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11-20-2006, 02:40 PM
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In his latest blog-entry ("Manifesting Intentions Without Resistance") http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...ut-resistance/ Steve says that uncovering hidden fears sabotage your intentions. In my opinion, fears play even a more significant role... Whether you believe in the "Law of Attraction" or not, it doesn't matter, the LoA is a great philosophical principle because it gives people a good reason why they should be positive and thankful for every single aspect of their live. Unfortunately (!), most people seem to turn the LoA upside down, because it is NOT their FIRST intention to become positive or grateful for all nice things in their lives. Their FIRST intention is to attract something they don't have yet, hence "Intention-Manifestation". I-M practitioners are not satisfied with the life they have - they want something else. They want MORE money, a BETTER relationship, a HEALTHIER body... you name it. They want that, because at the most basic level, they are searching for security and certainty. Only a person who has fears seeks security and certainty. Fears dictate people to practise "Intention-Manifestation". Unless YOU are God, I don't believe that YOU can get what you want - no matter what the well-earning preachers of the I-M Church are trying to sell you. Can you imagine what a new world you would enter, if you can let go this I-M stuff, if you can be positive, thankful and happy without wanting something in return?... Why are you afraid? There's no need to be afraid, just trust in divine providence and you'll get - NOT what you WANT, but what you NEED. Try it and convince yourself  FREE HUGS TO ALL |
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11-20-2006, 05:17 PM
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I have no moral objections against desire, but if you cultivate a burning desire for something, you must be prepared: unless you get the object of your desire instantly, you have to wait, wait and wait... Result: your frustrations will increase bit by bit. I don't think it's a good idea to grow frustrations, especially in these "Personal Development for Smart People Forums". What I wanted to say is this: be positive, happy and thankful for all the great things in your life and simply trust on the divine providence and remember these words: Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing? Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? (Matthew 6:25-26) |
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11-20-2006, 05:34 PM
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I believe you are the first person here who says he wants to use the LoA to become a better person. I read other, more material intentions here  | |
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11-20-2006, 09:04 PM
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"Infinite patience provides immediate response." A lot of us in the I-M "church", are looking to break the barriers of ego, and its the ego who wants the immediate gratification. Who, outside of you, is saying that because we want better things for ourselves (speaking less material and more in the way of growth), we cant be happy, positive and thankful everyday? Even the desire to relieve yourself of desire is one. Last edited by Lucas; 11-20-2006 at 09:23 PM. | |
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11-20-2006, 10:39 PM
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1. The premise is somewhat flawed: fear is not the basis of all desires. Not all desires are motivated by fear. And not everyone working with the LoA is looking for security and certainty. That's an inaccurate premise too. 2. You're generalizing. Intentions vary immensely. While some people intend material things, other people intend personal growth, peace, etc. I think you're talking about the reason and intention behind the intention, is that correct? If that's the case, this varies from person to person, so generalizing is assuming that everyone in the I-M "church", as you put it, is motivated by fear, unhappiness and material needs - or other needs that are not being met otherwise. And that's not true. "They want that, because at the most basic level, they are searching for security and certainty." - Question for you: have you experimented with the LoA? Is this statement based on your personal experience or observation of other people's experiences, from the outside in? I'm just curious as to how you got to this conclusion. "Unfortunately (!), most people seem to turn the LoA upside down, because it is NOT their FIRST intention to become positive or grateful for all nice things in their lives. Their FIRST intention is to attract something they don't have yet, hence "Intention-Manifestation"." - Same as above. I would add, though, that you might be correct in this statement, but even though some people may start using the LoA this way, I have a feeling that the more knowledge we gain on the subject, the more we read about it and practice it, the more this mindset changes and evolves into something different. Eventually, most people understand the importance of gratitude and remaining positive. Last edited by Patricia; 11-21-2006 at 08:16 AM. Reason: Correction of grammar mistake. | |
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11-20-2006, 10:45 PM
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11-21-2006, 03:00 AM
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"I-M church"? That's a new way of putting it. Do you think I-M runs counter to religion? I'd also like to add that some psychologists believe that you become/experience what you put in your mind. Check out "Psycho-cybernetics" by Maxwell Maltz. If you believe that you're not going to be liked in your mind, you will act like it. But if you put the picture in your mind of being strong and self-assured, you will act that way. Last edited by Lychee; 11-21-2006 at 03:05 AM. |
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11-21-2006, 03:44 AM
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Great thread and great thoughts here! I certainly see the same things---some folks looking at material things, often I think as much to "test" process out--easier and quicker to see if you find a parking spot than if your ability to get along with others is improving, sometimes anyway! And some looking at ways to improve life for themselves and others in other ways. I think we might often get into the "deeper aspects" of I-M once we feel more familiar with the process, or if we've undertaken similar explorations in the past (or present) And yes, I do think there are many similarities to religious thinking. Doesn't mean it has to be the same thing all that depends on the individual person. What is the difference between religion and spirituality? I think all this is very spiritual or has the potential to be. I think it works with or without the concept of a deity. Further, I think any deity "out there" would be very happy to see people consciously formulating intentions to manifest good things for the highest good of all, in a healthy and positive way, in good faith and in good humor, in its own perfect time ..... I also really like the connection between gratitude and looking 'round the next corner to see what we can make better.. The world could use a lot more of all this in my opinion! all best, ati |
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11-21-2006, 08:46 AM
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 but that's basically what I was thinking and trying to express. I can't really generalize, because I don't personally know that many people who are into I-M, but I have a feeling that when we hear about the LoA for the first time and wonder "mm... could this be for real?", we tend to want to test it with things that are measurable or visible in the short term - which reminds me of the example in "The Secret" when they suggest you try to manifest cup of coffee. Sort of like testing the waters: you accept the possibility enough to give it a try, but you're not sure, so you put it to the test to see if it works. Then it works once, but now you're looking for consistency before you actually buy into the concept, you're not yet completely convinced. So you keep testing, trying to manifest the same kinds of things. If you reach consistency and are curious enough, you want to learn more and more about it and that's when you become a lot more aware of the deeper aspects involved in the LoA. It's a process - of learning and development.However, I have to agree that it's possible that some people stagnate right after being "convinced" that it works and just keep applying the basic knowledge they initially acquired without ever having the interest in researching more about it and going deeper into the subject. But the majority of people posting in these forums (my main reference in terms of sample) are really striving to learn more and go deeper, which is a very good thing. :-) | |
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11-21-2006, 10:12 AM
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11-21-2006, 12:07 PM
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I so agree. Also to remember is how linguistics affect us. Somewhere along the lines, I think after the Great Depression, but certainly at other times, children have been admonished not to "want" so much (Parents who actually grew up though the Depression and had their kids in the 50's might well look at a kid who wants one more toy shown on the ads during Leave it to Beaver, and say hey you don't need so much stuff...we have food to eat! Our culture went from so very poor in the 30's to so much better off in the 50's it was truly culture shock for many). Anyway, I digress....  I fully agree, Sadhana, that we can use the word "want" in many different ways...we may be reflecting greed or selfishness or careless materialism, or it may be something giving, creative, spiritual, responsible, and so on. Songwriter and I had a very interesting exchange about this word in Spanish. "Quiero" in Spanish is the word for want, and also the word for love and cherish. So if you love somebody you might say "Yo quiero..." after 50 years of marriage just to express how much this person means to you. This came up during a different discussion on this board having to do with "negative attraction" if you concentrate on what you don't want rather than how you do want things to be. In Spanish,"quiero" does not imply that you don't have something, so Songwriter aptly decided that it worked for him to use "quiero" and once he explained the linguistics, I couldn't agree more! Another very interesting discussion, I believe on the thread dealing with specific vs general intentions...settled into the idea that different people do best with different things to prepare their mindset for good intention work. That's so true and seems to relate to this as well. For some, if "want" is not a good word, I think it very important, not trivial at all to choose another word. It's what is really going on underneath and between the words that matters much, yes? All best, | |
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11-21-2006, 01:50 PM
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Like I said earlier, I have no objections against desire or wanting something. If I want something and I can buy it, I'll buy it. If I want to improve the comfort of my home, and I can do this, I'll do it, and so on. If an "object of my desire" is beyond my control or financial means, I deliberately get it out of my mind. Everybody's free to do what he/she likes, but I don't want to bother the universe with trivial things, I don't commend the universe to "re-arrange itself to bring me what I want". BTW: am I the only person here who finds this rather a selfish idea? |
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11-21-2006, 02:08 PM
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You seem to have that "sepratist" mindset, that you are seprate from me and the plants and the black holes and galaxies in the univese. Because of that, you think that the universe is bigger than you, like the parent who is grocery shopping, and you're asking for candy. I don't see it as such myself, I see the universe as me, and me as the universe...and because there is so much abundance in the universe, I decidee to attract it into my life. There is no good reason I cant have abundance, especially in the areas of consciousness, and health. When I intend material stuff, it's usually for things to further my purpose, for example, I am a musician so a lot of times I intend for show bookings or cd sales. I am never like "give me money or I hate you". If I don;t get what I am looking for, then there is usually something within I need to adjust...attitude or doubts. I keep unattainable things out of my mind too...I send them out into the universe in the morning, and then forget about them, waiting for the perfect time for them to arrive. | |
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11-21-2006, 02:12 PM
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With respect to the LoA, I don't think it's just physical things we want to attract, but other things. For me, it's inner peace and I'm on the road to this. I'm also intending for my creativity to get better and better. I don't care about material possessions and never have. They can all be taken away in the blink of an eye. So focusing on internal possessions, internal work, is probably the optimal way to use the LoA. The rest should take care of itself.
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11-21-2006, 02:25 PM
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11-21-2006, 02:35 PM
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Besides, where do you think desires come from? Do you believe God is a separate entity sitting somewhere looking at what He created from a distance? Or is God inside every mind doing all the wishing and experiencing? | |
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11-21-2006, 03:06 PM
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When people say to me they want improve the world, I always hear the words of Friedrich Hölderlin in my mind: What has always made a hell on earth has been that man has tried to make it his heaven. Sure, you can cure diseases, but new diseases will arise. This place will always be a hell for many and a heaven for others, there's nothing we can do about. That's the human condition. |
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11-21-2006, 03:14 PM
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11-21-2006, 03:53 PM
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That's a good quote...however, I think I am interpreting it different, because I agree in the sense that when people try to make people better, it's disasterous. However, wanting to make yourself better through conscious change is great, and if everyone did that, we would have heaven on earth, however it has to be a choice made by each individual. I always believed that if you wanted to change something in the world, the most you could do is change it in your life, and that is the biggest change that needs be made. | |
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11-21-2006, 04:05 PM
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Heaven is subjective. What you like, I might not like. Nothing wrong with trying to create Heaven on Earth... Just don't shove your Heaven down my throat. Last edited by eternomi; 11-21-2006 at 04:07 PM. | |
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11-21-2006, 09:01 PM
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I think the core of the disagreement here, Frans, is that you believe in scarcity. "Enjoy your Ramen noodles because children are starving in China". The reason anyone is starving anywhere does not have anything to do with global or universal scarcity; it has to do with resources not being tapped into. "A million dollars" is kind of a silly, cliched term that gets thrown about too easily because #1) we have a base-ten number system and #2) for the better part of the 20th century it was enough to get through your whole life without working. But attracting more money into my life would leave me the time and energy to create more music and generate more ideas that would benefit the human race overall, so once I put it in my mind to manifest something like that it won't be at anyone else's expense, nor will it be "selfish". As for being "sucked in" to the I-M mindset, this is something I've observed in action for most of my life without completely harnessing it; the only thing Steve, Esther/Abraham, or The Secret have done for me is put a name on it and show me I'm not the only one aware of this. I've always referred back to the #1 rule of tightrope walking: "don't look down". That pretty much sums it up. You're always looking somewhere, and it's up to you to choose where to look. Since you appreciate what you have, you probably aren't in any danger of losing it -- that's good -- if you need more you will know, and you will get it. If you feel like you're in just the right place for yourself in every way, then good on you. I personally know I have the potential to achieve more than I have so far, and I'm looking to do that. The point is to take my mind off of the dissatisfaction and put it on the appreciation, so that I can nourish the good aspects of my life and let the unsatisfactory aspects slip away. |
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11-21-2006, 09:18 PM
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Like I want better health so I can be happier, and so become a better husband, father etc... I want more money/power to have more positive influence on my surroundings. etc. Desire is a gift: the more you desire the larger your vessel is, the more you can share. | |
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11-22-2006, 10:59 PM
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Wow. These days I was thinking of starting a thread called: "I can't get no satisfaction, the PD trap" Not only IM, many PD thing is a trap, because you accept you're not "satisfied" and you want yourself or your life to be better. And that never stops. You always want it to get better and better, and then you're never satisfied. Eternal unsatisfaction. Hey, hey, hey, that's what I say. That reminds me the famous saying: "Accept the things that you can not change, try to change the things you can change and try to have the wisdom to tell the things you can change and the ones you can not". I don't have many intentions. Only two. These are the 2 only things I want to change in my life. I'm not gonna intend constantly and for many things because I would fall in the trap. And maybe even these 2 things are not possible. I'm not with the standard IM model, so there are "possible" manifestations and impossible ones for me. |
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