What if 2 people are manifesting the same thing??

[jlbmlsxj07]

What if two people are manifesting the same thing? My best friend told me Steve had actually spoke of this issue but could not recall when or where he had read/heard about it.

I am curious because I believe I am manifesting something in my life that another person is also manifesting. I know I have a powerful mind, but I want to know how to correctly use it to my advantage.

Jennifer

[jeff3]

Originally Posted by jlbmlsxj07

What if two people are manifesting the same thing? My best friend told me Steve had actually spoke of this issue but could not recall when or where he had read/heard about it.

I am curious because I believe I am manifesting something in my life that another person is also manifesting. I know I have a powerful mind, but I want to know how to correctly use it to my advantage.

Jennifer

Two people? what about the several million that are shooting for the lottery on every draw ?

I'm curious what the opinions on this will be as well.

[Jennihul]

Wow, you have my name and I wondered if I had written this thread.

My husband and I manifested some heinous situations in our life at the same time and, in retrospect, we really pegged it. His weird manifestations melded with my weird manifestations (irresponsible fantasizing and visualizing.) The funny thing was, even though this event was clearly BAD as people judge events in general, the event has put in motion ALL of my other desires. So when they say the universe "finds the quickest, easist, fasted most direct path to your goals, it really does. But that can include some really undesireable paths to those goals. Like a tornado can help you get your kitchen remodeled.

I assumed you were speaking of mutual manifestations toward the same goal. Not different people trying to manifest the same exact thing, like a certain person.

I believe mutual manifestations turn up the power exponentially.

Jennifer

[jlbmlsxj07]

Actually, I was curious about what if two people are manifesting having the same person in their lives, but the other issues brought up make sense too.

Both my best friend and I work together and we also are working on manifesting money into our lives.

I am still very curious though what happens with the universe when two people are say, manifesting the same man or woman?

[Angela]

Originally Posted by jlbmlsxj07

I am still very curious though what happens with the universe when two people are say, manifesting the same man or woman?

If you and your friend are both hoping to manifest the same man or woman; you both have already manifested that person in your lives. That person is present and real in your lives -- you have manifested herm.

If you and your friend both hope to manifest the same person as your committed, long-term, mutually beneficial, monogamous mate, then one or the other of you (or both) will be disappointed.

But there's a big difference between controlling and allowing. If you want a particular other person to do a particular thing other than what (s)he's already doing, (like be your lover) and you declare you won't be satisfied until your desired condition is present, you are being controlling. That's not a powerful way to manifest anything; that's a good way to create a space of no freedom. But let's say you and your friend both intend to manifest the perfect committed, long-term, mutually beneficial monogamous mate for each of you, and then you relax and allow that person to show up in your life (not demanding that it be a particular person, who must behave a certain way), then you are in a position of real power. You are both free, and whomever walks into your arms is free, too.

The universe offers up an abundance of the "right person" when you are being allowing, but it is going to occur to you as being very stingy if there is only one individual who will meet your stringent, controlling requirements. And of course, there you would be, mirroring the universe!

[Angela]

Same thing with the lottery, Jeff3. If you are trying to control the universe by demanding to win the lottery, your vibration is a very stingy one. If you are being allowing, and welcoming the abundance of what you really want that the world has to offer you, there is nothing but generosity and flow.

It's not that you want the million dollars, it's the feeling that you think you'd have if you had that million dollars. And you can have that feeling, without having to narrow your pipeline down to a meager lottery game. Open up the channels for the universe to deliver what you want, allow generosity to touch you, and allow yourself to recognize abundance when you see it.

[Acting Like Godot]

I once IM'd intensely to win a certain writing competition (quite a prestigious one, in my country). Actually I was very greedy. I IM'd not only to win the first prize, but the second and the third as well, and make literary history in my country.

I held this intention steadily for two years, and did a lot of visualisation, on and off, through many months, in different ways. There was a period when I manifested for inspiration, and produced some works which, by my own standards, were really very, very good.

However, in the end, I didn't succeed.

The organisers suddenly changed the rules. I wasn't even allowed to submit any entries. For the first time, all published writers and previous award winners were barred from participating. The rationale was that the organisers wished to discover new, fresh, hitherto unknown writers.

Under these new rules, I was automatically disqualified. It was very disappointing. Like, being slapped in the face by the universe.

I have thought a lot about why this may have happened, from a LOA perspective. Possibly, a scarcity mindset (as opposed to an "abundance" mindset) is inherent in the very idea of "competition" (limited prizes), and LOA doesn't function very well under such circumstances.

Another alternative explanation is that IM'ing to win a specific competition is effectively committing the mistake of "choking the outcome" and focusing on the "how". Following this explanation, it may be better to focus on what you desire to obtain out of winning a competition (eg recognition? money? new opportunities?) and IM directly for those underlying desires, rather than saying that there is a specific competition which you MUST win.

Or maybe I was just too greedy (my wife thinks so).

Or maybe LOA doesn't work.

Or maybe other people just had stronger desire to win than I did.

Whatever.

[jlbmlsxj07]

Thanks, this really helped.

I've learned a lot through my best friend about manifesting this was just something on my mind I wanted to know more about. The way I have handled the manifesting is affirmations, journaling, but what helped me the most was going to an Edwene Gaines seminar.

After that, my best friend showed me some more things about Steve that I am working to grasp, which I hope will enhance my manifesting and visioning.

[jeff3]

Originally Posted by Angela

Same thing with the lottery, Jeff3. If you are trying to control the universe by demanding to win the lottery, your vibration is a very stingy one. If you are being allowing, and welcoming the abundance of what you really want that the world has to offer you, there is nothing but generosity and flow.

It's not that you want the million dollars, it's the feeling that you think you'd have if you had that million dollars. And you can have that feeling, without having to narrow your pipeline down to a meager lottery game. Open up the channels for the universe to deliver what you want, allow generosity to touch you, and allow yourself to recognize abundance when you see it.

I understand what you are saying above, my question is who wins?
Forget the lottery, let's say some car dealership or casino is giving away a car through some game of chance or something and 5 different people unknown to each other are pretty efficient practitioners of IM, they all desire the car. What happens? Of course you can say that is being too specific but on some level a lot of things are specific. My 'guess" is that the person with the best shot is someone who is using IM to get 'a car' and they end up there and spontaneously buy a chance, ticket, whatever, 'a car' just happens to be this one. The key difference being detachment, and no sense of competition enters their mind.


If someone is asking "what happens if me and my girlfriend are after the same guy" you can be sure there is a feeling or expectation of 'competition' being involved and that means struggle and possibly guilt over depriving another, especially a friend of something they also want. I also have the feeling, based on personal experience, that if you try to get a specific person and they are not a match to your intentions, you will end up with an obsession and you will be controlled by your own desire. You will have them, but only in your mind.

[jlbmlsxj07]

jeff3
I am curious too about contests and such. It was discussed in one post about being greedy/selfish. So do you just stay away from contests completely?

As far as the latter of your post, I agree with you because it causes scarcity and fear along with the scuffles, anger,etc.

I too have learned from my mistakes and have grown from them.

I have learned to step back and just journal and have affirmations to focus on the positives. I am amazed at what has happened in my life just by doing these things. I also do my best daily to visualize and "feel" how I want to in this situation or that. I feel secure in myself doing these things and allowing the Universe to what it is to do.

[jeff3]

Originally Posted by jlbmlsxj07

jeff3
I am curious too about contests and such. It was discussed in one post about being greedy/selfish. So do you just stay away from contests completely?

As far as the latter of your post, I agree with you because it causes scarcity and fear along with the scuffles, anger,etc.

I too have learned from my mistakes and have grown from them.

I have learned to step back and just journal and have affirmations to focus on the positives. I am amazed at what has happened in my life just by doing these things. I also do my best daily to visualize and "feel" how I want to in this situation or that. I feel secure in myself doing these things and allowing the Universe to what it is to do.

I still play games of chance like lottery (no casino's for me) frequently, but have a light-hearted approach now, for a time I put considerable emphasis on that sort of thing. I am learning that careful examination of my motives usually tells me when I'm out of bounds. I have won lots of small prizes/gifts over the last several years, when I worked with a large number of people they used to just throw up their hands if I put my name in a basket, like ,what's the point,Jeff's gonna win.

I think one key element that a lot of people miss is to distill the desire down to it's essence and focus on that, it opens up the range of possibilities, and reduces attachment/competitive feelings that you get with specific requests. I'm not saying don't go after a job you want or don't try to win a prize, just focus on the essence of those things. I believe it will increase your chances of actually getting the specific thing while at the same time assure you that even if you don't, you will experience what you were hoping to get from it.

[RT Wolf]

In the book Law of Attraction by Esther Hicks (good book, the one of the same name with Michael Losier is also good), it says that while THIS lottery or trophy might be limited, there is an infinite number of trophies or lotteries in general.

[jlbmlsxj07]

So, in order to avoid fear/scarcity we must be open minded and want that lottery or trophy or whatever- "like" what is in front of us?

In example, a friend who has worked hard, saved money finally gets the car of their dreams, just like the one you are also wanting. Obviously in most cases there are plenty of these same cars availabe in the universe so we continue to visualize ourselves in that same car.

[fascinoma]

I like what you're all saying - it's what I believe. Generally, there's enough of everything. And if you need money why limit yourself to "winning the lottery". And it seems like a lot of us actually want the money to come from some source related to our talents (winning a contest of skill, selling a book or artwork, getting a promotion at work), we want to feel like accomplished people.

Most people are usually advised by most sources not to try to manifest a specific person, anyway (the source I learned IM from, said it was because you might be interfering with a person's will)...

[evelynlim]

Originally Posted by fascinoma

I like what you're all saying - it's what I believe. Generally, there's enough of everything. And if you need money why limit yourself to "winning the lottery". And it seems like a lot of us actually want the money to come from some source related to our talents (winning a contest of skill, selling a book or artwork, getting a promotion at work), we want to feel like accomplished people.

Most people are usually advised by most sources not to try to manifest a specific person, anyway (the source I learned IM from, said it was because you might be interfering with a person's will)...

This is very helpful, indeed, for me. In terms of relationship, the idea is to manifest for the "right" person and not to dictate who to the Universe. In terms of financial abundance, the idea is to manifest for wealth and not to dictate how, whether by lottery or otherwise, to the Universe. Thanks!

[fascinoma]

Originally Posted by evelynlim

This is very helpful, indeed, for me. In terms of relationship, the idea is to manifest for the "right" person and not to dictate who to the Universe. In terms of financial abundance, the idea is to manifest for wealth and not to dictate how, whether by lottery or otherwise, to the Universe. Thanks!

Besides, over and over and over I hear from people that they didn't get the person they were initially after, but ended up (happily) with someone else who was better, whom they had possibly been overlooking.

[richloaguy]

I think Napolean Hill created this notion. I take his wisdom with a grain of salt though as he died penniless.

I think 2 people with a common visualizations will be stronger at actualizing/manifesting. How could it not be so.

The lottery note was everyone wanting for themselves. Group prayer has resulted in "miracles", and there is plenty of evidence towards it being better.

Maybe consult with the person to get affirmations straight. Your idea of a dream vacation and your spouses may be different. Pick Hawaii and stick with it.

wayne

[fitx3]

Originally Posted by jeff3

I also have the feeling, based on personal experience, that if you try to get a specific person and they are not a match to your intentions, you will end up with an obsession and you will be controlled by your own desire. You will have them, but only in your mind.

Uggh. I needed to hear/read this. I seem to be learning this lesson right now. I was actually able to use some remote influencing to draw a certain person in but wasn't impressed with his entrance. He's moved on due to my reaction and now I'm almost regretting not giving it a chance. Perhaps I enjoy having the obsession more than having the intent! It's my reality, after all.

[Mindfuel]

The Universe will only give you what you are ready for in your life. If your soulmate or abundance has not arrived yet then you are not taking the action steps that you need to do in order to attract them.

When I think about the tiny actions which I was guided to take which have turned out to be huge once the manifestation happens, I am always blown away.

With regard to the issue of competition, competition is a lower vibrating energy and so will not necessarily be the best way for a LOA practicioner to attract what they desire. When I enter a competition, I ask the Universe to take care of the entry and then let go, trusting that if winning is on my path, then it is guaranteed.

Hope this helps all!

[smartile]

Hi jlbmlsxj07,

Anyone can manifest anything they want. To be effective, avoid competition and focus on creation. The creative method requires the use of all faculties of your mind: the will, intuition, perception, reason, memory and our creative imagination.

I've got his keen sense that you are using the competitive approach,

jlbmlsxj07 says,
I know I have a powerful mind, but I want to know how to correctly use it to my advantage.

Advantage over who?

The truth is that you can manifest anything you want as long as you are creative and NOT competitive.

For example, a good number of people use "their will" to focus on others. They will spend so much time focusing on another person not getting the very thing they want. That's not what the will is for.

Using the creative method requires that you use your will on yourself. The will is made for your own use. You must use it to give yourself a command and follow it. That's the creative method to using the will.

Use the creative method and avoid competition.