How it works ? Opinions

[Dharma]

Originally Posted by jeff3

My purpose for starting this thread was to get opinions on exactly what the underlying action is that causes manifestation to occur. How does thinking of a "thing" or "event" bring it into your reality? Is it even within our grasp at this time to understand ?

Child's post is mighty on-target. Worth a second read.

Your choice in the moment creates. The choice is not made by the mind, but the consciousness. Consciousness also chooses to create the mind and thoughts in the moment, so the mind has no hope of seeing how creation 'works' because it is at the far-side of the whole matter. To use a train analogy - the mind is the caboose rather than the engine.

If you want to use a process or set of steps to manifest something, the mind has already slipped in the back door and is trying to use terms it is familiar with. Consciousness doesn't use steps, or time, or a process to manifest.

'Choice' is 98% unconscious right now. Stop trying to drive the rollercoaster... it's on tracks. Your ability to be in the moment, at ease, and allowing the moment to be as it is, is your best way to receive the manifestation your mind desires, be it love, joy, abundance, passion, adventure, or the unknown. Resistance will show up in your rollercoaster ride. You need to stay open (especially emotionally) and allow space to open for the expression of self.

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by Dharma

If you want to use a process or set of steps to manifest something, the mind has already slipped in the back door and is trying to use terms it is familiar with. Consciousness doesn't use steps, or time, or a process to manifest.

Dharma, what distinction do you personally draw between "mind" and "consciousness"?

[Dharma]

Originally Posted by Anagogy

Dharma, what distinction do you personally draw between "mind" and "consciousness"?

I see the mind as things like logic, time, labels, knowing, processes, and sets of linear steps. Consciousness is that which chooses to create -- the volition behind manifestation (on any dimension of reality - doesn't have to be the physical one).

[Dharma]

I just want to add... think of our current state of being as an overcast day. We yearn for sunlight, we desire sunlight, we focus our minds and make the Law of Sunlight or the Secret Sunlight in order to bring the sunlight to us.

The sunlight is already there, but we pretend it's not. A process to create or manage sunlight is not needed. The sun is there. Just like all your desires are already manifest, so is the sun. The process one needs to attend to is clearing the clouds that block the sun and stop creating more clouds.

As far as manifestation goes -- it happens, it's effortless, you don't have to do anything to make it happen. This is what I meant when I said "stop trying to drive the rollercoaster... it's on tracks". Let go of all control and really sink into the moment. You'll get to where you need to go. Wanting to be somewhere different than where you are will bring more clouds into your experience. That's why Buddhists equate desire (wanting) with suffering.

[maxdof]

How it works?
It doesn't.

law of attraction
manifesting

[jeff3]

Originally Posted by maxdof

How it works?
It doesn't.

law of attraction
manifesting

sure it does, even for you as you troll this forum.

[jawillie]

Originally Posted by maxdof

How it works?
It doesn't.

law of attraction
manifesting

You cannot convince me of that, but I respect your beliefs that work for yourself.

[akirwan222]

Thanks for your information. It is very interesting. I have thought about this subject for years. In fact, I just finished writing a book about it called The Science of Getting Rich Revisited available on Amazon.com. While I agree that no one really knows how it works for sure, there are two primary categories of explanations. The first group of explanations are based on things we actually can actually test and "know" scientifically. There are numerous neuroscience and psychological studies dealing with topics such as happiness and well being, gratitude, belief, priming, etc., that provide significant insight into how and why a Law of Attraction practice may produce tangible real world benefits. While I think that most of the "scientific" explanations based on quantum physics that are presently being bantered about fall short of being truly scientific, we need to keep an open mind. The second group explanations are based on things that we cannot prove using the scientific method. These explanations are akin to Søren Kierkegaard's "subjective knowledge" which he argued was more important that "objective (i.e., scientific) knowledge." Just because something cannot be proven using the science of today, does not mean that it doesn't exist or is wrong. Furthermore, science tends to be much more problematic when applied to our subjective
reality.

I have used the Law of Attraction for years and have benefited greatly by it. The real power lies in using a balanced and integrated approach which encourages intellectual honesty, curiosity, belief in one’s self and a Higher Power, common sense, and taking action. If used in an honest and pragmatic way, it can change your life for the better and help you find to find true inner happiness. As philosopher and scientist, Alfred Korzybski once said "There are two ways to slide easily through life: to believe everything or to doubt everything. Both ways save us from thinking." I believe that the topic of the law of Attraction will be fertile ground for thoughtful consideration for years to come.