Does Universe have an ego and a mind of it's own?

[Jack]

Does Universe have an ego and a mind of it's own?Is universe a seperated entity from us?

I sometimes hear sentences like "Universe handle all the details",so seems like at least it has a mind of his own,and Universe is seperated from us.

Also,in "A Course in Miracles",when i heard that "prayer is the communication between created and creator"If this is true,then i feel like there is a God seperated from us,he is the creator,and we should pray him,praise him...A course in Miracles really uses too much Christian terms,and this confuses me.

[wolfgang]

There are two beliefs out there. One is that God is outside of creation as something else. The other is that God is pervasive throughout everything in the present moment. I tend to disagree with the God is something outside of creation as a seperate entity, but I have no way of pointing at anything to back that up.

"Let the Universe handle everything else" - I think is not to say that you are not of the universe, but to not be so controlling of what is from the ego "want something else all the time" state. It's a statement that acknoweldges that there is a big part of us that is the universe or higher self or soul that is "the you" that isn't clingy like the ego. It's turning your ego over so that your spirit can come through you better/easier. However, from the ego point of view, it would feel like giving up and letting something else (god/universe) move you. That's because the ego is an expert at seperating - it's not that god/universe is seperate. I hope eventually my ego stops being so clingy and lets god through me. When that happens, I think the ego will still be there but it won't be stuck or generating agruments with reality so much, so the ego will probalby be happier.

[Jack]

In addition to my question,what do you people think about prayers/praising/begging?

[impaul99]

In ACIM the idea is that this physical world is created by the Ego, and God has absolutely nothing to do with it. It's like a dream that one has. This is why everything in this world is forgiven by God, because none of it is real.

Therefore, when one says "Universe, please allow this to happen." it is really a call to yourself. You're really asking yourself permission to allow "this" to happen.

A coach I used to work with would ask me a question like this:
Coach: "What do you want to create?"
Paul: "I want the universe to give me ___________"
Coach: "And who is the universe?"
Paul: "........................uhm...................... ......Me."

It's a bit hard to explain within a forum because I don't know what your existing beliefs already are, but I would suggest reading "The DIsappearance of the Universe" and "Your Immortal Reality" if you haven't already.

Might help.

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by Jack

Does Universe have an ego and a mind of it's own?Is universe a seperated entity from us?

I sometimes hear sentences like "Universe handle all the details",so seems like at least it has a mind of his own,and Universe is seperated from us.

Also,in "A Course in Miracles",when i heard that "prayer is the communication between created and creator"If this is true,then i feel like there is a God seperated from us,he is the creator,and we should pray him,praise him...A course in Miracles really uses too much Christian terms,and this confuses me.

You can actually look at it in many different ways, and they are all right. And they are also all wrong, depending on how you look at it. There exists a state of ultimate freedom of choice and creation. Some call this state of consciousness God. The difference between potential and actual at this place is moot. They are one and the same. The "tiny mad thought" course in miracles refers to is the perception we are separate from all that is. In exploring this perception, which is paradoxical to the concept of oneness and nonduality, a reality was observed with opposite characteristics from the previous one. A world of boundaries, levels, and separation, in otherwords.

So, from the perspective of your human ego rooted in an earthly body, with earthly concerns, there is a God separate from you, if you believe there is.... From the perspective of your REAL self, you are God, and your ego doesn't really exist relative to the Oneness. All realities arise from the frames of reference of the observers who occupy them. Clear as mud right?

[Jack]

Thanks for your answers

Then,why A Course in Miracles say something like this "Praise is the communication between created and creator"?

I have read "Disappearence of The Universe" then started reading Acim and also working on Acim with my therapist.I get confused after starting Acim.But The Disappearence of The Universe was good,but doesn't talk about beliefs much if i remember true.While i was reading that book,i had a feeling like beliefs don't matter.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by Jack

Does Universe have an ego and a mind of it's own?Is universe a seperated entity from us?

I sometimes hear sentences like "Universe handle all the details",so seems like at least it has a mind of his own,and Universe is seperated from us.

If you mean the physical universe, then I think it has no ego or mind. It just space and matter without life. It is not conscious.
It is not an 'entity'- it is just garbage floating out there.
Why the hell would anyone want to be consciousness as dead rocks spinning around in space?
However, each one of us is spirit, and we are not garbage.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Jack

Thanks for your answers

Then,why A Course in Miracles say something like this "Praise is the communication between created and creator"?

I have read "Disappearence of The Universe" then started reading Acim and also working on Acim with my therapist.I get confused after starting Acim.But The Disappearence of The Universe was good,but doesn't talk about beliefs much if i remember true.While i was reading that book,i had a feeling like beliefs don't matter.

I like to think all beliefs are limiting. So then I go w/ you on feeling like beliefs dont' matter.

I don't know what the Course in Miracles means by that "Praise is the communication between created and creator" but it sounds like a belief that there is a seperation between a creator and the created (or creation). This is one of the common beliefs (like Christians believe this) that God is outside of creation.

Now it may be that there is a seperation between a creator and creation, but that is our mind doing that defining. I just thought maybe the belief in oneness of everything would include both the creator and creation together as one. Like a superset or higher level of abstraction, oneness brings all dualities to light as mutually arising and dependant on each other. And also with definitions that seperate "parts". So even God and creation are mutually arising definitions that are dependant on each other. I think even a Christian would agree that God doesn't exist without creation and creation wouldn't exist without God. But the thought or defining of God and creation is our mind and language.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Cantando

If you mean the physical universe, then I think it has no ego or mind. It just space and matter without life. It is not conscious.
It is not an 'entity'- it is just garbage floating out there.
Why the hell would anyone want to be consciousness as dead rocks spinning around in space?
However, each one of us is spirit, and we are not garbage.

The consciousness of the ego and seperating functions of our minds is not the same as the consciousness of nature and the universe. Rocks don't have human spirit, that's for sure, but they have their own character and exsistance and are also part of creation and as such are of the creator. Logically one can say that all that exists came to form and becoming a form is the creator doing creating. But those definitions just makes the two seem like seperate parts of a system, when really they are allways one. The form can not be without the creator (the mechanism that creates) and the creator can not be anything without having forms. What would a creator be that doesn't create anything? What would a form be that wasn't created?

[mlbr23]

I believe neither in a separate nor an inclusive God.

Anyway, theological talks aside, I prefer to be more involved in what is withIN ME rather than thinking about an entity that is OUT there, separate from me.

No matter what you believe, ultimately it is still up to you to take inspired action to make manifest your intention into a reality.

[Jack]

Thanks for your answers.

I want to correct my mistake,i said that in A Course in Miracles it is written "Praise is the communication between created and creator".The right sentence is "Prayer is the communication between created and creator"
But still when i read this sentence i feel like there is a seperation between creator and created-creation...

But also,i want to ask,is praying work?

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by Jack

Thanks for your answers.

I want to correct my mistake,i said that in A Course in Miracles it is written "Praise is the communication between created and creator".The right sentence is "Prayer is the communication between created and creator"
But still when i read this sentence i feel like there is a seperation between creator and created-creation...

But also,i want to ask,is praying work?

There is an illusory separation between what you think of as your "self" and what you think of as your creator. You, in reality, are both because separation isn't really possible. You are having a cosmic dream about a hypothetical situation. It is much like when you dream at night and you think you are somewhere else, and then you wake up and realize you weren't really there.

As to your other question, whether prayer is work is up to you. Now if that was a typo, and you meant to ask, "does praying work?" That is also up to you. It can work, if you do it right, but doing it right is a whole other can of worms.

[Jack]

If my prayer works,is this cause God loves me,and my prayer made him happy and so he made my wish a reality?(i know it isn't but still want to hear the answer )

[Jollykman]

Im assuming you're talking about Christian God. Another thing I want to add is I just had a moment of clarity on MSN that made my search up this topic on google, this is what I got:

I disproved Christian God way back when I was very young, around 6 or 7 years old. Mainly because of the controversies of the words, Sin, Good and Evil (I'm not used to explaining myself to other people so please don't be too harsh if I don't fully explain myself).

It started when kids bothered me at school. I'd think to myself in my bedroom at night "Why God, why would you let this happen to me. I've done everything I can to make myself a good person. Why am I always hurt like this?" and then I thought about what makes sin and realized that it is subjective and objective at the same time, thus sin is intangible. So I created my own religion which is to reward good deeds as I see them. Because the Mind in itself as you touched on is its own separate universe. Thus to myself I am a god.

As for my opinion for prayer/begging, think about who you are praying too. An entity whom you've never seen? Or could you really be praying to yourself (a god). If you've ever heard of the book "the secret" which explains basically (never read it myself, but my mother has told me about it) that if you believe in yourself (god) you can accomplish your dreams.

I really hope I got my point across and that it doesn't sound like non-sense on your side =P. Please if you can, ask me questions to clarify or pointers on improvement. Thanks guys =]

[fascinoma]

I'm probably the minority opinion here, but this is just my opinion...

"The mind of the universe" IMHO is the collective will of everyone. And IMHO it's easier to manifest something others want you to have, for just that reason. You're just getting yourself out of the way to allow yourself to be an agent of the collective will of society. It's easier to manifest money in America than if you're stuck at the bottom of a caste system somewhere. Not impossible. But you have less working against you.

(I figured this out because I was trying to manifest a mate as a closeted lesbian. It. Didn't. Happen.)

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by fascinoma

I'm probably the minority opinion here, but this is just my opinion...

"The mind of the universe" IMHO is the collective will of everyone. And IMHO it's easier to manifest something others want you to have, for just that reason. You're just getting yourself out of the way to allow yourself to be an agent of the collective will of society. It's easier to manifest money in America than if you're stuck at the bottom of a caste system somewhere. Not impossible. But you have less working against you.

(I figured this out because I was trying to manifest a mate as a closeted lesbian. It. Didn't. Happen.)

But it also is easier to manifest money in America because it's easier to believe you can, and because you probably already have some money in America than if you're stuck at the bottom of a caste system somewhere. I don't think it's because the collective will wants someone in America to have money and someone at the bottom of a caste system not to.

It certainly seems to be easier for someone who already has $50,000 to manifest $5,000 than it is for someone who has $500 to manifest $5,000. Doesn't it?

In reading around here, I do see quite a bit of evidence that people get good at manifesting more of what they already have. It's harder for a person to start manifesting stuff they are really lacking in -- though certainly not impossible by any means. I get very inspired reading the stories of people who are able to manifest when they don't already have a tangible foundation for it.

It seems that it would be a whole lot easier to manifest a relationship as a public lesbian rather than as a closeted lesbian, and that wouldn't have anything to do with the collective will of society!

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by Jack

If my prayer works,is this cause God loves me,and my prayer made him happy and so he made my wish a reality?(i know it isn't but still want to hear the answer )

The Christian explanation probably goes something like:
If your prayer to God works, i.e. you got what you prayed for, then thank God. If you didn't get what you wanted, then it wasn't in your best interest to get it, but still thank God anyway! God loves you either way, whether you pray or not. Also, the answer may be delayed in order to test your patience!
If you don't believe in God, read: the Universe/Higher Self, or whatever.

[fascinoma]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

It seems that it would be a whole lot easier to manifest a relationship as a public lesbian rather than as a closeted lesbian, and that wouldn't have anything to do with the collective will of society!

I actually met her through an online lesbian community. But before actually coming out, I used to hope someone would just show up. And I had to deal with negative attitudes from people who weren't enrolled in my vision. After I was out, I was pretty much filtering in only the people who were positive toward my vision. It was easier to believe in that vision.

[cssc]

OK- as a former church going spirit-filled Christian- it does say right in the Bible "God inhabits the praises of his people." ( I believe that's in the psalms, but I can't look it up because my Strongs Concordance of the Bible is in a box because I'm believing for moving to a nicer place!) So that's where your course on miracles gets that from.

When you understand that the Holy Spirit is the creative force of God (Genesis- "moved upon the waters" or something like that- in Hebrew it's 'Ruach'- life breath), that we all have a little Holy Spirit in us because that's what we were created from (even if you never get "filled", it's still there) then you can understand why you too, can create. We are all connected to, containing, & part of that life force ( & inanimate things are, too).

That being said, I agree with another poster on another post that LOA is how faith works in layman's terms. We need to believe, or He can't do anything for us. That's why it says "come boldly to the throne." (one of Paul's letters, I believe- NT)You have to know that God wants the best for you (because He loves you sooooooo much!), & not ask him meekly, but expecting manifestation. Faith.

So if you feel you need to pray, go ahead! Just be sure to be bold.

The patience part is what really sucks!

[JoeGoldfarb]

the universe is intelligent, but that does not mean it has a mind.
this universe is intelligent, but that does not mean it thinks.
a spiral snail shell shows intelligence, in an abract sense.
this is the sense of intelligence used to describe the universe.

ego is a false perception and requires a mind to believe in it. a universe does not have a mind.

[polluxlm]

God is unaware of its existence. It doesn't think, it just is. It only becomes self aware through its creations.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by polluxlm

God is unaware of its existence. It doesn't think, it just is. It only becomes self aware through its creations.

Hmm .. but wouldn't God already be aware at the point of deciding to create something? Otherwise, how would he know what he was doing?

[polluxlm]

Originally Posted by Cantando

Hmm .. but wouldn't God already be aware at the point of deciding to create something? Otherwise, how would he know what he was doing?

I see it as an ever spanning force. The Universe runs on formulas, and so does the force. It's not a separate entity, it's everything. Like a program it simply does what it's supposed to.

[Jonathan Mead]

The universe is so of itself. We are all so of ourselves. It's like the patterns in wood, the intelligence is within it. There is no intelligence without, outside of us, we are all the universe. We only perceive separation through our senses.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by polluxlm

I see it as an ever spanning force. The Universe runs on formulas, and so does the force. It's not a separate entity, it's everything. Like a program it simply does what it's supposed to.

I agree with what you are saying and that God is not a separate entity.

However, I believe consciousness creates the universe. Everything emanates from consciousness (which I define as God).
Consciousness is intelligent and self-aware.
Consciousness is eternal - it has no beginning or end.
It creates/generates/dreams of/designs worlds and universes which are constantly shifting in form.

Perhaps, as a sort of game, consciousness generates living forms (imbued with consciousness) which have an apparency of being separate and distinct (us). So, we are, in fact, children of God.
The 'I', which you think you are, is a conglomeration of your mind, body and belief systems, infused with consciousness. The 'I' may become more aware; it may become less aware; it may dissolve; but consciousness still continues.

I would also like to say, and I'm sure that many will disagree, is that consciousness can never be divided or compartmentalized. It is always whole.
So, if you are aware of consciousness in another person or in a plant, for example, that consciousness is the whole of consciousness.
That explains Christ's quote which goes something like, "Whatever you have done to the least of these children, you have done to me".

There are no 'bits' of consciousness' apportioned out amongst living forms.
It is the macrocosm contained within the microcosm.

As William Blake wrote:

To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour.

[jrettig]

Universal Laws, also know as Spiritual Laws or Natural Laws
Why are there Universal Laws and how can we understand and use these laws to assist us in our life experiences?

The universe was created and we human beings where created in the image of the Creator, The One Source.


In the beginning there was only the One Source. There was nothing for the one source to compare itself with. The One Source divided, not separating itself into free willing extensions. We are all extensions of the One Source. These laws where built to glue the system together. The laws allow each individual extension free will to experience and grow as children of the one source. These knowing experiences provide the One Source knowledge of itself.

Natural Laws always work without err and cannot be broken. Living in harmony with these laws allows us all around abundance. This harmony going with the flow results in effortless well being.

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[Cantando]

Originally Posted by jrettig

Universal Laws, also know as Spiritual Laws or Natural Laws
Why are there Universal Laws and how can we understand and use these laws to assist us in our life experiences?

Laws are OK for those who keep going off on the wrong track, making themselves and others miserable. People at this level are still slaves and need to be told how to think and act.

Once we realize we are united with God/Consciousness in love, we cease to become slaves. Life then unfolds naturally without the need to think about obeying laws, or being punished for not obeying them.