LOA--clarification on terms please....

[Floridagal]

For me LOA is a process that does require a variety of steps that should be utilized would it be over a short period of time or a long period of time. It is like there are basic rules for this journey...

I have read a bunch of posts when people attribute a desirable outcome to LOA. I think that some of them were attributed to an action, some of them for that opportunity that was given by the universe, and some to that opportunities that the universe gave to you and you acted on them...

In the majority of posts I could NOt smell a proper launching of LOA but the conclusion was it was because of LOA..

E.g. I always wanted to go to Yosemite Natinal Park. Eventually I called a friend who lives in CA and asked her to join me. It was a lovely trip because I always wanted to go. Did I apply LOA to that recreational trip. I would say no.

The majority of people (of course not all of them) write about some things that they wanted and received and explain it as implication of LOA.... When I read those posts I can't really track significant signs of manifestation process at all...

There may be some dreams, hopes, prayers and etc. but not clearl LOA. I would say in at least 70% of responses in section WHAT HAVE YOU RECENTLY MANIFESTED the actual LOA is not clearly presented....

Your thoughts would be kindly appreciated......

[cylon]

If you review the posts written to you, you will see the same "themes" repeated over and over.

Detach from the outcome.
Don't worry about it.
Just try to have fun with it.
The best things happen when you're in the best mood.
The worst things happen when you're in the worst mood.
You have never NOT been a MASTER at LOA. Every single thing in your life, RIGHT NOW, is a result of YOUR THOUGHTS---Good OR bad (based on your opinion of what good or bad is).

[jeff3]

Originally Posted by Floridagal

For me LOA is a process that does require a variety of steps that should be utilized would it be over a short period of time or a long period of time. It is like there are basic rules for this journey...

I have read a bunch of posts when people attribute a desirable outcome to LOA. I think that some of them were attributed to an action, some of them for that opportunity that was given by the universe, and some to that opportunities that the universe gave to you and you acted on them...

In the majority of posts I could NOt smell a proper launching of LOA but the conclusion was it was because of LOA..

E.g. I always wanted to go to Yosemite Natinal Park. Eventually I called a friend who lives in CA and asked her to join me. It was a lovely trip because I always wanted to go. Did I apply LOA to that recreational trip. I would say no.

The majority of people (of course not all of them) write about some things that they wanted and received and explain it as implication of LOA.... When I read those posts I can't really track significant signs of manifestation process at all...

There may be some dreams, hopes, prayers and etc. but not clearl LOA. I would say in at least 70% of responses in section WHAT HAVE YOU RECENTLY MANIFESTED the actual LOA is not clearly presented....

Your thoughts would be kindly appreciated......

Congratulations, you have successfully attracted skepticism!

My opinion seems to differ from a lot of other posters here , but I feel that every instant of our lives is a "manifestation" and is attracted to us via LOA. What you are looking for is examples where people use primarily mental action to cause change in their circumstances. Most of the time we un-consciously use LOA and you are looking for times when it is used consciously and deliberately, same thing different channel. It seems that you do not want to attribute it to LOA unless it "appears" miraculous or involves quantum leaps. It could be that your mixed observations are caused by mixed beliefs/feelings about LOA.

You wanted to go to Yosemite Park ....... you went. = success

You are also applying objective reasoning to someone else's subjective experiences. I'm sure that in many, if not most of the responses in "what have you manifested lately" There are aspects of the stories that are difficult to put into words like the gut feelings, the intuited ideas, the subjective..... the things that only means something to the ones having the experience.

[Lisa McGregor]

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Originally Posted by Floridagal

E.g. I always wanted to go to Yosemite Natinal Park. Eventually I called a friend who lives in CA and asked her to join me. It was a lovely trip because I always wanted to go. Did I apply LOA to that recreational trip. I would say no.

Hi Floridagal. Yes, you're absolutely right. You didn't apply the LOA to that trip. But, if you had just made your desire of visiting Yosemite National Park clear to the universe and then waited for an outcome, believing that there would be one, perhaps your friend would have phoned you out of the blue and invited you to join her. That would have been LOA in action.With LOA your desires come to you, you don't have to go looking for them.

have a wonderful day
Lisa

[dancer]

Hi Floridagal,

It is difficult to judge the manifestation process of others by a few lines in a post. I think the question here is your own belief in LOA. I have followed your posts in this forum and can relate to your frustration. I too want to spend Christmas with my family, but will not, so I really do understand your disappointment.

I have a few questions for you:

Think about all of your current intentions, do you have any that might be in conflict with you travelling to Europe over Xmas? Will travelling to Europe impact your studies? Do you like flying? Do you intend meeting a romantic partner? Only you know your intentions, but be sure there are no conflicts.

How does not getting your greencard in tiime to travel to Europe for Xmas make you feel/think about you? Forget about what it implies re. LOA, I mean you. What are the thoughts coming up? Do you feel like a victim of life? Do things always work out for you? Have you been demanding the universe? What have you learned about yourself from this situation?

What are you grateful for?

[Floridagal]

I actually think it is a good set of quastions. They make sound simple but I guess for some of them answers may be somewhat complicated. I do not afraid to fly and it doesn't impact my studies (after 12 years of college I figured out it was enough). LOL.

I had people who invited me for X-mas to their house and people who invited me for New Year to their house. The second group I know better and kinda like an idea.

The whole GC delay does affect a lot of aspects of my life professional, personal, and financial. It was suppose to be here in June 2006 and no one in terms of phone calls, letters, attorney's action and etc can't fix this backlog. That is why I have launched LOA about a year ago knowing that it was time and the option I definitely have to utilize.

But I guess it is more similar to immigration thread (LOL) versus LOA thread...

[dancer]

Perhaps, I chose the wrong post to add my comments, but your general theme seems to come from frustration with LOA. My questions aimed to gravel at your resistance. I understand that this is a public area and respect that you have avoided posting your personal feelings and kept to the practical effects of the greencard delay.

I am glad you will have a nice Xmas and fun New Year.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Floridagal

I have read a bunch of posts when people attribute a desirable outcome to LOA. I think that some of them were attributed to an action, some of them for that opportunity that was given by the universe, and some to that opportunities that the universe gave to you and you acted on them...

In the majority of posts I could NOt smell a proper launching of LOA but the conclusion was it was because of LOA.

As usual, my old recommendation -

if you want to have a much better idea of how your thoughts affect reality, keep a detailed blog or diary. Write about:

(a) your intentions, thoughts and moods; and

(b) actual events in your life.

Over time, you will have many aha! moments as you browse through your old entries. You'll see for instance that you manifested an intention X on Monday, and then on Wednesday it happened, like a strange coincidence. Etc.

You will still experience hits and misses, because you, like everyone else on this plane, are still learning about the LOA. As time goes on and you keep at it, you'll find that the number of significant hits will increase, while the number of significant misses will decrease.

Well, anyway, that has been my own experience. I have had three blogs for doing this - here, here and here - and also several notebooks.

I find that blogs are useful for the automatic chronological features, and for the ability to hyperlink - you can write about an event A that happened today and hyperlink to the post three weeks ago where you recorded your IM to make Event A happen.

Notebooks, however, are also practical - because you can just carry a little notebook around with you, and when things happen or you do a quick on-the-fly manifestation, eg between meetings at work, or while sitting on a train, you can quickly record it down. If you wait till you get to a computer, you might have forgotten about it.

[Floridagal]

Great advice on note books indeed. But some poeple fail it because they are much stronger on memorising. I guess it has to with a learning style and possible professional education.... I also feel that spirit is not allowing me to do do so and blocks it. I did try it but I am somewhat better to keep it in my head. But the advise in general is very very good.

[Lil Chris]

Originally Posted by Floridagal

But some poeple fail it because they are much stronger on memorising.

The mind should be used as a processing tool or more importantly a creative device... Not as a storage device.

[Acting Like Godot]

I'm using notebooks also because ever since I've started playing with LOA, I've developed new respect for my own thoughts. When a constructive idea or useful thought pops into my mind, I quickly jot it down so that I will remember to do something with it later.

[Lil Chris]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

I'm using notebooks also because ever since I've started playing with LOA, I've developed new respect for my own thoughts. When a constructive idea or useful thought pops into my mind, I quickly jot it down so that I will remember to do something with it later.

(not to deviate from Floridagal's original post but...)

ALG,
This is a great idea... Currently I'm on sort of a database kick (although I don't know much about them) but, it seems like your idea with the note book combined with a database would be useful. What I'm thinking is when you're out and about jot those thoughts down onto a notebook like you currently do, (include things like date, time, the thought etc...) then input them into a database for later review to more easily identify patterns of maybe thoughts, or manifestations, or syncronicities or whatever... The database could do custom sort patterns by various fields, successes/failures, amount of time until manifestation, manifest vs non manifest ratios etc...

What are your thoughts...?

[Acting Like Godot]

Mmmm. It sounds a little too troublesome & time-consuming for me .... My notebooks are really for "quick-&-rough" scribblings. But if it works for you, it works for you.

[Jennihul]

As time goes on, I have refined my ideas about LOA significantly. I started like the people in The Secret, learning fun simple steps which eventually developed into deep, meaningful levels of knowledge.

I think it seems like Floridagal is WANTING this to be a magical process. Like as if there really was a genie, not just a metaphor of a genie. If it seems to her like human action is causing the outcome, she thinks it can't be the LOA.

When we use LOA, and here is where I differ from the simplicity of The Secret, I don't think we are manifesting "a trip" or "a car." We use LOA, in combination with feeling wonderful and being gracious and feeling gratitude, to manifest like circumstances in our life. So broken down the equation would look like this:

Feel great + gratitude= great circumstances

The circumstances themselves are not specific. They are not the manifestation of actual things, events or people or jobs or stuff. Just life giving you great circumstances.

Now when you yourself, your human self, has cultivated this level of goodness, mixed with the power of attraction, it is YOU that takes the specific actions or steps (visualization, planning, noticing synchronicities) that causes "the car" or "your perfect partner" or your riches or your career to blossom into reality.

I agree that specific things can be directly manifested but not by the average schlub who is just dabbling. More likely we are manifesting great circumstances and good things always flow from that. It is you that makes the specific choices possible.

Jennifer