If my uncle gets cancer,who is responsible for his cancer?

[Jack]

For example,let's say that my uncle has cancer.Whose intentions are responsible for his cancer?Just his intentions or beliefs-thoughts or do his wife's or my father's or my thoughts-beliefs-intentions have shares too?

I read in a book something like this:"He says to a client of him that that client is responsible for his wife's cancer".I read this sentence in the book called "Existential Psychotherapy"

[cdn2wheeler]

Most cancers - about 70% according to people who study these things, such as Dr Robert Buckman - have little to do with anything a person does or doesn't do. Certainly, if your uncle smokes or is morbidly obese or has a poor diet or spends lots of time in the sun without protection, that will raise the risk of developing certain types of cancers. But there are lots of cancers (and other diseases) that don't seem to have a direct causal relationship with lifestyle, at least not that's been discovered yet. Bone cancer is one. Brain cancer is another, as is pancreatic cancer and some forms of leukemia.

I don't imagine it's any different with the thought-belief-intention scenario. Simple fact is that we just don't know. So assigning blame or looking for a thought needle in the proverbial haystack probably isn't of much use.

[Jack]

Also i should say that i still feel like i am responsible of my dog's death(i wrote about his death almost a year ago at this forum) and feel guilt.Why?Because,after my mother said me that she saw that my dog died in her dream, i got too much frightened,and the day after the phone rang and the woman on the phone said to my father that my dog got ill,he couldn't move his back legs.Although i dreamed many times that he was able to walk again,unfortunately he died.I was dreaming that he was walking again,but whenever the phone rang,i was feeling afraid if something bad might happen to him.In the day which i heard that my dog died,i was talking to myself,and thought that "My mother's dream became real,but i saw that our bird died in my dream but he is still living,do dreams come true or not,do loa works or not?"And wht happened after seconds later?My mother came to my room and said that our bird got ill,bird had trouble about walking.Then the next day after my dog's death,we took our bird to the vet,but unfortunately our bird died too.And i feel responsibility and guilt about their death...

[cdn2wheeler]

Then I think this note, which was actually sent to me, might have been intended for you as well:

"Dear Human;

You are hereby absolved of responsibility for everything in the world. That's MY job, it's part of the contract.

With grace,
*GOD*"

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by Jack

For example,let's say that my uncle has cancer.Whose intentions are responsible for his cancer?Just his intentions or beliefs-thoughts or do his wife's or my father's or my thoughts-beliefs-intentions have shares too?

I read in a book something like this:"He says to a client of him that that client is responsible for his wife's cancer".I read this sentence in the book called "Existential Psychotherapy"

You can't attract for another. You can't offer vibration for them. You can influence them for the positive or negative, but by concentrating soley on what they want, they can easily overide your influence. Everybody creates their own experience. And while it's true that many people are part of each other's experience, they fit in to each other's lives based on the vibrations they themselves are offering, not someone else's. If the person with cancer changes their vibration, cancer will de-manifest.

[Jack]

Can you desribe more about influencing?

Also for example,let's say that i am working for a company,and i want to be the manager of this company.Can i attract it?It's boss's decision,can i attract being manager of that company or just influence the boss?

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by Jack

Can you desribe more about influencing?

Also for example,let's say that i am working for a company,and i want to be the manager of this company.Can i attract it?It's boss's decision,can i attract being manager of that company or just influence the boss?

It really all depends on how much of a deliberate creator your boss is. Most people are creating by default, which means they are not deliberately offering vibration, they are just reacting to whatever comes their way. It's also important to remember when you set yourself in a position where there is a definite winner and definite loser, it will always be the one who desires, intends, and believes the purest who will win in that sort of competition. But if your intention was more general, say to just be the manager of a company for example, rather than one specific company you have singled out, less complications are involved. Having said that, there is always a strong likelihood that the path of least resistance for your intention could involve the specific company you desired, but maybe not.

And influencing happens all the time. As beings who have agreed to occupy the same consensus reality, there are exchanges of information between you and all others you come in contact with. Some of this is verbal, visual, tactile, and mental. When communication happens between two points of consciousness, one can always offer suggestions to get the other being to see things "their way". You talk about something that feels like a minor inconvenience, and someone furrows their brow and looks at you and tells you how sorry they feel for you. You stop and think, "Maybe this is worse than I thought." And you've just been prey to negative suggestion.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Jack

For example,let's say that my uncle has cancer.Whose intentions are responsible for his cancer?Just his intentions or beliefs-thoughts or do his wife's or my father's or my thoughts-beliefs-intentions have shares too?

If you go by Abraham Hicks, his own thoughts caused him to have cancer. His wife's thoughts caused her to have a husband with cancer. Your father's thoughts caused your father to have a brother with cancer. And your thoughts caused you to have an uncle with cancer.

I do not particularly agree with your use of the word "responsible" here, because it connotes some degree of moral culpability. In a LOA sense, people are morally "responsible" for anything that happens to them only to the extent that (1) they know about LOA, and (2) they are actually able to control their thoughts, and (3) they failed to exercise their ability.

[MmeIntentional]

My Dad had cancer and I know he gave it to himself. Also my just recent exbf told me he had cancer 5yrs ago but I feel that he also gave it to himself. Both horrible people also


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[Savage]

The cause of cancer depends on your perspective.

At the lowest level, you can attribute the cause to molecules, cells, and biology.

At a higher level, you can attribute the cause to the person with the illness.

At a still higher level, you can attribute the cause to the energetic qualities of the physical universe as manifested in the field of pure potentiality.

The level at which you define the cause will determine the level at which you attempt to treat the illness and restore health. So this isn't so much a choice about who's to blame -- it's more of a choice about what level you'd like to interact with the condition and what you can learn from it at that level. If you want to learn more about cellular biology, you can interact with the cancer at that level. If you want to explore the power of healing thoughts, there's another choice available to you.

Cancer is among the more interesting illnesses because it usually progresses slowly enough for you to consciously come to terms with how you'd like to interact with it. It can teach you a lot about yourself. Will you react out of fear, use it as motivation to spread more love, evaluate your life in new ways, etc? Cancer can be an incredible gift if you're willing to see it in that light. Imagine getting up on a stage in front of people and being able to say, "I have cancer right now, and here's what it's taught me about life...." Such an amazing wake-up call for self-expression.

[Zukin]

It's not your fault (unless you give him a cheeseburger).
Six good eating habits that will help prevent cancer - MarketWatch

[alexinspire]

What I think is the willingness to be responsible.

I agree to what Steve Pavlina said. I have a friend who heal herself from cancer with "the Secret". She was a genius and a workaholic. She was shocked when she got to know she had a cancer.

She took 1 1/2 year to heal herself. She recovered and she is creating her new website about healing from cancer. Her secret is:

Don't blame anyone and take full responsibility what she has cause for her own health.

Right now, you can't say who's fault is this. The best what you can do right now is to support him so that he is willing to take responsible instead of saying "Fate is unfair" and start taking action to heal himself.

I know a Chinese doctor and nutritionist who healed over 3000 cancer patients! Recover from cancer is really happening and possible.

[Jack]

Thanks for your answers people,and special thanks to you Steve Pavlina cause you answered my question,as founder of this site...

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

If you go by Abraham Hicks, his own thoughts caused him to have cancer. His wife's thoughts caused her to have a husband with cancer. Your father's thoughts caused your father to have a brother with cancer. And your thoughts caused you to have an uncle with cancer. .

But there is a problem,what happens if i choose to have an uncle with cancer but if my uncle does not choose to have cancer,what happens then?

Steve,then there is no relation between my thoughts and my uncle's illness-cancer?(if he would be ill i mean he is not ill hehe)

Alexinspire,i know that you're right,i know at least one person who is called "Louise Hay",she says in her book that she treated herself from cancer,she rejected kemotherapy(i am not sure about it's spelling) and drugs,she chose to heal herself with changing her thougts, foot reflexogy and changing her eating habits,and was able to heal herself.
Her book was the first book which changed my life and introduced me spiritualism.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Jack

But there is a problem,what happens if i choose to have an uncle with cancer but if my uncle does not choose to have cancer,what happens then?

Oh, you'd probably get an auntie with cancer, or an uncle with heart disease, or two neighbours with cancer, or something like that. And each case, each of these people would also have attracted the disease to themselves with their own thoughts.

So this is the amazing interplay of the universe - everyone's circumstances perfectly reflect his own thoughts, even though his circumstances include many other people each with their thoughts (and therefore their own circumstances).

[emilee]

I'm hoping that our future holds freedom from the constant need to establish fault and blame, and that we function from the point of developing our own personal integrities. There are so many different theories that can be used to answer your question, Jack, that my mind fragments. emilee

ps.....cdn, Outstanding quote!! That's a keeper! (laughing)

[jeff3]

I worked in health care for about 17 years and noticed that some people are always sick and some never get sick, some have chronic pain with no apparent cause and some have no pain when you would expect them to. I always felt that there was something more to it than biology and I started reading everything I could get my hands on and in early 1997 I became very interested in metaphysics and my conclusions are similar to what Steve posted. I believe that we are triune beings with a mind body and spirit and that illness can attack us at any of these levels.

When we get sick on a spiritual level I believe the cure must occur on the same level. I think this partially explains the high relapse rate in some cancers, like when someone undergoes all the latest treatments, start getting good checkups and maybe even a "clean" status , then out of the blue, they are back at stage 3 or 4. Of course medical science has their own explanations for this but I feel they are just inventing reasons because the answer lies outside their realm. They typically will just start spouting statistics as if they were causes.

I think we can affect the human body from any of these levels, the most common being the physical 'cure' and if the problem hasn't affected the other levels of being it will be sufficient but, the problems like cancers, addictions, and other chronic illnesses I believe are best treated at the highest level and that lower level treatments only relieve symptoms and provide a temporary reprieve.

As for who caused what, I have a suspicion that collectively we all may contribute to some of these diseases. I feel that if we aren't properly using our creative faculties, meaning pro-actively, that we may fall prey to what earlier writers called the "mass mind" and be influenced by it, and guess what, in the "mass mind" there is a huge belief system in place that owes it entire being to illness,it's called modern medicine. There are lots of people banking (literally) on people being sick, and I think they influence the "mass mind" in a way that perpetuates sickness, not purposely, but out of ignorance of the LOA. They count on people to be sick in order to make a living. I'm not saying it's a conspiracy or something, just misuse of our faculties.

A friend of mine who is an oral surgeon and makes about 1M a year told me, when I asked him why we have wisdom teeth if they usually end up needing to be pulled, "I always figured it was so I could afford my Bentley". . Of course he was joking, but I think there is maybe more truth there than he realizes.

[Jack]

Thanks for your answers people.

I think i concentrated on illness(or thought about it) too much,the next day after my last post under this topic,i got ill,and still ill...

[sk8joyful]

Originally Posted by jeff3

I worked in health care for about 17 years and noticed that some people are always sick and some never get sick,
some have chronic pain with no apparent cause and some have no pain when you would expect them to.

I believe that we are triune beings with a mind body and spirit and that illness can attack us at any of these levels.
I think this partially explains the high relapse rate in some cancers. Of course medical science has their own explanations for this but I feel they are just inventing reasons because the answer lies outside their realm.

the problems like cancers, addictions, and other chronic illnesses I believe are best treated at the highest level
and that lower level treatments only relieve symptoms and provide a temporary reprieve.

in the "mass mind" there is a huge belief system in place that owes its entire being to illness, it's called modern medicine.
There are lots of people banking (literally) on people being sick, and I think they influence the "mass mind" in a way that perpetuates sickness. They count on people to be sick in order to make a living. I'm not saying it's a conspiracy or something, just misuse of our faculties.

good points. - Yes, people can from cancer, and other chronic conditions & diseases, heal.

[Judge]

Originally Posted by Jack

my uncle has cancer.Whose intentions are responsible for his cancer?

You caused his cancer, because you are the only conscious being here.

Everything is you, there is no other time, no other people, no other to blame, judge and seek answers from.

But you always knew that right?

Judge

[Jules86]

Hi everyone,

i've just discovered this forum as i'm looking for ways to help my dad who has cancer. I have a few questions about what i've read so far in this forum

Assuming that i want to "explore the power of healing thoughts" to help him and taking into account that you can't "attract for another. You can't offer vibration for them. You can influence them for the positive or negative" i was hoping you could offer advice on what i can do to help influence his healing...

He's already doing heaps himself, - meditation, strict diet, visualisation etc etc but what can i do.....?

Thanks

Jules

[Lil Chris]

Hi Jules,
You know the first thought that came to my mind reading your request is this:

Find all of the articles and information about people who have cured their cancer. See if you can get your dad to read them also. The idea behind this activity is to introduce the possibility of healing into your dad's awareness (to influence him).

I'm thinking of him having the mind set of "well, if these people can heal themselves of cancer, surly I can too..." is bound to produce the desired results of healing. It sounds like he's got the action and discipline part down, but he should investigate into his beliefs about him actually healing the cancer.

Try this article for a perspective...

Hope this helps,
Lil Chris

[Dot]

I think "cause" is a really tricky word. And with Steve's post, he suggests different levels of viewing and offering treatment. And each one of those levels rises up as a collapse in duality. So eventually we wind up at a level where there is not even a duality of cause/effect, creator/created.

Let's take a cut on our arm for an example, and look at it from different levels. On a physical level we can see that we just cut our arm on something - say a tool of some kind. On that level, the cause seems apparent. Except, the trick is, the "tool" didn't cut us. We cut ourselves.

That physical cut is a manifestation of something on another level. In this case, metaphysically, cuts and burns are an expression of anger. Anger has to be held as a mental idea - long enough so that it lowers to the emotions - at which point we "feel" angry. Now, at this point we can address the feelings, and find a way to release them. Or we can blow them off and not deal with it. We can continue to put the anger outside of ourselves, and the "cause" of it on other people/ out there. At which point the anger continues to manifest until it reaches a the lower vibrations - moving from the emotional plane to the physical plane. And, tada, some type of bodily injury.

The plane above the emotional plane is the mental plane. Anger begins in the mental plane - as a thought. Something like,"That jerk messed up my bike." or "I can't stand my boss, they're always in my case." It's at that level - if we catch ourselves (by paying attention to what is in our present awareness) that we can begin to heal and deal with what appears to be a problem. Acknowledging anger - in the moment - as it comes to us - is fine ( in fact is very positive), if we use it as fuel and as a guide - and to accept our own responsibility in being part of the dance that is making us angry. Example: if we're picturing a mean boss in our mind - we create a mean boss. And/or, there's something in us that attracted us to a mean boss. We're attracting that kind of treatment to ourselves.

The beauty in this is that is empowers us, because we see that we our responsible for our experience. And if there's something in our experience we don't like - we can change it. And we change it by using the experience (which can be viewed as highly positive) to examine ourselves and find out more about what we really want.

Often people with low self esteem will wind up in lousy jobs with lousy pay and a lousy and often mean boss. Hey, the boss doesn't like their job, either. : ) Everyone in the situation feels powerless - because they put their own power outside of themselves. Mean bosses promote bad feelings in people who work for them. In turn, the workers become angry. And rather than accept their own responsibility for the creation of the situation, the workers often begin to stew all about the bad treatment. They begin gossiping, plotting, getting ill and calling in sick. They don't see a way out of their circumstances, other than to try to disempower their boss - and also the place where they work. And misery loves company. : )

Someone with some knowledge of metaphysics can see this type of situation as an opportunity for growth. If they look - really example the situation - they're not feeling worthy of a good job with good people and a good boss. It's at this point that the beautiful - bing, bing, bing can go off - and they realize.. "Hey, I'm creating this. And this is great, because I didn't realize my self worth was so low." At this point they can begin to examine what they want to create.

I think most people (on a deeper level) - if asked to really examine - would say something on the order of, "I want a good job where I'm appreciated and treated well." So, this is what the worker wants to create. The creation starts with the desire to have/create that kind of work situation. At that point, the worker begins to work at the mental level to begin describing - in as much detail as possible - their perfect work. As they do this - they begin to realize it. As they realize it, more and more ideas, and perhaps even new people come into their lives. Soon (as the mental ideas begin to resonate on the emotional plane) they begin to feel their new work situation. And then - in the blink of an eye - plop! They manifest the new job. Now, possibly, it could be in the same company - if that kind of opportunity can be be created for them there. If not, the new job will come from a new place.

Back to the cut on the arm: The worker who saw that they created the situation with a mean boss, and took - not only responsibility for its creation, but also created (on the mental plane) a new and better job - will have resolved their anger.

But we also have the class of workers - the ones out gossiping about the mean boss - who do not use the opportunity for growth. After awhile they're feeling mean themselves. After awhile they notice that the rate of injuries on the job increases - someone cuts their arm... another burns their hand on a stove... another gets their hand slammed in a car door... All this, because they're manifesting (now on the physical level) anger that was not resolved on the mental and emotional planes. It continued to exist.

Going to higher planes can be hugely beneficial - in that, it gets us above the clouds, and out of the storm. And it's there that we have the opportunity to really get an overview of our experience. We're not caught in emotional or mental turmoil. We can look indifferently - as an observer - and gather very powerful insight into not only how it came about, but to examine what we really want. It's from there that we're also open to higher ideas - for healing and wholeness. At these levels we can release and discharge massive amounts of energy, which, in turn, flows through us on all levels.

Cancer - or any other DIS-ease - works the same way. It begins on the mental plane, and if not resolved, works its way to the emotional plane, and if not resolved, works its way to the physical plane. Ideally, we want to catch and become aware during its early creation on the mental plane - and begin to work from there to resolve the dis-ease. It begins with ideas such as.. I'm not worthy ... I don't have support ... I hate my job ... my brother-in-law is an ****** ...

By the time the initial thought lowers in vibration to the emotional level - we begin to really feel it - which we often translate into a "knowing." At that point, not only do we think the boss is a jerk - you know it. This is often when the watercooler gossip increases. And the boss - who might have been a bit of jerk - turns into a huge jerk. Dis-ease manifests more in the company and workers. Here's a hint: all along the boss only wanted exactly what the workers wanted. To be valued and appreciated. : ) But none of them got that, because everyone put the cause of there experience outside of themselves.

Well, fast forward - years later - many of the workers got cancer and other dis-eases and died. The company (which developed its own cancer) was shut down.

But a few of them who got some type of dis-ease - looked deeper - and began searching for answers. And wound up finding information about healing, and about the vibratory nature of energy in the universe, and about becoming creators of the kind of world they want. And they began to awaken to their true nature. And they began to heal. And they began to increase in power. And they began becoming whole. And they began creating a new world and a new universe and a new life.

[CarolM]

Originally Posted by alexinspire

What I think is the willingness to be responsible.

I agree to what Steve Pavlina said. I have a friend who heal herself from cancer with "the Secret". She was a genius and a workaholic. She was shocked when she got to know she had a cancer.

She took 1 1/2 year to heal herself. She recovered and she is creating her new website about healing from cancer. Her secret is:

Don't blame anyone and take full responsibility what she has cause for her own health.

Right now, you can't say who's fault is this. The best what you can do right now is to support him so that he is willing to take responsible instead of saying "Fate is unfair" and start taking action to heal himself.

I know a Chinese doctor and nutritionist who healed over 3000 cancer patients! Recover from cancer is really happening and possible.

Alex, as I read your post it occurred to me that someone who is both a genius and a workaholic, may have simply needed a break.

How do we create breaks for ourselves?

Well, we realize we need a break, and instead of just taking the break, or giving ourselves a break, we create disease, disorders, illness. On a less drastic level, colds and flu's are short term fixes for getting a break. I think illness as a whole is self creation. There are many reasons we would manifest these things. Needing a break is one. Needing attention and care is another. I had cancer years ago, and I too take full responsibility for it. I know I created it, and I know the reasons why. Realizing that we need a break is the first step. Then taking the break, knowing that we deserve it, follows. Imagine caring for ourselves enough that we don't have to create illness. That's pretty powerful stuff.

Something else I've come to realize. On a larger scale. If we say there is cancer in the world. Well, guess what, there is. If we say there are starving children in the world, there are. Our acknowledgement/belief gives energy, and our energy manifests it. What if we simply created a world where everyone was healthy, fed, and had perfect self expression?

[Jules86]

Thanks lil Chris, for that suggestion, i think it's a really worthwhile idea. I found this site which has some excellent articles that i'll def be printing off to show dad =) Healing Cancer Naturally via Alternative Holistic Cancer Treatment: Welcome!

Also i think that the suggestion that we create illness in our lives because we need a break is also quite plausible, Dad definitely needed one n now he's getting one!

Thanks everyone!

[sk8joyful]

Originally Posted by Judge

You caused his cancer, because you are the only conscious being here.

Everything is you, there is no other time, no other people, no other to blame, judge and seek answers from.

But you always knew that right? Judge

wow! - Have you ever worked with cancering sufferers?
Asking, because it sure does not sound like it.

I have, been on both sides of this issue; and as such, would recommend that you get some relevant education plus experience, such that you can Add really-encouraging words, and positive suggestions. - IF that is you are sincerely interested in helping people heal...