how to manifest left hand lost in accident?

[epetro]

what are the limits of I-M model?

if there are no limits how to answer the question in the title?

if there are ones what a disclaimer should be posted before any article on I-M?

[Ati]

Oh epetro, I hope this hasn't really happened to you or a loved one !

Still, people do use I-M and many similar sorts of practices to work with the challenges and tragedies of such things as cancer, loss of vision and other very difficult physical problems. Maybe these practices are most important when there isn't a readily accessible solution or "cure" to a problem of whatever kind, grieving the death of a loved one for instance.

May I most respectfully suggest that you consider what sorts of intentions would be potentially helpful in such a situation? Bring back a loved one or a hand or eyesight or a body free of metastatic cancer-- quite likely not (although there have been amazing experiences with seemingly incurable diseases). Find meaning in a life in spite of tragedy? That can be possible.

Please do post further....if this is more than a theoretical question, especially. I think you will find a lot of support and possibly some ideas you can use here.

All my best to you,

[Richard_Todd]

My understanding is as follows: Something will only manifest if you believe it can. This is why most people will not be able to successfully manifest an ability to fly. No matter how much they want it, and how clearly they visualize it, and how carefully they word their intention, in the back of their minds they will still "know" that people cannot fly. Similarly, I bet you believe on some or all levels that hands do not regenerate or otherwise reappear. Because of this, you will not be able to manifest it.

Even for attainable goals, the first step is to fully believe that it can happen, and that you deserve it. Until that barrier is overcome, none of the rest of the I-M model will be able to help.

[Ati]

OK, but do we want to fly or do we want meaning in life, peace, increased personal abilities to think, to love, to be creative, good things for ourselves and others ? I think this is the important thing.

When we are talking about a significant loss or problem, then I think we need to broaden our perspectives beyond simply trying to analyze whether or not the metaphysics (or religious themes or other unseen forces for lack of better terminology just now--) "work" and get to some of what seem to be deeper and at the same time more practical issues.

just my thoughts,

[Richard_Todd]

Originally Posted by Ati

OK, but do we want to fly or do we want meaning in life, peace, increased personal abilities to think, to love, to be creative, good things for ourselves and others ? I think this is the important thing.

I agree with you; i was just trying to answer the question of the thread "how to manifest left hand lost in accident?" a little more literally.

[Ati]

I see what you mean, Richard, then...

I am concerned whenever someone comes in describing a serious problem they may be having. i want to make sure we make the best of the chance to offer something that might be helpful. I see what you were getting at there.

[tomjen]

For those of you who wish to do something like this, it would properly help you to know that scientists are working on regeneration limps - and they had some success with a I belive chicken embryo. While this is a long way to regeneration a hand, It shows it is possible.

[epetro]

Originally Posted by Ati

Oh epetro, I hope this hasn't really happened to you or a loved one !

thanks ati you are very kind person
i'm sorry i didnt stated that it is a theoretical question.

for me it is a rethorical question - you cannot manifest lost hand - thats it. but i can imagine that you can manifest a wealth. so what is the difference beetween two intentions?

i can guess answer - you just dont believe. thats all?

[Ati]

Originally Posted by epetro

for me it is a rethorical question - you cannot manifest lost hand - thats it. but i can imagine that you can manifest a wealth. so what is the difference beetween two intentions?

i can guess answer - you just dont believe. thats all?

(breath of relief ) I'm glad that was rhetorical...

A lot on this board addresses just that question and it's a great one.

I'd just say that there is so much around us that a particular person might wish they could experience themselves...a loving relationship, peace/forgiveness/healing in an existing relationship, good health habits, wealth, creativity, and so on, you know what I mean...and this process of intention-manifestation can help put a person's mind, heart, psyche into a perspective from which such things may well become part of their life. Hard work, attention to the process or some similar process which feels right to the person, sharing and learning from others--all this seems important.

We can get off into spaghetti monsters (previous post on another thread), flying from rooftops and other such things but I think it's important to remember that for many people, or for people in general at many times in life, the less dramatic wishes I mentioned in the paragraph above might well seem "just as impossible".... and that's where this practice can be most helpful, methinks

[epetro]

Originally Posted by Ati

and that's where this practice can be most helpful, methinks

so you can agree that I-M approach to living has some practical borders? if so do you agree with existance of obective reality?

[Sadhana]

Originally Posted by epetro

thanks ati you are very kind person
i'm sorry i didnt stated that it is a theoretical question.

for me it is a rethorical question - you cannot manifest lost hand - thats it. but i can imagine that you can manifest a wealth. so what is the difference beetween two intentions?

i can guess answer - you just dont believe. thats all?

IMHO: yes.

[Richard_Todd]

Originally Posted by epetro

so you can agree that I-M approach to living has some practical borders? if so do you agree with existance of obective reality?

The border is your beliefs, whatever they may be. This is because, if your intentions sidestep your beliefs, you will still unconsciously and subconsciously put out out intentions that contradict your conscious intentions. They will cancel each other out, or worse.

So, the fact that you think there are probably practical borders to I-M is the very reason those borders will exist for you. :-) The borders manifest because of your thoughts on them--it is an example of I-M at work in and of itself.

So, like in Steve's recent article, if I am inwardly afraid of what wealth will do to my life, then I will have trouble manifesting wealth until I deal with that. If I don't believe that there's a way to get my hand back, I will not be able to manifest it. If I don't believe I deserve a soulmate, she's not going to manifest. Your beliefs have to be in alignment with your intentions, and after that I don't know of any borders or boundaries.

[epetro]

Originally Posted by Richard_Todd

if I am inwardly afraid of what wealth will do to my life, then I will have trouble manifesting wealth until I deal with that. If I don't believe that there's a way to get my hand back, I will not be able to manifest it. If I don't believe I deserve a soulmate, she's not going to manifest.

in quotation are presented three intention objects: wealth, soulmate and lost hand. imho they are not the same, and unlike first two the third couldnot be achieved with intentions, affirmations and other stuff like this. some strong belief divides third from others.

do you really tell someone who lost loved one not to accept reality and find purpose to live further but to change beliefs and prepare to meet that person in good health few days later?

[Pagoda]

Originally Posted by epetro

for me it is a rethorical question - you cannot manifest lost hand - thats it.

I would ask why you don't believe a body can regrow a hand. The body grew the hand in the first place. The body is constantly regrowing its skin, its hair, all its cells are being replaced constantly.

Where is the dividing line between what the body can regrow and what it can't? And what is the reason for this dividing line?

Science certainly hasn't found a physical reason why we can't regrow a hand. So perhaps the reason isn't physical, perhaps the reason is mental. We don't believe we can.

[Richard_Todd]

Originally Posted by epetro

do you really tell someone who lost loved one not to accept reality and find purpose to live further but to change beliefs and prepare to meet that person in good health few days later?

I don't think it's realistic to expect someone to be able to change their beliefs in such a fundamental way. They can say they've accepted the notion that dead people often return to health, but they can't fool the universe, so to speak.

(but, according to my understanding of I-M/LoA and subjective reality, that is all it would theoretically take)

A person that could successfully do that, and then actually manifest such an intention, does not exist in my world, because my beliefs about what is possible would prevent me from seeing it that way (or possibly seeing it at all).

[Frans]

Who dares to answer epetro's question:

Originally Posted by epetro

do you really tell someone who lost loved one not to accept reality and find purpose to live further but to change beliefs and prepare to meet that person in good health few days later?

[SamBeaven]

The way I reconcile this problem is in the belief that the universe gives you want you need, which isn't necessarily what you want.

For example, in Jay Abraham's book Getting everything you can out of all you've got, he talks about how when a man goes into a hardware store looking for a drill, he doesn't really want a drill - he wants holes. Likewise, when a person wants to regrow a lost limb, he doesn't really want the limb back - he wants any number of things, maybe to be able to hold, to feel, to touch, to recover from the trauma of losing a limb. He might not get the hand back, but instead he might get a prosthetic limb that lets him pick stuff up, he might get some sort of experimental force feedback device that allows him to feel the sensation of touch again, etc etc.

I believe that the desire for flight is the same thing - you desire to fly, so you get on a plane, or a hanglider, or one of those awesome wingsuit thingies (yes, I know those last two aren't technically forms of flight, but they're close enough). It's not exactly how you imagined it, but you get what you asked for all the same.

Personally I think one of the main barriers to I-M is the concern with the how. It really doesn't matter how it happens, it doesn't matter if my soulmate looks or acts exactly how I imagine her - as long as she ticks all the right boxes it's fine by me.

[eternomi]

Who manifested the hand before it was cut off in the accident? If you didn't do it, I doubt you can do it again. Talk to the one who did it in the first place.

[billthomas]

This question was put to Abraham/Hicks in a workshop and this is what was said:

Someone asked us recently, "Is thre any limitation to the body's ability to heal?"

And we said, "None, other than the belief you hold."

And he said, "Then why aren't people growing new limbs?"

And we said, "Because no one believes that they can."

[Kristoffer]

Originally Posted by SamBeaven

Likewise, when a person wants to regrow a lost limb, he doesn't really want the limb back - he wants any number of things, maybe to be able to hold, to feel, to touch, to recover from the trauma of losing a limb. He might not get the hand back, but instead he might get a prosthetic limb that lets him pick stuff up, he might get some sort of experimental force feedback device that allows him to feel the sensation of touch again.

Very true! And I am sure in the future there will be possible with combinations of artificial hands and "grown" parts. Not likely the full hand just "grows" back. But that is just my lack of faith.


I can manifest small things. Easy now to make my wife do the dishes. Or what kind of food will be served when we go away for dinner. Larger things are still harder. I have had a few "alpha" manifestations (Steves word). The day after watching the movie "The secret" I got a check in my mail! Just like that guy in the film! Still trying to get som real money from my websites and winning in the next karate tournament. I know those things can be done too. After that I am on to bending space and time. Anybody tried that? Like the character Hiro in the TV series "Heroes"?

[Lonewolf]

You are basically asking if a miracle is possible. I think it is, becasue I have seen miracles like thousands of people walking across fire, actually take place before my very eyes. Maybe what you need to do is to observe some miracles take place in order to foster belief and have confidence that the seemingly impossible is in fact possible.

[Ati]

Originally Posted by epetro

so you can agree that I-M approach to living has some practical borders? if so do you agree with existance of obective reality?

Originally Posted by epetro

in quotation are presented three intention objects: wealth, soulmate and lost hand. imho they are not the same, and unlike first two the third couldnot be achieved with intentions, affirmations and other stuff like this. some strong belief divides third from others.

do you really tell someone who lost loved one not to accept reality and find purpose to live further but to change beliefs and prepare to meet that person in good health few days later?

Originally Posted by Frans

Who dares to answer epetro's question:

I somehow lost the message I was just typing.

I'm thinking that there may be a real question about whether to think about something from a theoretical or a practical perspective, or what mixture of the two.

Certainly there have been many things which are possible now, which would have been unheard of at some time earlier (flying or forums, for instance) Before the Wright Bros touched the sky, people thought we couldn't fly, and they thought that throughout many trials when W & O kept hitting the ground. Ten years ago, could we be doing this? Yes, I believe there's little reason to think we won't be able to "regrow" limbs one day, with the technological research going on now.

However, for someone who loses a hand on November 23, 2006, this is not immediately encouraging. That person, I believe, needs something else. Enter SamBeaven and others' thinking about the impact of insisting on a particular "how". Perhaps for the person who lost a hand, getting over a feeling of shock and hopelessness is one of the very first thing needed. Perhaps a plan for, say a marriage or a career looks in danger.

When you think about how people handle various things, it's really amazing. I know someone who lost both arms above the shoulder when he was a kid, in an explosion. This fellow, now in his 40's, has two mechanical arms and he does everything. On hot days he just wears the metal. On cooler days he has the whole gear on with a jacket, etc. I take care of his dad and on at least one