buck against. Keeping a low profile is best if you intend to do this because you will not be going against as many peoples beliefs. I think there are instances in the bible where Jesus heals people and then instructs them "to tell no man" , I believe this is because of the resistance the predominate reality would have against this sort of thing. We all hear and read about miracle cures but they never make to the public arena, same reason as above, those things simply do not exists in some peoples world and therefore are not seen.

[Acting Like Godot]

The phrase "placebo effect" has found its way into common parlance. The "nocebo effect" hasn't. But it works just the same way, only in reverse.

Example of a nocebo effect - you believe that eating X is bad for you. Therefore you WILL suffer ill effects from eating X.

Google for yourself and find out about the nocebo effect.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Jack

Was Buddha able to break a metal with using his thought power?I saw some people who can be able to break or bend metal.For example,in a new year show in last year,i saw a man bend a spoon.Then he gave another spoon to the presenter of that tv programme,and said to the presenter "just change your belief that "this spoon is made of metal" to "this spoon is made of soft material".Than the presenter said"You are a soft spoon,you are so soft..." But of course he couldn't bend the spoon.Then the other man took the same spoon,and concentrated on that spoon,and he bend it and broke it.

One word of caution here. What you most likely witnessed was a magic trick. I studied magic with a professional magician for over two years and ran an online magic store for a while. There are countless ways that a spoon can be bent like you described with just sleight of hand magic.

Here's one example of a video that teaches you how to do that kind of stuff:
Metal Bending (World's Greatest Magic) by L&L Publishing - DVD

Just click on the video clip to see a demo.