A complicated LOA dilemma

[Proxy]

Ok, I have a LOA dilemma in my mind and it's really scaring me, because of how little control we have in distinguishing good from bad and thus manifesting weird things.

It might seem very complicated, but here goes:

There are negative, positive and neutral thoughts that you think (the emotions provide the fuel for the thoughts that makes them negative or positive - neutral thoughts are simply thoughts with no emotions attached to them).

All our lives we attach specific positive/negative emotions to certain external stimuli - for example, your emotional reaction if you got a car or your emotional reaction if a certain girl liked you are predetermined by your subconscious mind (for example, someone might be happy if that certain girl liked him, another person might be frustrated and angry if she liked him).
So we come to the conclusion that all emotions are highly subjective and thus there is actually no universal subjectively good or bad external stimuli (but we could say there are good/bad emotions and objectively bad external stimuli - such as death, disease...)

So we come to the Law of Attraction. The LOA works in such a way, that whatever feeling you are currently having will become reproduced in external reality, through a certain situation ("external stimuli") that will trigger it.
So you will have more of the same feelings you currently have in your future, usually through some external events that will trigger those feelings.

So if you have for instance somehow attached a positive or neutral emotional response to an objecively negative external situation, then this situation can be manifested by thinking and vibrating in a positive way. The objectively negative and subjectively positive/neutral siuation will now not be created by a negative thought, but by a POSITIVE one!! (or a neutral one)
*Which is MUCH worse, since positive thoughts have higher vibrational frequencies and are more likely to manifest than negative ones

So in essence you could say that your fears and limiting beliefs are actually PROTECTING you from any harm coming to you. If you had no fears your reaction to all external situations would be peace and calmness or perhaps even happiness. So if you were to think about something objectively negative (but subjectively positive or neutral for you), then you would almost immediately manifest that thing.
Why?
Because your feelings if that negative thing happened would be peacefullness, and your current feeling would also be peacefullness plus the negative thought (which would be subjectively peaceful but objectively negative, so for you it would be classified as a peaceful thought).
And if we consider the LOA, which says that whatever vibe you are giving off at the moment, you will attract more of - then you would attract more of that objectively negative thing, because you are in an emotional alignment with it.

If this is all very confusing, let me give you an example:

1-Your feelings towards contracting a disease are peace/happiness/(any emotion with a high vibrational frequency), because with emotional release techniques you released the negative feelings towards being ill (thus you don't see being ill as a bad thing anymore) or because you subconsciously somehow reprogramed yourself to see these things positively
2-You feel the feelings of peace/happiness and at the same time think of getting ill (these feelings are now connected)
3-The LOA says that you get what you think about, plus you must be a vibrational match for that thing
-You thought about the disease
-You are a vibrational match with the disease
4-You get sick

You can substitute disease for any objectively negative thing, such as a car accident,...
The essence is I guess, that if you emotionally release all limiting beliefs or if you subconsciously reprogram yourself in a "reversed" way you are vulnerable to negative stuff, because you cannot emotionally distinguish the objectively good stuff from the objectively bad stuff (or at least your subconscious can't)
I guess what I'm talking about is something like "psychological reversal" (that is, if I understand the concept of psychological reversal correctly)

*I underlined and bolded half of the stuff to make it easier to read ... I hope you guys have the time and patience to go through the whole thing and comment on this, since it's really scaring me away from doing the Sedona Method (or any emotional release technique really) or tampering with my beliefs or subconscious mind

[RT Wolf]

Well, almost all people enjoy certain experiences the same way. IE, they enjoy the experience of being healthy better than being unhealthy. You could change your feelings towards being unhealthy, but I doubt you'd be able to change the experience of being unhealthy, and if you can't change the experience of being unhealthy, I doubt you'd be able to truly say that being unhealthy is better than being healthy. Now one the solutions posited is by creating an objective standard of "good" which might be called God or Source or what have you. The definition of those includes things like joy, vitality and health, abundance, etc, which gives a sort of objective measure for what is a good thing or what is a bad thing subjectively as well.

Here's the thing, you're getting scared of Sedona Method for little reason. By being ok with car crashes, or being at peace with the idea of them, does not mean that you will attract them instantly, nor that you will prefer them over not-car crashes. There's a lot of "ifs" in your post, which sound very implausible (though not impossible, think of masochists who enjoy pain). Its an interesting hypothetical possibility, but it seems unlikely to me to actually occur.

And if you think this is freaky, this is exactly what people have done. By becoming comfortable in comfort zones, people have learned helplessness and have learned to be ok with terrible situations. Its one of the attributes of being human to be so highly adaptable.

Heh, you sound a little like me. Coming up with complicated problems cause its just interesting to have mental challenges.

[javamannen2]

Visions, thoughts, concepts attach themself to an emotional state (e.g. happiness or fear).
It's some kind of logical "lookup table" our brains have generated:
Thought form ---> emotional state

If you e.g. try to change the entry for "Sickness" in this lookup table (e.g. associating sickness with happiness) then you might diminish your survival chances

But if you start "emoting" happiness without attaching that happiness to a specific thought ("I'm happy because I'm happy"), then you don't screw up the lookup table (sickness will still be associated with some kind of negative emotion)

What happens when "negative" (as specified by your own internal lookup table/database) thoughts are still associated with negative emotional states, but you maintain a detached positive emotional state? Well, your subconscious computer/the universe/whatever will have to start to match all that detached positive emoting with corresponding "objectively" positive thought forms. So since you're walking around being all happy and loving in a detached way, thoughts of sickness/car accidents/arms falling off will occupy less and less of your time, and things that your own logical evaluation system has deemed objectively good (in my case e.g Dulce de leche ice cream ) will start to occupy more and more of your time.

So to sum it up:
Emote positively in a detached way, and watch how "objectively" good stuff will begin to pop up more and more in your life. Simple huh?
If "objectively" negative stuff comes your way, don't mess with the negative association, just ignore the factual/logical situation and get into a positive emotional state first, then your mind will generate solutions with a matching objective positive outcome for you.

[Proxy]

Yes, great points made by both of you.
You calmed me down about stuff like the Sedona Method... the main thing I was afraid of was the fact that I would somehow mess up my internal "lookup table" (as java put it)

But the question that is paramount and still remains, is:
"Can we change the logical "Lookup Table" or is it somehow hardwired into existence by the universe/our mind"

Can we really attach positive emotions to objectively negative experiences or are there certain experiences that can SUBJECTIVELY only be positive or negative?

Wolf - I was thinking exactly of masochists when I was writing this, but apart from them there are plenty of others that enjoy certain experiences that seem unenjoyable to others

.... I mean, what the hell would happen to a masochist if he did the Sedona Method for example?
-Would he get more of the pain he wants?
-Or would he stop wanting pain?



P.S.-Funnily enough if I posted question like this on any other LOA related forum, people would probably give me answers like "Just love everything and love god..." and **** like that.... thank god this isn't one of those forums

[BladeRunner]

Proxy,

You've described you feelings and understanding in such lenght and that means you are empowered to find answers.

But as you look outward to the world for truth and answers, while you'll find much volume to aid you, the real answers are inside.

How can you look inside when all the answers seem to be outside?

Simplify

Take away and remove everything that makes no sense and can't be trusted to be real.

The real trick is not to understand what it's ALL about, but getting rid of all the stuff that makes the understanding too hard to sense.

If that is too mystical, then lets simplify again.

Get rid of anything that is too confusing.

Dex

[RT Wolf]

Well, here's my understanding of it:

You may be able to attach positive emotion to things that might even seem objectively negative, like ritual sacrifice, stigmata or death (I've heard that Tibetans have not-sad funerals), but your emotions are not the only way you judge somethings. Sometimes are preferable to others, regardless of how you feel about it. There's a few ways to go about that depending on where you come from:

1. There is a Source or God or just a source of metaphysical good that tells you that being healthy is preferable to being unhealthy.

2. Evolution has caused certain drives within us to want certain things, ie to live and to be healthy, etc.

1 and 2 are not mutually exclusive.

Not reisisting something or being ok with it is not the same as attracting it or preferring it. In fact, what you resist, persists. Best to feel utterly neutral about it. Read The Power of Now if you'd like another perspective on this whole "inner peace" thing.