How did you 'convince' yourself that LoA works?

[petewilliams]

Thanks RT. I've actually found a PDF version of the book which I find a little easier on the eye, so I'm going to get cracking on that this afternoon!

Pete

[themaster]

I'll just answer the question "I didn't"

What I did do is what I've always done.. run through my head a thousand things.. and see if a universal theory can match it?

The normal things that run through my head are base questions of..

If hitler died why should he be punished, what makes him a sinner vs. a man who steals a lollipop? What makes a child molester a bad person?
Why is there always a quantitative variable that defies logic.. example: Scientist tell us we all eat calories and that they can measure are energy intake.. they say water has 0 intake meaning it does nothing and is not energy.. They tell us that people out there that can eat and eat and eat and gain not 1 pound are anomalies yet to be understood..

They tell us that people that are abducted by aliens are just.. "crazy"
They tell us all mystery's can be explained scientifically eventually.. mystery's such as remote viewing, psychic phenomena, manipulations of machines/computers through thought..

And they even have the gall to define laws (law of gravity, E=mc2) that we cannot supposedly pass nor break.. yet eventually they figure out how to break them, themselves..

And the last thing that runs through my head is a coincidence analysis program (I designed it myself ) which tells me in my real world life.. I find way too many coincidences.. and notice effects that define or break mathematical probability

Bottom line is for me.. I prove my religion (as I think of it) one day at a time.. and always test it.. and always become surprised and amazed..

[RT Wolf]

I'm not so sure about you, but I discovered after doing some probing that it is not necessarily that my logical mind can't accept LoA, under the guise of being "scientific", but it is just such a strange idea. Continually revealing the idea to me (in the form of reading a lot on IM and talking to people who believe in IM) helped to get used to it.

The other thing I realized was that I've indentified myself as being a rational/logical person, and that label has caused me to automatically reject things which science has not verified (which is alot of stuff, science and th scientific method is surprisingly limited if you look into it). Essentially, it was not "science" or the scientific method, it was the illusion of authority on the truth. The otehr thing was I'm still a little afraid of being called "unscientific" (which amounts fo "gullible" for me, unfortunately) and coming under ridicule from people. I'm pretty afraid of ridicule.

Perhaps you have similar blocks? Hope this helps.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by RT Wolf

I'm not so sure about you, but I discovered after doing some probing that it is not necessarily that my logical mind can't accept LoA, under the guise of being "scientific", but it is just such a strange idea. Continually revealing the idea to me (in the form of reading a lot on IM and talking to people who believe in IM) helped to get used to it.

The other thing I realized was that I've indentified myself as being a rational/logical person, and that label has caused me to automatically reject things which science has not verified (which is alot of stuff, science and th scientific method is surprisingly limited if you look into it). Essentially, it was not "science" or the scientific method, it was the illusion of authority on the truth. The otehr thing was I'm still a little afraid of being called "unscientific" (which amounts fo "gullible" for me, unfortunately) and coming under ridicule from people. I'm pretty afraid of ridicule.

Perhaps you have similar blocks? Hope this helps.

This might help with the ridicule thing. Lets say a "scientific" friend of yours is ridiculing you. Ask him/her "Do you believe you are a smarter scientist than Einstein"?

If they say yes, they obviously have Ego issues and you should ignore them anyways.

If they say no, then say to them - "Ok, well, since we've established that Einstein is a smarter scientist than you, and he believed in God, who is scientifically not proven, it proves that Einstein believed in unproven things."

The way I see it, LoA and all this "New Agey" stuff is actually more scientific than science. And when you say "unscientific", it's really just common high-school science that it doesn't agree with. If you go up to high level science, it doesn't disagree with LoA etc.

So in reality, the only people in the scientific community who may ridicule you are people with a high-school science understanding or less.

[petewilliams]

I definitely agree that science is limited, and there are most likely more things that we don't know than those we do. Based on that I figure that there's no way to tell whether something is true or not other than just giving it a go, so that's what I'm concentrating on.

Paul, I like your point about Einstein, and quantum theory is proving wacky stuff every day. Some of them make the LoA look relatively tame!

Pete

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by petewilliams

Paul, I like your point about Einstein, and quantum theory is proving wacky stuff every day. Some of them make the LoA look relatively tame!

Pete

I know! LoA is like easy to accept compared to some of the stuff they are discovering.

The one thing that baked my noodle from "What the Bleep do we Know" was that our brain can only process like 20,000 sensory inputs per second but our senses register something like 40,000,000,000 (not sure the exact number). The point is that we can only even PROCESS like less than 0.0001 what we actually SENSE.

That's freaky enough. However, the wackiest thing is that one of the filters that we have built in (unconsciously) is that IF something "can't exist" based on our belief systems, we will NOT see it.

That basically means that if we had a strong enough belief that there is no such thing as a purple Zebra, there could be one standing right in front of us and we wouldn't see it. Meaning, our eyes would see it, but the brain would not register it.

I've seen total evidence of this when I was training with a professional magician. Through applying certain psychological misdirection, he could do certain things and nobody would see it. It's SOOO WEIRD. Meaning, he would do a trick for me and I wouldn't see what he's doing. THen, once I learned how it's done, I could totally see what he's doing and it seemed so obvious but the other people totally don't see it.

[cdn2wheeler]

I did a small experiment last night and today to try and re-inforce some LoA. Using a process described in another thread about counting down from 50 while getting ready to go to sleep, I got into an alpha state - at least I think I was - and visualized an apple on my desk. For some reason, the visualization kept turning the apple into a red pepper; dunno why. My "request to the universe" was for an apple to be placed on my desk (at work) sometime today.

Alas, the day came and went, no apple.

[RT Wolf]

You know, I had this idea earlier yesterday. I was finding it hard to ask for "good" stuff for me (i think this may have something to do with how good you feel about yourself, but who knows), in this case for my bus to stop at just my stop (its the third one after th station) so I could get home quickly, and I realized that some of us get so finicky about asking for the littlest things and attach soooo much importnace to them, turning them into proof or non-proof whether IM exists or whether we will ever master it or if so, the possibilities are limitless, so its almost like not being able to make this bus stop at just my stop = me never having all the things I want, or something, etc. We just get too attached, especailyl me.

So, I thought, why not get reverse proof? Imagine things going bad, but bad specifically. Imagine the bus stopping at every single stop before my stop, delaying me. Or imagine missing the bus, or not finding a single parking space, etc. Plug in your own examples, preferrably something that does happen regularly, like if you get coffee at work, then create not being able to get coffee at work. It might just be easier to create this less than good stuff, and you still get hte joy of creation and the rush of creation. Might make it easier if you're particularly resistant like me.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by cdn2wheeler

I did a small experiment last night and today to try and re-inforce some LoA. Using a process described in another thread about counting down from 50 while getting ready to go to sleep, I got into an alpha state - at least I think I was - and visualized an apple on my desk. For some reason, the visualization kept turning the apple into a red pepper; dunno why. My "request to the universe" was for an apple to be placed on my desk (at work) sometime today.

Alas, the day came and went, no apple.

Wooo...way too many implications in such a manifestation. If you did see the apple, you'd probably freak out. Try something less freaky. For example, just visualize an apple. Don't put a time limit to it or the place where it shows up.

It may show up a lot sooner than you think.
However, most likely, this point in your LoA manifestation skillset, it will show up in an "explainable" way, which will drive you nuts because you'll manifest the thing, but you'll have an explanation for it and you still won't know if LoA works.

For example, someone just told me that they manifested $50 yesterday in 5mins. They visualized $50, and then a few moments later they logged into an old bank account they had and realized there was $50 they had in there that they totally forgot about. Now...did they manifest the money? Yes and no. No, because the money was already in the account, but Yes because they forgot about it and now it was in their possession. He's still not convinced LoA works, but he's plugging away at it.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by cdn2wheeler

Alas, the day came and went, no apple.

But did you get any red peppers?

Cdn2wheelers, with conscious creation, you're going to get hits and misses (because you, and me, and everybody else, has imperfect control over our thoughts).

But with practice, you'll increase your proportion of hits and decrease your proportion of misses. Hang in there, and just remember, if you really, really want an apple, there are easier ways to get an apple.

[Lil Chris]

It seems that what ever you try and manifest, it will arrive in such a way as to allow you the opportunity to justify where or how it came to you. (possibly letting you blow it off as coincidence). But by now, you should know better, there are no coincidences... Admitidly, sometimes tough to grasp mentally.

One thing I've been doing lately is trying to pay attention to where my attention is.What do I mean by that (you may ask), let me give an example, I've been looking for something to heat my house like a wood burning stove, and found something called a wood pellet stove (it burns wood pellets in stead of wood logs, looks like rabbit food) anyway the next day in the mail I get a flyer for Sutherland's that has these stoves in it for like half the price I found on the web... Coincidence...?

[cylon]

I've been keeping a list of all the things that happen in the day. Not just intentions, but just my thoughts showing up in the "world" and I don't even want to write the list at the end of the day because there are too many of them. But I will. Because when I read them they freak me out.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by cylon

I've been keeping a list of all the things that happen in the day. Not just intentions, but just my thoughts showing up in the "world" and I don't even want to write the list at the end of the day because there are too many of them. But I will. Because when I read them they freak me out.

Excellent. I too have found this technique to work. I'll set intentions, forget about them, and then months later I'll find them and go "Holy crap, I totally forgot about this." Journaling can be a powerful tool on the LoA journey.

I did a synchronicity journal once and it was pretty freaky stuff. It gets crazy after a while how much stuff you write down.

[cylon]

Originally Posted by impaul99

It gets crazy after a while how much stuff you write down.

Yeah, at some point I think it's going to take as much time to write them down as it is going to experience them... it's not like "yeah at this point the LOA was at work" because it's 24/7.

[RT Wolf]

^ Heh, I've been doing that for a few months now, too. I was thinking that it might be an interesting thing to open source at some point, to give a peak into another person's journey with the law. It's all in digital form for me, so that should be easy. But I shall wait until the the time feels right. Just the act of writing down my intentions is a powerful thing, so sometimes I'll restate certain intentions.

[petewilliams]

Paul, I've seen "What the Bleep..." too and found it a pretty interesting film, kind of like a more scientific version of "The Secret". The point they made about us only noticing a tiny fraction of what our senses observe is definitely worth thinking about. Even if you don't believe in the LoA it still makes sense that if you put your attention on the stuff you do want, you're more likely to notice it when it shows up because your brain won't filter it out as 'noise'.

cdn2wheeler, I've tried experiments like yours and also failed, and I think I'm beginning to see why. Firstly, like you, I put a very specific time limit on what I wanted to attract. Secondly, rather than staying detached from the outcome, I was actually doing the complete opposite, because I was expecting this to be either proof or disproof of the LoA. It reminds me of a quote from Marc Allen's book The Millionaire Course. He says to state your intentions daily and follow them with the words "...in its own perfect time...". I think this means you should send out your intentions and then put yourself in a state of acceptance, so that you are ready to receive the things you want, rather than becoming impatient when it doesn't show up immediately.

As mentioned above, another thing I noticed is that when I do manifest something I intend, there is almost always a logical explanation for it (e.g. "Well I didn't manifest that apple, Sarah gave it to me"). But I think that this is the manifestation process in action - you send out your intentions to the universe, and then it figures out a way to deliver them to you, and the easiest way to do that might be to just get someone else to give it to you. Although this is 'explainable', that doesn't mean it wasn't you who manifested it.

I like the sound of keeping a list of my intentions and the things that manifest. I've been keeping a diary for the last 11 months where I keep track of how my life is going, and I think this would be an extension of that.

Pete

[mej023]

What you are experiencing today is the result of your vibrations from the past.

Abraham-Hicks refers to the technique of prepaving.

Example:

I used to always have the worst experience while driving. I would have the rudest drivers cutting me off (and sometimes flipping me off). I caught every train and red light. I was always sitting on the highway because of an accident.

After learning about the LOA and prepaving, I affirmed everyday before getting into the car that my trip would be safe and smooth sailing!

It took a while but now every time I drive I have an enjoyable experience. I catch green lights more often than not. I don't sit on the highway. I don't have rude drivers cutting me off. I find good parking spots.

The point is that I did not visualize all of that and then jump into the car expecting it to be perfect. It took a while for the thought energy / vibration to change the universe for me.

Same thing with the apple on your desk. One day you might just find your whole life buried in apples.

[cdn2wheeler]

Originally Posted by mej023

After learning about the LOA and prepaving, I affirmed everyday before getting into the car that my trip would be safe and smooth sailing!

I'm not familiar with the prepaving process, but oddly enough I actually do this before I sit on my motorcycle. It has less to do with red lights or other things like that, it's more about safety and awareness; I "think" myself as visible so other drivers know I'm coming - if there's a tangle between a motorcycle and a car or truck, you can be pretty sure which one will come out in better shape - and "think" myself as being hyper-aware of what's going on around me.

Maybe I'm prepaving without even knowing it..!

Still, it would have been nice to see an apple on my desk yesterday, if for nothing else rather than some gentle confirmation...

Originally Posted by petewilliams

Marc Allen's book The Millionaire Course. He says to state your intentions daily and follow them with the words "...in its own perfect time...".

I'm not sure I get the "in its own perfect time" thing. Now, I'm not familiar with Allen's book so I may very well be missing something, but Napoleon Hill writes of making one's goals specific, which includes a definite time-frame for achieving the goal. That, to my mind, tends to run counter for the "in its own perfect time" mind-set.

Again, I'm willing to be wrong here as I haven't read Allen's book...

[cylon]

cd--you may want to check out some of the Hicks' books, if you haven't already. Ask and it is Given is the most popular. I just finished Law of Attraction which is shorter, and it gets into the pre-paving thing.

[themaster]

I'm not so sure about you, but I discovered after doing some probing that it is not necessarily that my logical mind can't accept LoA, under the guise of being "scientific", but it is just such a strange idea. Continually revealing the idea to me (in the form of reading a lot on IM and talking to people who believe in IM) helped to get used to it.

It's a religion Wolf and I know people out there don't want to call it that cause it's a stigma but my definition is "religion"..

My causes are..
- It's a fundamental process rethink
- For some parts of the religion there are life after death answers..

I honestly can't understand those.. that take LOA or The Secret at face value.. and don't ask the bigger questions.. why does it work? Why are we here? etc. there all connected..

It's just a persona of my type seeks absolute knowledge.. and must have the background answers too..

I use segment intending for my driving like you mej023 of course I never have any problems anyway.. but when a rare one comes up.. (like say when I wasn't driving) nothing bad happens anyway..

He says to state your intentions daily and follow them with the words "...in its own perfect time...". I think this means you should send out your intentions and then put yourself in a state of acceptance, so that you are ready to receive the things you want, rather than becoming impatient when it doesn't show up immediately

Thanks pete.. this gave me a shiver it did..

Yes Lil Chris no coincidences.. I believe abraham says.. "everything you are getting is a exact match to your vibration/or what you are thinking"