Seth and Subjective Reality

[Jack]

Does Seth support the Steve's old Subjective Reality model?

I have read many quotes from Seth's books,but i thought like there is still a shared reality.

[responsibility]

I find subjective reality to be an strange and unusual concept. Say we both believed in subjective reality, I know I am conscious, and you know you are conscious, but we'd perceive each other as illusions or projections of you or I. Its far too irrational to be true.

If it were true, then you'd never make mistakes, because your mistakes will just become correct and real reality, it discourages growth, which is the purpose of life. There's nothing bad about with living with other real, conscious people , you still have the ability to control your destiny.

[Anagogy]

Think about it. If you really are an unlimited being, why LIMIT yourself to one individuated experience? An unlimited being has the capacity, as it were, to experience an infinitude of conscious existences simultaneously. It makes no sense, for a being of that caliber, to project one "real" self, and a bunch of other "fake" selves that are just side characters or "extras".

There is a great quote from A Course In Miracles:

Two concepts which CANNOT coexist are “nothing” and “everything.” To whatever extent one is
believed in, the other HAS BEEN denied.

The unlimited being that you are only has one preference, and that is a preference to KNOW all, and in knowing all, it EXPERIENCES all. All realities exist period. All conceivable scenarios which mind could play out exist at some level of reality. Either everything exists, or nothing exists...there is no middle ground. There are an infinity of parallel realities, where mind explores each potential scenario of the play called existence. It could be an atom of a grain of sand that is displaced to make one universe different from another, or a much bigger difference. Distance is measured by difference in the nonphysical realm.

The point is, your ego is not the center point. The ego is a filter in the stream of intelligent infinity. The Seth material, as I understand it, promotes the idea of objective reality being the result of consensus perception. Seth states:

Humanity dreams the same dream at once, and you have your mass world. The whole construction is like an educational play in which you are the producers as well as the actors. There is a play within a play within a play. There is no end to the "within" of things. The dreamer dreams, and the dreamer within the dream dreams. But the dreams are not meaningless, and the actions within them are significant. The whole self is the observer and the participator in the roles.

[dave marshall]

HI,

I am not sure what model you are discussing but seth states that we do co-create our experience but that we experience our own reality only through our own five senses. So we will only ever interect with our own creation through the five senses even though we co-create beyond them.

Is this what you are discussing?

Dave

[Jack]

Thanks for your answers.

Dave,what u mean by "co-creating beyond them"?Does Seth mean that we only experience our own reality which is created by us?

Resposibility,yes,it is good to control my own destiny,but i would like to have more control than my own destiny.I mean,i would like to have control of everything that comes to my reality,total resposibility. If i don't have full control,then still i can blame others for something i dont't like,but if i have full control,i can't blame anyone-anything cause i am manifesting them.Don't want to have any limits at manifesting anything .

[dave marshall]

Hi Jack,

I mean that reality is created from beyond our five senses: that we do not create reality itself, but experience and create our own version of reality. This version of a broader reality is created by our five senses and faithfully reflects our personal fears, beliefs, hopes and desires.

So the term 'you create your own reality' is literal in every sense and in knowing that you can take full responsibility for your reality and with full responsibility comes full freedom. Fantastic!!!!!!!!!!! I love it, I really do!

cheers

Dave

[Jack]

Thanks for your answer dave.I think i still couldn't understand much

Do you mean we can't create reality,but we can just create a version of reality?Reality is not created by us,it's a shared reality and we don't have power to change it,but we can create a version of reality,like for example i am fearing of a spider,but you don't get afraid of a spider?I may like eating Burger King but you may don't like it and may prefer Mcdonalds?Do you mean this? Do you mean we can create only this?

I read your first answer again and saw that you didn't mean this,you mean we co-create reality and we create our own version of reality totaly.Are my spider and Burger King examples suitable examples "for version of reality"?But then this means that we can only be fully responsible for our own version of reality,but not fully responsible for reality?(the behaviours of other people for example,they are not doing something cause we believe that they do it,they do it independent of us totaly?)

[dave marshall]

Hi Jack.

Reality is created from the beings that create it, each creating thier own experience within the broader reality.

The closest analogy is how we create our dream experiences. Have a think abiout how that experience is actually created i.e how do you know you are dreaming when you are dreaming, what tells you that you and the dream exist? You will get to the answer that your senses, five of them, tell you you exist within an experience. Your senses create space where there is none, your senses create time where there is none, your senses tell you about your enviroment because in truth your senses create your enviroment within the dream. In a dream you may be in place you know on earth but you are not actually floating on a planet in space are you?? It all seems so real and solid and permanent and within your dream it is even though it is created from thought. The key to real freedom is to understand that your waking life is created in the same fashion, you are really aren,t floating on a planet in space!

You are not responsible for reality becuase you do not create reality itself, but you do create your own personal version of reality, that you are responsible for in every way.

In terms of other people: you are responsible for the interactions that you have and for what you experience but in the broadest context we also have to accept that we are part of something bigger than ourselves, humanity, and that humanity has its own processes to explore. The easiest way to think of it is that we each create our own personal realities based upon our ideas and beliefs, these personal realities are part of mass reality that we call the world!

big subject!

dave

[Jack]

Thanks for your answer.

Yes it's a very big subject really

For example,if i see a thief in news,am i responsible for his behaviour?Or is stealing his own "fault"?

You gave the example of dream,and i want to talk about it.In my dream,is everything my thought?And so everyone in my dream is me cause there is noone other than my consciousness?And then in "real" world,again everyone i see is my thought and everyone is me like in my dream?If yes,i couldn't understand how our dreams(i mean "real world") are connected to each other exactly,cause our dreams at night aren't connected with each other,but real world seems like our realities are connected..