Garbage, all of it.

[Acting Like Godot]

I am really stunned by this ..... I think I will excuse myself from this forum for some time, and go through all my blog entries .... to try to identify all my misses ....

I am very curious now to analyse my misses and find out exactly what kind of things I cannot do with LOA.

Goodbye everyone. I will be back.

[Acting Like Godot]

Okay, I'm aware that I must be boring some of you to tears with the minutiae of my life. However, something else just happened and I just want to put it down for the sake of completeness of my story.

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Getting $10,000 out of thin air seems bizarre, strange and unusual enough to me, so early yesterday morning, I decided to work with that.

Anyway, that was in the morning. I came home in the evening and there's a bill in my mailbox for $6,200+, and a cheque for about $300.

The bill is a hospital bill for one of my family members. I had already paid it a while ago. All this time, I had not been able to claim on my company's health insurance because the hospital had had some problems sorting out & finalising the cost of certain items in the bill, and therefore they had not been able to furnish a 100% finalised bill.

Now, the hospital has sent me a final bill, for good order, to show the exact cost of all the different items and to confirm the exact amount payable. It turns out I had overpaid previously. So I get a refund cheque for a few hundred dollars.

And with the final bill, I can now claim on my company's health insurance, so I will be receiving $6,200+ shortly.

Here's the next thing, which also happened last night. The background is that in my country, the government gives certain grants to all families who have two or more young children. However, the grants can only be used for specific purposes, such as paying for their expenses at playschools and kindergartens.

I have never been able to use the grants. I've been sending my kids to a certain school for the past few years (since they were toddlers). However, it is an unusual school, with an unusual curriculum, designed to challenge and nurture gifted kids (it is one of my longstanding intentions that my children are gifted).

And because of its non-standard curriculum, the government had not approved it as a school where the grant could be used to pay for the school fees. So my grant money has been sitting idle, locked up by government rules, in a special account that I cannot touch.

Anyway, last night, my wife told me that the school had told her that this is now changed with immediate effect. The government has finally given its approval for the school to be licensed as a "school".

And so we can use the government grant to pay the fees, starting from this semester. The school said that it would shortly deduct this semester's fees directly from our government grant account. This semester's fees should be around $1,200.

So within one day of my manifestation for $10,000, I'm getting news from the universe that it will be footing $6,200 + $1,200 = $7,400 of my expenses, plus I get a $300 cheque. Total is $7,700.

$10,000 - $7,700 = $2,300

So I am still waiting for the universe to send me an additional $2,300. This - I confidently expect.

I don't think that the additional $2,300 is coming.

What's the reason? I came home today and opened the mailbox. By "coincidence", my bank statement regarding the government grant arrived in the mail today.

Image of bank statement:

statement.jpg (image)

I just noted that the government grant account has $12,032.22 which I consider to be very close to $10,000. This $12K is finally freed up for my use, after being tied up by the government for the past three years (due to my choice of school for the kids).

I consider that the universe, by freeing up the $12K yesterday, has already responded to my $10K intention planted yesterday morning. The $6K hospital matter is an extra bonus.

Since the universe has already given me more than the specific amount I asked for, I doubt that the additional $2,300 (as computed earlier) will be coming.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Okay, I'm aware that I must be boring some of you to tears with the minutiae of my life. However, something else just happened and I just want to put it down for the sake of completeness of my story.

You certainly are not boring me!

I read your account of your manifestation success last night after I had immersed myself so much in all this yesterday, did so much reading, and seeing the success you had yesterday was a good cap to my day, since almost my entire day was filled with stress/frustration/disappointment/confusion.

You can also see the differences in style, among the LOA gurus / teachers. Abraham Hicks emphasises emotions. Shakti Gawain emphasises visualisation. Jose Silva emphasises the need to access deeper mental states. Etc.

I was thinking exactly this after reading your posting last night. The way you went about manifesting this is not at all the typical advice I see about IM, or practices that are like IM, such as Napoleon Hill's writings. There is so much commentary about how you can't just meditate and expect something to happen, you have to make a plan, write it down, say affirmations, go out in the world and work the plan . . . it's more like IM will speed up the process and make it more effective . . . but I don't tend to see people stating that one can go into a deep meditative state and manifest $10,000!

So clearly, LoA - if it exists at all - is haphazard at best. If "the universe" is so finely tuned that LoA practitioners must do A, B and C in a certain order in a certain timeline and in a certain way and feel certain feelings while doing it, well, that hardly makes it a reliable process, does it?

You were answering cdn's post above, and I have to agree with that post and how you answered. This concept of doing A, B and C in a certain order in a certain timeline and feeling certain feelings and so on, does not ring true to me. One thing I have realized though is that detachment probably is important, or at least feeling good, light, rather than stressed and worried about a certain intention -- mainly because if we are stating the intention with words like "relaxed, easy, healthy, and positive" -- then being stressed and worried is going to cancel out the intention because it is at odds with the first part of the intention.

I don't know how to avoid the stress and worry, however, when like cdn, I have got a mess to clean up. My intentions then carry a tone of desperation and demand, rather than a light and free attitue.

[mochamajesty]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

I don't know how to avoid the stress and worry, however, when like cdn, I have got a mess to clean up. My intentions then carry a tone of desperation and demand, rather than a light and free attitue.

That's my issue.

Acting Like Godot, please correct me if I am wrong, but it seems like you starting consciously using IM/LOA when you were already in a state of abundance/positive thinking/etc. But for some of us who may suffer from depression/lackful thinking/etc. what do we do? Asking for 10,000.00 when you WANT it is different than asking for 10,000.00 when you NEED it. I am in no way diminishing your accomplishments. I think that your attitude is fantastic, and you accomplishments are very inspiring. But it seems as if when you started you were already worlds apart from well...someone like me. Again, I may be totally wrong, and if I am, I apologize.

[RT Wolf]

Just so you guys know, you are asking for the secret to happiness. To be happy regardless of circumstances. I was about to write a blog entry about that. I might get it done today, might not. Essentially the idea is thus:

Physical things do not hold meanings in and of themselves. We, using our consciouesnesses, create that meaning and from that meaning (or interpretation), we feel certain ways about it. As someone quite wise wrote, there is a lookup table in our heads. Its not based by evolution, because I don't think Ogg the caveman had to deal with creditors. There are a few things that seem to be evolutionary based, such as a fear of snakes. That means the other option is that these look tables were inherited and influenced by society, parents, etc, and that means that you have the conscious ability to choose different meanings for the same symbols. Failure can mean different things to different people (ie, something to cry about, or something to learn from), just as the physical fact of waking up in the morning and finding your bank balance to be 50,000 dollars, would mean something different to me (hooray!) than it would be to a millionaire (holy crap, where'd all my money go? I'm practically poor!).

Also recognize you always have a choice. Even if it is to live or die. No one can force anything on you. Its the consequences of your choices that are the problem, but you always have a choice. "If I did not have a body, then what worries have I?" Puts things in perspective.

The big secret to happiness? It doesn't need a reason.

Excersize, proper sleep and proper diet help immensely.

[cylon]

ALG I'm interested too. But, all the things you have manifested money wise are things that you already "had", meaning you have insurance or this or that or whatever. I guess that's the least resistance the universe would take. I have a job, but no money I'm "expecting" from anywhere else, no former anything that I can think of that would have money involved. I just go to work every day, no assets or settlements or kids or anything so it's hard for me to imagine the success you're having.

Of course, I found $20 on the street on my birthday, and the next day a dollar in quarters in an empty apartment laundry room.

Here's another "that's got to be a coincidence" thing. I was reading the Hicks exercise of carrying around a $100 bill in my wallet, like I could mentally spend it and that would increase my feeings of wealth. I thought it was cheesy but decided, yes I'll take the actual time to go to the bank, wait in line, and ask to withdraw $100 from my account as a single bill. Later that day I was given my Christmas bonus which was made up of $100 bills. So I walked around with it in my wallet and would touch it whenever I bought something.

Come to think of it, this was a few days before I found that $20 in the street and dollar in quarters the next day. I wonder if they are related. I didn't link the two together until just now.

But $10,000 is a big amount. Maybe I should increase my amount.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by RT Wolf

Just so you guys know, you are asking for the secret to happiness. To be happy regardless of circumstances. I was about to write a blog entry about that. I might get it done today, might not. Essentially the idea is thus:

Physical things do not hold meanings in and of themselves. We, using our consciouesnesses, create that meaning and from that meaning (or interpretation), we feel certain ways about it. As someone quite wise wrote, there is a lookup table in our heads. Its not based by evolution, because I don't think Ogg the caveman had to deal with creditors. There are a few things that seem to be evolutionary based, such as a fear of snakes. That means the other option is that these look tables were inherited and influenced by society, parents, etc, and that means that you have the conscious ability to choose different meanings for the same symbols. Failure can mean different things to different people (ie, something to cry about, or something to learn from), just as the physical fact of waking up in the morning and finding your bank balance to be 50,000 dollars, would mean something different to me (hooray!) than it would be to a millionaire (holy crap, where'd all my money go? I'm practically poor!).

Also recognize you always have a choice. Even if it is to live or die. No one can force anything on you. Its the consequences of your choices that are the problem, but you always have a choice. "If I did not have a body, then what worries have I?" Puts things in perspective.

The big secret to happiness? It doesn't need a reason.

Excersize, proper sleep and proper diet help immensely.

This conversation we are all having is really, really, really important.

I'm not so sure, in my case, it's about happiness, although I know what you're saying -- to be detached, I have to feel like it's ok if I reach the monetary goal and it's ok if I don't.

To re-frame the question then: how does one effectively manifest X amount of money when she/he needs it, rather than just thinks it would be fun to have it? It truly is different, isn't it?

Or is it?

This conversation is really important because I keep feeling there is a key here that I can't quite reach that could be of immense benefit to people (like me) who need to manifest more income and have been having no end of trouble with this no matter how hard they work, and people who are in financial difficulty, and I think this is a reason why a lot of people find this website in the first place.

It's like when I said I can manifest a penny in 10 minutes, no problem. It's not just that a penny is a small amount -- it's because I don't need a penny. I've got plenty of pennies. So I can go out and manifest pennies all day long.

My ideas of manifesting pennies, though, all involve my already having at least 1000 times that amount in order to get my penny.

So I can't use the same formulas on manifesting $1000 because I don't have $100K sitting around to use to go get it.

This whole money issue, and acting like you have money in order to get money, is mystifying to me, because no matter how much I think about it, I don't know how to act like I have money when I don't have it.

One of my friends did this and eventually they came and repossessed his Explorer.

I try and align it with other episodes of lack. Say one moves to a new town and doesn't have any friends. How do you make friends? Be a friend. Go do things you would normally do with friends that involve meeting people. Ask people to go out for dinner. And so on.

That's easy for me. I don't know how that compares to achieving a monetary goal, however.

Once upon a time I had a friend who would never take 'no' for an answer if I didn't want to do something with her. I could not say "I don't really feel like it," because it would cause no end of trouble. And we ran in the same social circles, so I couldn't say, "I already have plans with Jen," because she could easily find out that wasn't true. So I made up a friend and named her Pam. And sometimes I would haul out this imaginary friend Pam to get me out of doing something I didn't want to do.

Within about a month, I wound up acquiring an actual friend named Pam and we are still good friends years later. This was extremely weird and cool for me. I sometimes refer to her by saying something like, "Tonight I'm going to the movies with my imaginary friend Pam."

I have absolutely no idea how to do this with money. I carry money around in my wallet, and instead of attracting more, eventually it gets spent on groceries and the like. The six gold-colored dollar coins that I mentioned as being 'wins' in one of my first postings, I keep on my desk, and I've steadily been making less money ever since I won them. I also keep a big container of change in the office to remind me I don't need to cash it in. Things are going steadily downhill. This is not my attitude. This is fact.

I can attract all sorts of other great experiences, but money . . . that is proving to be very tough, and I really seriously want/need this problem solved, and soon. And I'm willing to go on about this here because I can see there are a lot of other people who have this same issue.

[MrsCogan]

Originally Posted by Lil Chris

And there is the problem... Thinking science is the end all evaluation to everything... It's only 1 aspect to what we call life and consciousness...

Science is a study of nature. That's all. We exist in nature and nature is a consistent whole.

Nobody on this planet thinks science is the answer to everything. That's a straw man.

[MrsCogan]

Originally Posted by cdn2wheeler

I've avoided this thread so far because I've had other things on the go, but I'd like to make a couple of observations if I may:

The sense I get from almost all sides of the argument goes much along the lines of the Harley-Davidson rider ethos: If you ride one, you'll understand. If you don't, you can't understand.

A lot of that goes on here. It's a logical fallacy called special pleading. "I'm not wrong, you just don't understand me."

[moonrambler]

Everybody I know, knows I am having all these money issues. Why? Because I tell everybody. After the furnace debacle, I've really been telling everybody.

What would happen if I moved to a new town and went around telling everybody I don't have any friends? And don't know how to make friends. And have been having no end of trouble making friends. And I don't know what to do about it. And so on.

I wonder how easy it would be to create friendships if I did that?

Maybe I need to begin by projecting an attitude of abundance and confidence, rather than an attitude of lack. It seems very fake to me, because I will be lying. Yet if I went somewhere to meet new people and I was really nervous about it, I would not go there and act nervous -- I would go there and act confident, even if I would be lying. That would not bother me one bit!

It didn't even bother me to make up an imaginary friend Pam. That really was lying.

But to stop talking about money issues and instead project abundance -- why does that feel fake?

[MrsCogan]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Actually, Mrs Cogan, you frighten me in some ways - you just don't know it. You frighten me because in some ways (just a few ), we are very, very alike. In those particular ways, you're just like an early, primitive prototype of me.

Wow. I didn't know I as so powerful over other people.

I have a blog like that too. I too have strong opinions and I don't pull any punches, and this is particularly tricky in my little country which is ranked No. 140+ in the world for press freedom and a place where freedom of speech can't be taken for granted.

I am genuinely sorry about that. Governments should protect a person's rights, not decide which they can have and which they can't.

Regarding that blog, I am regularly sought after by the press for my views; I get invitations to debate with government ministers on national television; I get people travelling from overseas (eg from Harvard, USA) to interview me; I am mentioned in more PhD theses than I can recall; my blog articles are officially recorded in the nation's historical archives;

and the funny thing is, in relation to that blog, very few people even know my real name.

Anyway, another little secret for you. How did my blog get all this attention, and wouldn't you like yours to be just as widely read?

I used the Law of Attraction on my blog.

yes, everything that happens to you is all because of magic dust. It can't be because of your own work.

Tell me: Does the universe pay by check or cash? If a check, does the universe buy a stamp and put it in an envelope? or does the check just materialize on your dining room table? Which bank does the universe prefer?

[cylon]

Originally Posted by MrsCogan

Tell me: Does the universe pay by check or cash? If a check, does the universe buy a stamp and put it in an envelope? or does the check just materialize on your dining room table? Which bank does the universe prefer?

Well I found money. Or as you'd call it a "hit".

Hopefully ALG will respond to my post about the Hicks exercise of carrying $100.

[wolfgang]

From what I remember of those characters from the secret, there was the idea of being of service for other people. Or doing something that provides value. That is where money comes from. You do something that someone else sees as being of service for them or is of value for them and you get compensated. I think if someone needs to manifest money and makes intentions about it the hits you will get are ideas or oppertunities to provide service that is valuable to others that will be an avenue for extra earnings. Then one has to take plain old action. Not too magical, right? The more you think about what you are after, the more your head will come back with how to get that done. That is what the LoA writers have said (at least as I remember). It was some audio program from one of the secret characters that said something like, the question "how am I going to do that?" is very powerful to put in your head. "I want money" - "How am I going to do that?". But then it may not matter if you have an answer right away, just to get your head to go in the direction of a solution instead of just "I want more money". But, you know? that conflicts a bit with other LoA material that says the how is not for you to figure out, it's for the universe to unfold it for you - I say that is kind of true in the sense that you relax and be open to what comes across your sphere of life and pay attention and then workable solutions show up. Maybe it's just seeding your brain or subconscious and isn't really that mysterious. But there is something to intuition and following hunches along the way.

And maybe synchronicities are really just hit counts. Although, it's possible to feel like the present moment is just one big synchronicity and that is subjective and not very testable or provable.

The other thing is that people end up needing money because we spend more than we make, period. You might say, well I had to spend that money for these reasons - but what ever reasons it was more money going out than in. One may or may not be able to stop some of the money going out but that is often where to look to help with money issues - spend less. The latte factor is sneaky.

[mochamajesty]

Originally Posted by RT Wolf

Just so you guys know, you are asking for the secret to happiness. To be happy regardless of circumstances. I was about to write a blog entry about that. I might get it done today, might not. Essentially the idea is thus:

Physical things do not hold meanings in and of themselves. We, using our consciouesnesses, create that meaning and from that meaning (or interpretation), we feel certain ways about it. As someone quite wise wrote, there is a lookup table in our heads. Its not based by evolution, because I don't think Ogg the caveman had to deal with creditors. There are a few things that seem to be evolutionary based, such as a fear of snakes. That means the other option is that these look tables were inherited and influenced by society, parents, etc, and that means that you have the conscious ability to choose different meanings for the same symbols. Failure can mean different things to different people (ie, something to cry about, or something to learn from), just as the physical fact of waking up in the morning and finding your bank balance to be 50,000 dollars, would mean something different to me (hooray!) than it would be to a millionaire (holy crap, where'd all my money go? I'm practically poor!).

Also recognize you always have a choice. Even if it is to live or die. No one can force anything on you. Its the consequences of your choices that are the problem, but you always have a choice. "If I did not have a body, then what worries have I?" Puts things in perspective.

The big secret to happiness? It doesn't need a reason.

Excersize, proper sleep and proper diet help immensely.

To someone who suffered from depression for a long time, I can honestly say that if happiness doesn't need a reason, neither does sadness.

If LOA works, then I created those same circumstances with my thoughts/beliefs/etc. So it is only natural that I say: "Ok, I thought/believed my way into this mess; I want to think/believe my way out." That is where I am coming from.

For someone who believes in LOA/IM things don't just "happen", do they? I am really starting to wonder: what is the use of learning this if I am going to "don't worry, be happy" if I am homeless (for example). Why not use IM/LOA to not become homeless in the first place?

[cdn2wheeler]

Originally Posted by mochamajesty

TSo it is only natural that I say: "Ok, I thought/believed my way into this mess; I want to think/believe my way out."

Stop right there. Hold the phone.

What you're describing is a one-way ticket to hell. And to those that think I'm overstating the case, I assure you I'm not. I've been there, closer to the brink than I care to admit.

You cannot think your way out of clinical depression.

I want to repeat that for those who might be learning disabled:

You cannot think your way out of clinical depression.

Doesn't matter if you believe in LoA or not. It's simply not possible to emerge out of clinical depression (not just "the blues," but the actual clinical process whereby the brain's chemistry is all askew) by thinking happy thoughts. It's like asking the diabetic, "You can get over your diabetes if you just believe fervently enough."

The result can be nothing short of lethal, like trying to heal a gunshot wound with positive intentions. Sure, be happy, be positive and all the rest, but fercrissakes don't be stupid about it. People, quite literally, die like that.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by mochamajesty

Why not use IM/LOA to not become homeless in the first place?

I don't use IM/LOA to get stuff, but rather to generate ways of being. If I'm homeless and that doesn't work for me in living a life I love, I would use the principles of IM/LOA to generate a way of being that would inspire me, whatever that would be in the circumstances. It probably wouldn't be to "have a home" because that's a *having*, not a *being*.

Likewise, I don't have much respect for the "don't worry, be happy" ("Buck up!") school of thought, because it's just slapping a band-aid on an upsetting thought; it's not taking on a new, inspiring way of being or thinking, so I would just be holding onto old pain in my habitual old way, and covering it up.

I was diagnosed with depression a couple months ago, and I can see that it is a great, huge gift to me. I've been going along keeping along in an area of my life that's been causing me pain for awhile, and this depression, along with saying this out loud to you, has really pounded home the benefit of me taking my own advice and generating a new way of being in this area. In this area of my life, I can see myself very clearly in MrsCogan -- and while what I'm seeing here works for many people in many areas, it's not working for me in creating something I love.

For being my mirror buddy, I thank you very much, MrsCogan! I will use the principles of IM/LOA, along with my own special coaching, to generate a new way of being that works well in generating a life I love.

Thanks very much to all of you for reminding me of that. Sometimes I want to say to myself: Duh!

[Angela]

....cdn was posting at the same time I was, and thanks to him and others, too, who encouraged me to get help from professionals to deal with my depression -- that is certainly a big part of intending well-being!

[mochamajesty]

Originally Posted by cdn2wheeler

Stop right there. Hold the phone.

What you're describing is a one-way ticket to hell. And to those that think I'm overstating the case, I assure you I'm not. I've been there, closer to the brink than I care to admit.

You cannot think your way out of clinical depression.

I want to repeat that for those who might be learning disabled:

You cannot think your way out of clinical depression.

Doesn't matter if you believe in LoA or not. It's simply not possible to emerge out of clinical depression (not just "the blues," but the actual clinical process whereby the brain's chemistry is all askew) by thinking happy thoughts. It's like asking the diabetic, "You can get over your diabetes if you just believe fervently enough."

The result can be nothing short of lethal, like trying to heal a gunshot wound with positive intentions. Sure, be happy, be positive and all the rest, but fercrissakes don't be stupid about it. People, quite literally, die like that.

I don't know how to respond to this. Stupid? Learning disabled?

First, I said "suffered" from depression. Past tense. The mess that I was referring to is actually a situation in my life which led me to seek out LOA/IM in the first place. It has nothing to do with depression. My depression remark was aimed at the poster who said that we were looking for (paraphrasing), happiness, no matter what the circumstances, and that happiness was a choice. To those suffering (or who have suffered) from depression, happiness is not a choice and diet and exercise have nothing to do with it.

I guess I could have written my post another way; perhaps it was the learning disability....

[mochamajesty]

Likewise, I don't have much respect for the "don't worry, be happy" ("Buck up!") school of thought, because it's just slapping a band-aid on an upsetting thought; it's not taking on a new, inspiring way of being or thinking, so I would just be holding onto old pain in my habitual old way, and covering it up.

You know, Angela, that is the problem that I am having with the Hicks' way of LOA. I am not "naturally" happy, so I just can't turn it on at will. Their Emotional Guidance Scale seems too simplistic sometimes. Or maybe that is just my old way of thinking rearing it's ugly head? I think that the more that I think about this, the more confused I get.

[Angela]

mochamajesty, for me the Abraham/Hicks LOA boils down very simply: Deliberately think thoughts that feel good when you think them.

It's not about turning on happiness, like it's a switch you can throw; it's about being aware of your thinking and what it's creating for you, and if it's creating a feeling you don't like, deliberately and incrementally generate a thought that will give you a little relief, and get you into an upward spiral (or thinking downstream thoughts, as they put it.)

I think we get ourselves into downward spiral ("upstream") and it becomes so habitual that we identify with our negative thinking, we think that's just Who We Are. Like: "I am not naturally happy" (identification) as opposed to "I habitually think thoughts that don't necessarily generate happiness for me" (choice).

In my experience, clinical depression interferes with the ease in which I can get myself relief by thinking downstream thoughts, so it's more of a challenge -- and I don't think my depression is too severe, so it's probably much harder for some depressed people.

Have you seen the latest Hicks book, "The Astonishing Power of Emotions"? They talk a lot in there about this notion of just giving yourself a little relief. Maybe you would enjoy reading it.

In any case, it's easy for me to see the "natural happiness" in you, because when we're communicating, you make happiness present for me. My experience of you is natural happiness, so it must be in there somewhere!

[mochamajesty]

Originally Posted by Angela

mochamajesty, for me the Abraham/Hicks LOA boils down very simply: Deliberately think thoughts that feel good when you think them.

It's not about turning on happiness, like it's a switch you can throw; it's about being aware of your thinking and what it's creating for you, and if it's creating a feeling you don't like, deliberately and incrementally generate a thought that will give you a little relief, and get you into an upward spiral (or thinking downstream thoughts, as they put it.)

I think we get ourselves into downward spiral ("upstream") and it becomes so habitual that we identify with our negative thinking, we think that's just Who We Are. Like: "I am not naturally happy" (identification) as opposed to "I habitually think thoughts that don't necessarily generate happiness for me" (choice).

In my experience, clinical depression interferes with the ease in which I can get myself relief by thinking downstream thoughts, so it's more of a challenge -- and I don't think my depression is too severe, so it's probably much harder for some depressed people.

Have you seen the latest Hicks book, "The Astonishing Power of Emotions"? They talk a lot in there about this notion of just giving yourself a little relief. Maybe you would enjoy reading it.

In any case, it's easy for me to see the "natural happiness" in you, because when we're communicating, you make happiness present for me. My experience of you is natural happiness, so it must be in there somewhere!

Angela,

Thanks for your kind words. I do not have the newest book, but I have heard many good things about it.

I thought that I realized that I control my thoughts, but I after re-reading my post, I guess I still have some tweaking to do. You are right, it is an identity rather than a choice.

I think I want to make this Quantam Leap because I am afraid. I am afraid that if I only take a small step, that I will get small results. Meaning, that if I only change my thoughts to get a little bit of relief, then my situation won't change that much. I want to permanantly change my thoughts so that I start seeing great results. But, I am where I am, as Abe would say!

[Angela]

Originally Posted by mochamajesty

I want to permanantly change my thoughts so that I start seeing great results.

I've developed a coaching technique to achieve just that -- a breakthrough in permanently changing thoughts and seeing great results. I've been procrastinating about getting myself up and running, and I'm really inspired now to let go of my old pain, and get my website going so I can make this breakthrough available to more people. I've seen some amazing transformation, and some spiral redirections from downward to upward using this technique. This is something I'd really like to do with my life -- make a difference for others.

These forums have been so richly kicking my butt and inspiring me to take my own coaching and live my life on purpose. I'm telling you now, mochamajesty, that I'm committed to having my website and business up and running no later than January 30th. Saying that out loud is so scary! And I am now accountable. Yikes! Thank you so much for listening and inspiring me and scaring the crap out of me.

Lots of love,
Angela

[cylon]

I've learned to just keep saying to myself "find the better feeling thought--find the better feeling thought--"

It works but it's not what you're used to if you're feeling down. The Hicks books say that if you're at depression, you don't have access to ultimate happiness in that MOMENT. But you can move up the scale, by feeling a LITTLE better, and so forth. I think eventually, your "set point" increases. For myself my bad feelings go through cycles but I'm learning to refuse to go all the way down to the bottom again. It's a habit you cultivate by practice.

What I have noticed is real resitance to searching for those better feeling thoughts. We are addicted to our pain and it's challenging to let go of that addiction.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by MrsCogan

I've asked you twice now for the paper on the water experiment. I've read several versions of it on the web and none of them were double blinded. Nothing but evidence is going to "attract my attention." How about coming up with some?

Oh, sorry. I did get your PM earlier, but you didn't give your email address, and I only have the paper in PDF format (the private messaging system on Steve's forum doesn't allow me to upload PDF files).

Anyway, I've now printed out the paper and here are the scanned images:


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Well, Mrs Cogan, I don't think I will be discussing with you or responding to your comments any further in this thread. I don't mean to be rude - it's just that our respective belief systems on reality etc are just too far apart for engagement, so we would just be wasting each other's time. Whatever meaningful discussion we could have, we've probably already had.

(And I do believe that for many readers, this has actually turned out to be a very interesting thread - certainly you contributed to that).

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

Once upon a time I had a friend who would never take 'no' for an answer if I didn't want to do something with her. I could not say "I don't really feel like it," because it would cause no end of trouble. And we ran in the same social circles, so I couldn't say, "I already have plans with Jen," because she could easily find out that wasn't true. So I made up a friend and named her Pam. And sometimes I would haul out this imaginary friend Pam to get me out of doing something I didn't want to do.

Within about a month, I wound up acquiring an actual friend named Pam and we are still good friends years later. This was extremely weird and cool for me. I sometimes refer to her by saying something like, "Tonight I'm going to the movies with my imaginary friend Pam."

I love this story! It is, as you say, REALLY weird and REALLY cool.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

The way you went about manifesting this is not at all the typical advice I see about IM, or practices that are like IM, such as Napoleon Hill's writings. There is so much commentary about how you can't just meditate and expect something to happen, you have to make a plan, write it down, say affirmations, go out in the world and work the plan . . . it's more like IM will speed up the process and make it more effective . . . but I don't tend to see people stating that one can go into a deep meditative state and manifest $10,000!

Aha ... You haven't really read Abraham Hicks or Deepak Chopra then.

I have nothing against action. Any action I take is, after all, a direct result of my thought & intention.

But the direct result of my thought & intention is not merely my own action.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by RT Wolf

Physical things do not hold meanings in and of themselves. We, using our consciouesnesses, create that meaning and from that meaning (or interpretation), we feel certain ways about it. As someone quite wise wrote, there is a lookup table in our heads. Its not based by evolution, because I don't think Ogg the caveman had to deal with creditors. There are a few things that seem to be evolutionary based, such as a fear of snakes. That means the other option is that these look tables were inherited and influenced by society, parents, etc, and that means that you have the conscious ability to choose different meanings for the same symbols. Failure can mean different things to different people (ie, something to cry about, or something to learn from), just as the physical fact of waking up in the morning and finding your bank balance to be 50,000 dollars, would mean something different to me (hooray!) than it would be to a millionaire (holy crap, where'd all my money go? I'm practically poor!).

Also recognize you always have a choice. Even if it is to live or die. No one can force anything on you. Its the consequences of your choices that are the problem, but you always have a choice. "If I did not have a body, then what worries have I?" Puts things in perspective.

Wolf, you have really ....... GROWN ..... a lot, since the time I first noticed you on Steve's forums.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by cylon

ALG I'm interested too. But, all the things you have manifested money wise are things that you already "had", meaning you have insurance or this or that or whatever. I guess that's the least resistance the universe would take. I have a job, but no money I'm "expecting" from anywhere else, no former anything that I can think of that would have money involved. I just go to work every day, no assets or settlements or kids or anything so it's hard for me to imagine the success you're having.

When I did that manifestation yesterday, I did not have a clue where the money might come from. So my position was not much different from yours now. You too have no clue where your money might come from.

After my money had come, it would be possible for me, with the benefit of hindsight, to find "rational", "believable" and "realistic" explanations for how the money had come. For example -

"Oh, the government must have already been considering licensing that school, and it was just by coincidence that the approval was given on the very same day that I manifested for 10K."

Now, assuming that money does come to you (Cylon), then after it has come, you would, if you wanted to, definitely be able (with the benefit of hindsight) to find "rational", "believable" and "realistic" explanations for such an occurrence.

Why? Because the money, if it does come to you, will surely come in a manner that is consistent with how YOUR reality works. The money cannot come in an inconsistent manner. Why?

Because your reality is created by your thoughts, and nothing enters your reality that wasn't drawn by your thoughts. If money enters your reality, it can only come in ways consistent with the reality which your thoughts have created.

If you believed that it is possible for money to fall out of the sky in front of you, then it will be possible for money to come in this way.

If you can bring yourself to believe that money MUST and WILL fall out of the sky in front of you, then money MUST and WILL come in this way.

And some people will laugh and say, "But money doesn't fall out of the sky, that's just impossible and ALG is crazy."

But of course it is possible and of course I am not crazy. Money falling out of the sky would hardly be the most bizarre thing that has ever happened in this universe. Anyway it has already happened before:

BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | Japan cash windfall creates dilemmas
The Raw Story | Mystery money in Japan appears in mailboxes, falls from sky
Mystery money in Japan appears in mailboxes, falls from sky

And the BBC even found some "rational", "believable" and "realistic" explanations for the above.

Now, if it is possible for money to fall out of the sky, do you not see that there must be numerous different and "realistic" ways that money might possibly come to you? Ways which are much more probable than money falling out of the sky?

The fact that you have "no assets or settlements or kids or anything" - do you really see that as a big obstacle for the universe?

[cylon]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Now, if it is possible for money to fall out of the sky, do you not see that there must be numerous different and "realistic" ways that money might possibly come to you?

The fact that you have "no assets or settlements or kids or anything" - do you really see that as an insurmountable obstacle for the universe?

No, of course not. And money did fall out of the sky when I found that $20 on the street and a dollar the next day (of course it fell out of someone's pocket perhaps)

Right now that's the only way I can "See it" so that's what's happened. Right after my Hicks' exercise of carrying around the $100 bill.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by cdn2wheeler

What you're describing is a one-way ticket to hell. And to those that think I'm overstating the case, I assure you I'm not. I've been there, closer to the brink than I care to admit.

You cannot think your way out of clinical depression.

I want to repeat that for those who might be learning disabled:

You cannot think your way out of clinical depression.

Doesn't matter if you believe in LoA or not. It's simply not possible to emerge out of clinical depression (not just "the blues," but the actual clinical process whereby the brain's chemistry is all askew) by thinking happy thoughts.

Let me be very practical about this.

You have created your reality with your thoughts. Your reality is complex, multi-faceted and rich - there are all sorts of things in it.

Those things include illnesses - such as depression. Those things also include resources to deal with illnesses - such as doctors and medicines.

If you unfortunately have an illness that you created (and bear in mind that all illnesses in your reality are created by you), then be grateful for the resources that you have created in your reality for dealing with illnesses - such as doctors and medicines.

So use these resources. You created them, after all.

And bear in mind that not all other creators have created such resources in their reality. If they have created such resources in their reality, the resources may nevertheless be difficult to access. For example, you could be a poor orphan born in some remote AIDS-stricken village in Africa, far away from any doctor or medicine.

Now, while using these resources, don't forget that you also have another powerful resource at your disposal - your thoughts. These allow you to consciously create and shape your reality. So use this resource.

Bear in mind though that your ability to use this resource is limited. It can be cultivated and expanded - that's what almost all of us here (barring Mrs Cogan and a few others) - are trying to do, but it's limited.

So concurrently, use your other resources that you have created. You know, doctors and medicines etc.