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11-13-2007, 10:59 AM
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 How did you 'convince' yourself that LoA works? Hi everyone, first post so here goes... I just recently came across the idea of the Law of Attraction from watching The Secret. Since then I've been scouring the internet reading all I can about it and it sounds truly exciting. But I'm having trouble persuading my mind to actually believe that it is true. This isn't due to a lack of wanting to believe, because I really do, it's just that my conditioned, 'logical' mind is having trouble actually believing in it, which I guess isn't surprising seeing as it's such a radical concept compared with the objective universe we're used to believing in. I decided to start out small, by manifesting some extra tips at my bar job. I set a specific amount and actually exceeded that, which was fantastic, but of course there's a nagging feeling that perhaps that was just a coincidence. I've also tried a couple of other things but with mixed results. The problem as I see it is this - for LoA to work, you need to believe in it, but for me to really believe in it, I need to see some proof in my life. It's a bit of a chicken-and-egg situation! I imagine many other people have been through this themselves, so my question is how did you manage to convince yourself that the LoA is genuine, so that you actually truly believed in it rather than just hoping it's true? Looking forward to your responses! Pete      |
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11-13-2007, 11:15 AM
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The difference? I have no idea. Wish I did. I didn't do anything different between the ones that manifested and the ones that didn't (at least as far as I can tell). So I'm just leaving it as an open question at this point, trying to stay positive, focused on feelings (which, for me personally, is extremely difficult) and detached from the result. It's a work in progress.
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11-13-2007, 12:43 PM
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| Well there's either coincidence or not. Either you are literally attracting everything or you aren't. It's easier sometimes to say it's all coincidence, because it doen't blow your mind that way. We attract good and bad. It's up to you to attract it and to put a label of good or bad on it. If it feels good and gives you peaceful feelings, you're probably thinking of and attracting the right things for you. If it scares you and causes you anxiety, you are probably attracting things which are beyond your ability to actually have them. So I guess the key is to feel you really deserve what you want, and don't dismiss everything that seems to indicate it's on its way. That's what I'm doing at least.  |
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11-13-2007, 12:52 PM
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I won't speak for anyone else here, but I know for a fact that my feelings lie to me. Some things that generate feelings of warmth, love and acceptance have turned out to be disastrously wrong (relationships especially). And some things that have left me trembling in fear have provided enormous opportunities for growth (skydiving and bungee jumping, for instance).
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11-13-2007, 01:00 PM
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| The feelings of doubt mean that you are in a resistant state. Relax, let go and enjoy more peace and joy. Let go of attachments. Learn to be happy in the moment. Second thing, I found out some people who used the LoA and said they did, who were successful. Scott Adams (Dilbert creator) talked about it in the last chapter of THe Dilbert Future (I highly recommend reading that chapter, it was one of those that helped me get LoA). Jessica Biel had a quotation on the back of Joe Vitale's book The Key. Oprah has claimed to use the LoA. Jim Carrey also talked about synchronisities once, and did a few LoA things in his rise to success (he had a cheque with his name on it made out to some relaly high number and that is what he got paid for one of his movies, Ace VEnture I think). THere is a gold medalist who holds a world record who now teaches LoA. On the less strong side, I remember Will Smith mentioning using "positive thinking" on this forum. Another one I've heard but not verified is that Bill Gates and Sir John Templeton have read Think and Grow Rich. Another way is to look at the successes of other people using LoA, check out the "What have you manifested recently?" thread in this forum, or look up Acting Like Godot (who's blogs are just phenomenal), or having a look at the link in my sig named A quantum leap in intention-manifestation. If you are of a logical mind, have a look at The Intention Experiment or The Field. I dunno how valid the science is in those books, but its supposed to be a collection of studies which lead to the conclusion that thoughts influence reality. Yet another way is to question your current view itself. Descartes put a strong division between our "mind" and the physical world and for some people its hard to see ourselves as part of the universe itself, but its essential to feel and think yourself a part of the universe with IM. HTH.
__________________ Mind-Manual "Pure hell forces action, but anything less can be endured with enough clever rationalization." - Tim Ferriss Last edited by RT Wolf : 11-13-2007 at 01:24 PM. |
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11-13-2007, 01:33 PM
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| I have many successful manifestations, too many for me to believe that they are just coincidences. However, here is one of the early big ones which went a long way to convince me. I manifested the intention to speak at an industry conference. I had no reputation or previous experience in speaking at any conference. In fact I had no idea of who I might approach about such a matter, and so I didn't approach anyone at all. One week later, my boss suddenly came to me and asked if I would speak at an international industry conference. I was surprised and said, "Ok, when is it?". It was just about 10 days later. I did my research in a big hurry, prepared my presentation, flew to another country and spoke at an international industry conference organised by a global association. I was (by far) the youngest speaker at the event, which is considered quite important & prestigious. Later I learned how it came to be, that I was invited to speak at the conference. In fact, a much more well-known speaker had already been selected to speak on the topic, many months earlier. Something came up in this speaker's personal life, just two days after i manifested my intention, and she informed the organisers that she would not be able to speak. The organisers then scrambled to find a replacement speaker who could speak on the same topic, but by a remarkable chain of coincidences, all the potential replacement speakers they thought of (including my boss) were not able to make it. My boss, however, suggested me. Since the organisers were already panicking and had no more time to look for anyone else, they agreed. To summarise, within 21 days of my manifesting an intention to speak at an industry conference, I actually did get to speak at an international industry conference organised by the leading global association. People were actually flying in from many different countries and paying thousands of dollars each to listen to me speak, LOL. |
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11-13-2007, 01:51 PM
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Last Winter I read "Ask and It Is Given" and was impressed by the notion of "deliberately thinking thoughts that feel good when you feel them." Deliberately feeling good, just by changing my thoughts -- that feels like real power to me. I also liked that book's approach, which is about manifesting feelings (or ways of being, as I call them), and "The Secret" kind of stuff didn't interest me as much -- you know, finding parking spots, "creating" material goods. It all came together for me when I did my 1-day atheist loa test. That day of generating delightful surprises eliminated any doubt for me about how much fun it is to use the Law of Attraction as one of my tools for creating a life I love. I think a lot of people are disappointed in the LoA mostly because they are focusing on material gain rather than what they'll have if they get that material gain -- that is, feelings and ways of being. It looks like the *stuff* can often trickle in slowly. But the Being you can manifest in the twinkle of an eye. I eliminate the middle man, because I don't want to delay my gratification. I'm immature that way! Why don't you try a similar test and see what happens? Love, Angela |
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11-13-2007, 02:12 PM
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| The *stuff* can come very quickly too. For example, on 2 November, I manifested the intention to have more time for my personal projects. Just five days later, on 7 November, my organisation suddenly announced that all employees' working hours are to be reduced with immediate effect. And encouraged everyone to maintain a healthy work/life balance. |
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11-13-2007, 02:15 PM
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| Yeah, ALG, you are a master! I agree that the stuff can come quickly, too; it just seems that many folks are focusing on that and are disappointed when either it doesn't show up right away, or it doesn't provide the satisfaction or fulfillment they would have expected from having it. |
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11-13-2007, 02:24 PM
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| I latched onto the logical side of Law Of Attraction and explored it that way after reading As a Man Thinketh, later renamed to As You Think. It explored the idea that your thoughts that you think all the time are the source of the actions in your life including the small decisions you make in day to day life and the things you talk about with people. These actions then leads to results which end up being a direct result of your thoughts. I had no doubt with this, it just makes sense. If you think about being wealthy, you will do those things that will make you wealthy and avoid those that don't for example. The book also created the concept of being able to use your awareness to "weed out the bad thoughts" by actively picking which things you think about. This is probably the most important lesson in the book, that by listening to your thoughts and honouring only those that will help, you guide your thoughts into helpful patterns that influence and improve the actions you take. The tricky part however is when you start experiencing aligning syncronicities that can't be explained by coincidence. Things you think about appear as if you willed them into existance. Yes, there's always a reason why behind it, but as far as your view goes it's like it was just magical. It's from there you can start to experiment experientially with thought patterns and it's influence on this so called "real world" of ours. I say if you are highly logical, instead of looking for what is illogical about LoA, look at what makes sense, and try out what you do believe in about it. Much of it is common sense, ie: thoughts to action to results, but just as much of it is not logical. It's only when your logical mind has been tricked into enough falsities that it starts letting down the barriers of being right about things enough to experience what the world is really like. To get the book: As A Man Thinketh -- FREE eBook -- timeless classic by James Allen I hope you see something new for yourself out of this. Parthon. ps. Supposedly you can get Think and Grow Rich from there for free too now. |
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11-13-2007, 02:57 PM
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| Wow thanks for all the responses guys, they've been awesome. There's a lot to think about, I'll try to address it all, so apologies if this is a long reply! cdn2wheeler - your point about remaining detached from the outcome struck me. I think that by treating my intentions as a way of prooving/disproving the LoA I was staying very much attached to the outcome. I think that's a natural thing to do when you're trying to explore something as 'way out' as this, but I'll do my best to stay detached in the future. clyon - I agree that it's a good idea to focus on the feeling rather than the outcome. I find in life that my feelings really do dictate the way I behave - if I feel positive I am naturally more motivated and tend to produce desirable results. Of course you could argue whether this is down to the LoA or simple psychology, but either way I know that when I feel good about myself, my life turns out better, so that's definitely something for me to focus on. RT Wolf - thanks for all your examples, I'd heard a few of those before but many are new to me, and it's always nice to read about people who have achieved success through this sort of practice. Thanks also for pointing me in the direction of those books; I've actually got The Field and found that fascinating, I'll seek out a copy of The Intention Experiment next. ALG - Your stories are really inspiring, it sounds like you're already a master at this! Your first story in particular is great - there are just so many 'coincidences' that it seems almost impossible that there wasn't a higher power behind it all. Angela - your point about focussing on feeling good really resonated with me. As I mentioned above, I have found that when I feel good my life goes better, whether there's a rational explanation or not, so either way being positive is something I'm trying to concentrate on more and more. Just yesterday I finally got around to creating a vision board. (Ironically, I've been 'wanting to' for about 10 months now, but still hadn't, then 2 days ago I decided to 'intend to' and lo and behold, within 24 hours I'd done it!). I now intend to spend time every day looking at my vision board and experiencing the happy feelings it produces, as well as meditating more regularly. Parthon - I like your approach. I too have no trouble 'believing' that thoughts lead to actions lead to results. I guess with the LoA there is a further leap of faith to believing that thoughts lead directly to results - maybe you will manifest the intermediate actions or maybe the results will come some other way. Although I am a fairly rational and logical person, I am also very open minded as I believe there are probably more things that we don't understand than those we do. Thanks for the book links too, I'll download those and add them to the ever-growing pile of material to work my way through! I think overall I'm just going to keep focussing on holding positive thoughts and feelings and doing the things I enjoy doing and hopefully the 'proof' will come along of its own accord. In fact I'll make it my intention to believe in the LoA  Pete |
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11-13-2007, 07:14 PM
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| reply (espcecially for Acting Like Godot) am I the only one who thinks that when I think the thoughts I consciously intend to have, that my attitude about life, about myself, about my relationships, whatever, changes. And that when I have an attitude that is pleasant, certain, and energized that I probably am more likely to produce results that I want? For example, Acting Like Godot, don't you think that you were being someone that could pull off the speaking gig? Your boss wouldn't have put his reputation on the line with his colleagues unless he was certain that you were a professional who could get the job done. I am not trying to prove anyone wrong, I just want to challenge my own thoughts on the matter. Thanks in advance. |
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11-13-2007, 07:20 PM
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I think you are really an expert at creating ways of being that inspire others, and get you what you want, both *stuff* and *nonstuff*. I think that is your preeminent way of being: Being Inspiring. |
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11-13-2007, 07:59 PM
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| 10 years ago I really needed something to happen (health issue) A freind told me how to imagine the outcome I wanted to every detail before I go to sleep, then say thank you it happened (before it did). and let go. I did it and the next day my wish came true exactly as I imagined it. I was shocked, I called my friend, who just laughed and said, now, everything you want you can get like that. he gave me the book "conversations with god" he said, test everything thats written in there, before you believe it, and I have been ever since. So thats the best way. Spend time imagining and wishing, and pretending to believe, until you have no choice, but to really believe cause you have so much proof. |
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11-13-2007, 09:44 PM
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| I probaly had an advantage when I first read about LOA because I had already come to realize that the way I had been raised to belive that the world worked was simply not true. Six months before reading the book The Secret I had, out of sheer unhappiness, quit my job and left the religion I had been a part of for thirteen years. Not an easy thing to do mind you. I spent the next six months searching for answers. After reading the Secret I looked back on my life and could see LOA in action. It explained some incidences in my past that I had always wondered about as being unusual or quite a coincidence. I also started out with the 17 second visulization process and it worked. Since then I have read more books and done more study on the topic. Some other things I have manifested are a $50 dollar bill, a $20 dollar bill, and three pizza lunches (yes, I like pizza too). I think Pizza lunches are easy because their easy to forget about after visulizing. After using LOA in an intentional manner I don't believe there are any coincidences any more. Its all LOA. |
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11-14-2007, 03:45 AM
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| You should make a habit of communicationg with your subconscious mind every night and every morning, and start of by asking for something small. Your subconscious communicates with you through hints, six sense or hunches, and you have to learn to look out for this. It may be very difficult to accept this in the beginning. But then, if famous people can go on national tv and say this really works, then you might as well believe them. Why would they jeopardise their success, future, honor or reputation advocating something that is not true. ---------------------------------------------- Power-To-Live.com |
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11-14-2007, 08:05 AM
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I work in a very specialised, technical field. My boss nominated me not because I was particularly clever or particularly talented .... but because I happened to be the guy in the department who was doing the kind of work which that particular conference speaker was supposed to speak on. If any other conference speaker (who would be speakiing on some other topic) had dropped out, I wouldn't be able to step in .... So you see - there was a remarkable chain of "coincidences" that needed to happen, for my intention to be manifested. It's like the universe did all this: (a) located a suitable conference with a suitable topic (b) removed the original speaker (c) made all other potential replacement speakers unavailable (d) led the organisers to my boss (e) got the boss to lead the organisers to me, (f) helped me with my Powerpoint presentation all within 20 days of me manifesting the intention. By (f), what I mean is that the original speaker even sent me her slides (which she had already prepared) and said that I could adapt and use them at the conference (this saved me a lot of pain, because otherwise it would have been very challenging to get all the materials together under such a tight deadline), If this episode was a one-off, it would still be logically possible to dismiss this as a coincidence, albeit a rather remarkable one. But the more I experimented with LOA, the more remarkable coincidences occurred .... and I just eventually reached the point when it would have been ILLOGICAL for me not to believe in LOA. ----- At the end of this week, my wife and I are taking a short holiday on an island resort. We don't plan to do very much sightseeing at all. What we actually plan to do is take advantage of the tranquil, peaceful, idyllic atmosphere to do a very GREAT amount of intending, meditation, manifesting and visualisation ....... sending out positive thoughts and intentions on every aspect of our lives - career, family, finances, health, hobbies, personal development, spiritual stuff, friends, relatives etc etc. And we are seriously expecting, as a result of all this manifestation, to have lots of amazing, good, positive stuff and experiences come into our lives, in the days, weeks and months after our holiday ... maybe through 2008. Maybe that's what all you semi-skeptics should try doing. Make aside some serious time, for some serious manifesting ....... I believe you will really, really see some big results. |
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11-14-2007, 11:21 PM
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| Thanks again for all your replies, they're really encouraging and inspiring. For some time now I've been making it a daily aim to go for a long walk, which I really enjoy and find it always lifts my mood. Recently I have been listening to the audio track from The Secret on my MP3 player - I find it makes the walks even more enjoyable! I was doing that again tonight when something struck me - the LoA works whether or not you believe or understand it. This means that my original question is somewhat irrelevant - the only thing that matters is that I keep focussing on the things I want to attract in my life. As many of you have suggested, I am now taking time in the morning and evening (and sometimes in the middle of the day too) to focus on what I want to attract and really arouse the feelings of joy that this brings. I've even made a digital version of a vision board which I've set as my computer's desktop background. I find it a great form of meditation, and I'd recommend it to anyone who isn't already doing it. |
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11-15-2007, 07:50 AM
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| I created many synchronistic events to "prove" this stuff to my logical mind back in 2002/2003. The short story of one of those events went something like this: A friend and co-worker of mine who was studying synchronistic events with me would always come into my office and say "I found another piece to solving the rubiks cube." It was kind of a mental image we had of all the books we were reading. Almost like each book brought us closer to solving the "cube". We started accelerating our "synchronistic" event really quickly and I remember getting to the point where I could "feel" his energy when he would come into the building. Meaning, I would be sitting in my office and I would "know" that he was going to come into my office and then like 10 seconds later he would walk in. Anyway, one day he came into my office and announced that "Forget about solving the rubiks cube Paul, I shattered the thing into pieces." referring to the latest book he just read. I was in the middle of something so I said to him "Give me 5mins, I'll finish this and then lets go for a walk and you can tell me about it." I just got this idea to leave the office and take a walk down a few blocks towards this park down from our offices where we would sometimes go to get away from interruptions. We were walking towards the park and about two blocks from our office we both stopped dead in our tracks. In front of us, on the sidewalk was a shattered rubiks cube with pieces of it scattered all over the sidewalk. Prior to that day, I haven't even seen a rubiks cube for like a decade. Also I have never seen a "shattered" one, ever, before or after that day. I still have the pieces of it and sometimes carry them in my pocket when I want to create other synchronicities. Shortly after that event I attracted the book "The Science of Getting Rich" which, as you may know, is the book behind The Secret. I have used the teachings of the book to make a pile of money amongst other things. If I would give you one word of advice on "proof". Just ask for it. Honestly say "Universe, I am ready to receive undeniable proof that will satisfy my wise and logical mind that synchronicities exist. At the same time, bring me whatever books, materials, teachings, wisdom or anything else my logical mind would need in order to accept LoA as true without it completely ruining my life." Essentially, ask for proof but also ask for an explanation as to how it can be possible for LoA to exist and at the same time for your life to go on so that you don't freak out, turn into a mental case and get locked up in an insane asylum. That's kind of what I did. I got the proof, and I also got all the explanations I would need to accept LoA as common sense. |