What's wrong with my program, has it deleted Max?

[dancer]

Am I the only one missing Max?

[Rose of Cairo]

no you're not... I thought Max needed a pause again, but I've just seen that God is banned... I hope not forever!

[Frans]

Read what Max said about Steve Pavlina, and you'll understand why Steve banned him.

[cylon]

I think Max had a problem with gurus, but saw him/herself becoming one at the same time and started freaking out. I doubt this is the last of the Power™ though.

[seeker5]

Originally Posted by Frans

Read what Max said about Steve Pavlina, and you'll understand why Steve banned him.

I'd be very suprised if Steve banned him over that post. If someone writes a post that results in a ban, that post is deleted in the first place. Otherwise it woudn't make sense to ban if you leave the offending post up. Thus, my guess is Max probably wrote other posts that resulted in a ban.

[Blueskied]

Originally Posted by Frans

Read what Max said about Steve Pavlina, and you'll understand why Steve banned him.

Don't see this post as a reason to be banned, although it sounds pretty envious and not very polite. Maybe his frequent threads were the reason? He used the forums as his blog.

[Savage]

Originally Posted by Frans

Read what Max said about Steve Pavlina, and you'll understand why Steve banned him.

Nah, it wasn't that post. But shortly thereafter he went on tilt with trolling and personal attacks in a couple different threads (those posts were quickly nuked) and got himself banned. It's never pretty when a senior member self-destructs, but it happens. It even happened to a moderator during the first few months this forum was online.

In the past I've favored doing temporary bans for this sort of thing, but that has never seemed to work. For some reason when a member crosses the line into public meltdown, they never go back. Same thing happened with Uplift. It seems to be a pattern that people sabotage their accounts as a way of forcing themselves to move on when they sense it's time. This happens on a lot of other forums too.

Seeker5's posts pretty well summed it up, I think:
Steve Pavlina: Six Figure Blogging Video

[Savage]

The mods and I discussed Max using the forum as his personal blog a few months ago. Opinions were mixed. I'd received a few complaints about it, but I was actually in favor of him doing that. He added original content and spawned many discussions. It didn't seem like the best outlet for him personally, but it didn't see that it hurt the forums in any significant way.

[Sam988]

Originally Posted by Frans

Read what Max said about Steve Pavlina, and you'll understand why Steve banned him.

Ahhhh at last. This forum is one god down now



Wow looking at Max's post his envy at steve is very obvious. Maybe he freaked out because the millions of passive income he intended to manifest were taking too long to come, while steve is making around 40k a month from a home-based blog, which was obviously everything Max would ever want, but his reality manipulation powers appearently weren't strong enough to give him that.

[cylon]

I don't know what posts got deleted, so I can't give an opinion. I guess there comes a time to move on. Max was always very helpful and I think his posts all came from a genuine desire to learn and to help others. He posts great stuff elsewhere, I'm sure it's for the best.

[seeker5]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

Nah, it wasn't that post. But shortly thereafter he went on tilt with trolling and personal attacks in a couple different threads (those posts were quickly nuked) and got himself banned.

Thanks for the explanation.

[Frans]

Apparently, only the avatar "Max Power" got banned, not the person behind that nickname.
Welcome back, Max... oops, Jeff Barker.

[seeker5]

Originally Posted by Frans

Apparently, only the avatar "Max Power" got banned, not the person behind that nickname.
Welcome back, Max... oops, Jeff Barker.

Deleted what I wrote in this post because I wrongly assumed Jeff Barker got banned.

[Rose of Cairo]

hm? I don't see that Jeff Barker is banned. Did I miss something?

[seeker5]

Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo

hm? I don't see that Jeff Barker is banned. Did I miss something?

Whoops, I was wrong. I had seen his posts this morning, and then right before I wrote the above post, I did a search for his name and then looked in the members list and didn't see him so I assumed he had been banned and all posts deleted. I guess I was wrong. I just checked the IM forum and there he is.

It's obviously Max Power, the style and everything is the same. Does this mean when we get banned for going nuclear, we can just get another login and start as if nothing happened?

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

Nah, it wasn't that post. But shortly thereafter he went on tilt with trolling and personal attacks in a couple different threads (those posts were quickly nuked) and got himself banned. It's never pretty when a senior member self-destructs, but it happens. It even happened to a moderator during the first few months this forum was online.

Seeker5's posts pretty well summed it up, I think:
Steve Pavlina: Six Figure Blogging Video

Now I wonder what those posts were and also wonder why they were deleted - in that they could serve as an example of what this forum doesn't tolerate.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by seeker5

Whoops, I was wrong. I had seen his posts this morning, and then right before I wrote the above post, I did a search for his name and then looked in the members list and didn't see him so I assumed he had been banned and all posts deleted. I guess I was wrong. I just checked the IM forum and there he is.

It's obviously Max Power, the style and everything is the same. Does this mean when we get banned for going nuclear, we can just get another login and start as if nothing happened?

I think the forum is able to kick someone out based on their IP address, so if this new poster is Max Power, he has gone to extraordinary efforts to get back in.

[Sam988]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

I think the forum is able to kick someone out based on their IP address, so if this new poster is Max Power, he has gone to extraordinary efforts to get back in.

Hehe i wouldn't doubt about this possibility.

[jeff3]

hmmmm, looks the green eyed monster has reared it's head.

life goes on

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

I think the forum is able to kick someone out based on their IP address, so if this new poster is Max Power, he has gone to extraordinary efforts to get back in.

Really? It's weird. Here in Canada, I can get my IP changed rather quickly with a quick call to my ISP. I do remember that in the US a lot of ISP's use one shared IP which they proxy to many users so it might not be as easy.

[jeff3]

Originally Posted by impaul99

Really? It's weird. Here in Canada, I can get my IP changed rather quickly with a quick call to my ISP. I do remember that in the US a lot of ISP's use one shared IP which they proxy to many users so it might not be as easy.

for the tech savvy an IP address is a very small hurdle, not even a wrinkle.

[Lil Chris]

I think it's actually the IP of your computer (which doesn't change), not your internet connection IP... But still thwartable none the less... Most larger isp's in the US use addresses that change frequently, it costs more for a static ip...

[wolfgang]

There was a time a poster was kicked off and they moderators wrote (maybe even Steve) that they were able to notice the same ip trying to become a different user. But, yeah, maybe it's not that hard to present a different ip - maybe the MAC address - that would require a new pc. anyway, it would have been interesting to see the posts that Max got banned for.

[XeutonMojukai]

I have been in Max Power's shoes before, emotionally.

You look around, and think, "I have a message, too, and this seems like the place to get it out."

Then you think, "hey, wait a minute, that means this guy's making the money I could be earning from my idea..."

Then you try to make your own place, and advertise it, but somehow no one is interested enough that you want to carry on.

Next, you feel that your message and the one expressed by your "rival" are not mutually compatible on one site, and try to assert dominance where it is impossible to have such a thing.

Finally, like any empassioned, doomed rebellion, you are snuffed out, often with due warning and respect, by the person you felt was oppressing you (and no, Steve, I doubt you'd mean to oppress us).

Hopefully, he decides to more properly use his message, and learns from his mistakes.

If this forum was to become home to more than just one additional perspective, it seems like it could work well, but only one other is a lonely opposition, instead of a lively... well... forum.

Good luck finding more people with that kind of vision and drive. Hopefully things work themselves into a beautiful configuration.

~ David

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by XeutonMojukai

~ David

I like your sig. It compelled me to go to your site and click on an ad. Funny thing is that the ad was actually a pretty cool site it led me to and I even considered buying a book from there.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Frans

Read what Max said about Steve Pavlina, and you'll understand why Steve banned him.

Oh Max. That was so ..... stupid.

Of all people, LOA practitioners should understand that jealousy is a very unnecessary emotion.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Oh Max. That was so ..... stupid.

Of all people, LOA practitioners should understand that jealousy is a very unnecessary emotion.

I think where Max went wrong, and I've seen this from others too often, is that somewhere along the way he thought that Steve was a "guru" who writes this blog for "others" instead of "to make money". Then, as Steve made more and more money and publicly announced it, it broke Max's opinion of Steve.

The whole problem is rooted in the premise that it is somehow wrong to make money, whereas really we should accept that abundance is our natural state of being.

See for me, the more money Steve makes the MORE respect I have for him because it means he's opening up more to abundance. My opinion of him doesn't diminish as his net worth goes up. When I hear people make lots of money doing anything I get excited and happy for them, not jealous thinking that they are somehow taking that money away from me.

For example, when you write about making $22k in one day I get inspired, but I know some people will think "Bastard!" like now there is $22k less in the economy for them or something.

Anyway... I think this is just a stepping stone for Max on his journey. I wish him all the best in finding the path that he's seeking.

[Acting Like Godot]

Hmmm ..... Jeff Barker seems to have disappeared from the forum as well?

[cylon]

He's still kicking, just not here.

[seeker5]

Seems Max is back as BladeRunner now.

Originally Posted by BladeRunner

Max isn't dead, he's still living, just not how you'd think.