Look no further, this is it.

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by qed

For example, you know your own experience in detail, but not mine! I simply exist in your relative awareness as someone typing these lines... You have no clue who I am, what I do, what my thoughts are, etc.. The "absolute present moment awareness" includes the knowledge and awareness of everything in the same way you know your own relative awareness and experience.

Relative awareness implies multiple awareness, as in you have yours and I have mine. So you enter mine and then leave, go off and have your own awareness outside of mine, just like people in the real world.

While you can choose to believe it works like that, I choose not to.

People are real, but they are not conscious, present moment awareness is consciousness, but it's not it's creations. God doesn't become what it creates. Present moment awareness which is consciousness/god/thought, is singular, it's not shared outside of itself, for there is no outside.

The only thing you can ever really know for sure (and even that's a stretch) is that you are present in the moment and aware, hence you are present moment awareness, everything else could be wrong therefore it can't be trusted.

Plus when you believe you are everything, nothing can hurt you and you can create everything and anything you desire, of course you're also 100% responsible for EVERYTHING in awareness. That's the stumbling block for most people, fear of responsibility.

Max

[Brigid]

A Source connected insight........no additives.

Thanks Max

[qed]

Originally Posted by Max Power

While you can choose to believe it works like that, I choose not to.

To each, his own.

[Lil Chris]

Originally Posted by qed

To each, his own.

And that is the whole point right there... Each of us has the ability to develop what they believe to be true for them selves, a choice is made on what is true, but because one believes something different than you doesn't make either party wrong. There is only truth, no matter what you perceive the truth to be. This comes from within, and is validated from without (on the outside of you).

The idea is to develop truths that work for you to make your life better more enjoyable and abundant...

So we sit here and go round and round about what the truth is... all the while the truth is and has always been what you believe it to be, no matter what that is...

[qed]

Originally Posted by Lil Chris

all the while the truth is and has always been what you believe it to be, no matter what that is...

And that's the point LoA and SR confederates would have you believe, and that is the point where it starts diverging from the truth.

Truth is not whatever you believe it to be even if it appears to be that way for a while (perhaps a long while). There is a system and structure. You can either align yourself with it, or you can align yourself with whatever you fancy. Ultimately the system works as it does and you live the consequences of whatever you believed and did or did not do.

And you are correct. There is no reason to discuss if everyone is happy with their own beliefs, so I'm done.

[Lil Chris]

Look, I wasn't trying to be confrontational... I was just explaining what I see. I'm just looking for the truth. Perhaps I'm looking in the wrong spot. If you have the truth I'd be glad to hear it...

Originally Posted by qed

There is a system and structure.

Perhaps, before you go you would explain to me what you think this system and structure is...? And how I might align myself with it...? Is it possible that I'm the one who generated the system in the first place...?

[Ilya]

I do believe in LoA, although I don't call it this way. I use it. But I'm taken aback by the way people tend to share the information about the LoA. They do it as if it is indeed a scientific law.

As Acting like Godot wrote, LoA currently belongs to the body of non-scientific knowledge. It does not mean that the phenomenon of IM does not exist. It just means that it was not explored by scientific methods yet. And when it will be, it will not be called the Law of Attraction. It will be called the Theory of Attraction. The same as there is no Law of Relativity. There is the theory.
LoA is best described not by pseudo physics texts, but by fiction. "Illusions" by Richard Bach, "Alchemist" by Paolo Coelho. Great manuals to the LoA.
But somehow, the proponents of LoA (or the marketing people behind LoA products) feel the need to sound scientific. This way they annoy rational people, confuse the beginners and create a hostile environment around such a useful tool as IM.

Originally Posted by surfsucks

1. Everything in the Universe is made of energy (including me and you and our thoughts).

2. Energy vibrates.

3. As we vibrate, so we attract (like attracts like).

In summary, everything vibrates, and like vibrations seek each other out.

Why oh why someone has invented the metaphor of vibration to explain the phenomenon of LoA? And why does this meme is still going around?

It is just a broken and inaccurate metaphor.
Point 1 is ok. Yes the modern science shows that the universe consists of energy in different forms.
Point 2 - "Energy vibrates." What that supposed to mean? Electromagnetic waves are not vibrations as we know them. The same way the quarks don't have flavors in the everyday sense.
Point 3 - "We vibrate, so we attract." This is just stupid. Where is the connection? It is not the everyday experience that two vibrating objects will necessary move closer to each other. And it is very easily proved with a couple of sex toys. There is some forced logic here. And to make stupid into ridiculous a "like attracts like" is thrown into the mix.
Any school kid knows from the course of physics that "the opposites attract".
There are two sections of physics when we talk about things attracting or repelling each other - (electro)magnetism and gravity. In gravity all things attract each other similar or not. In magnetism, as I've said "opposites attract".

All this makes the whole argument absolutely laughable. Rational people like me just can't stand such arguments. It makes any pro-LoA argument smell of snake oil.

And it shoul not be like this. There is no need to prove LoA. The person who wants to share the knowledge about the LoA just needs to give people some direct experience with LoA. Help them to make intentions that work! And when people will experience LoA first hand, they will be able to find the suitable metaphors (and names) for themselves.
Of course it is hard to do it in a book or in a video, but not impossible.
Why don't they?

[qed]

Originally Posted by Lil Chris

Perhaps, before you go you would explain to me what you think this system and structure is...? And how I might align myself with it...? Is it possible that I'm the one who generated the system in the first place...?

I really should just start a blog, post stuff there and provide links here to answer people's questions when the explaining gets long. I'll do that eventually...

Until then, I am done in these forums..

[Acting Like Godot]

I do get tired, you know, of explaining LOA again and again .... If only people would seriously experiment with it, they would quickly see for themselves. Me, I know - because on my personal blogs I've been keeping fairly detailed records of my manifestations, and the subsequent events in my life, for the past 1.5 years.

Here's one of my latest successful manifestations. On 2 November 2007, Friday, I wrote this on my blog:

"Time & Energy
I also manifested for two things this morning.

More time (to do all the things I want to), and more energy (I have been feeling a little tired lately) ....."

Five days later, see what happened. [B][I]Out of the blue, and with immediate effect, my employer reduced official working hours by five hours per week.

And the skeptics will call it coincidence, sheer luck etc etc .... as usual ... LOL, whatever. I must be an amazingly coincidental person - I always get all the coincidences I want.

It's big things, it's little things, it's medium-sized things. Whatever you think, becomes your reality. I offer you a range of different kinds of examples:

Me and my wife - we are two high-earning professionals, an investment banker and a lawyer - and now we don't even bother to own a car. Why? Because we are utterly confident in our ability to manifest taxis. It usually takes about 30 seconds to 1 minute for us to manifest one. This is what I wrote on my blog about my experiences in the month of March 2007 regarding catching taxis with LOA - click here.

How about medical matters? Since I was a kid, I've suffered from a chronic skin condition called hyperhidrosis. Stupid as it may sound, it was only in September 2007 that I thought of using LOA to cure it. This is what I wrote on 4 Sep:

"Skin Condition

I was reading Steve Pavlina's forum, and a guy by the name of Zukin has set out to discuss Abraham's 22 processes from "Ask and It is Given". One of these processes involves healing your body / improving your health.

I've decided to work seriously on curing my hyperhidrosis. I had surgery 10 years ago and I have no more hyperhidrosis on my right palm, which greatly improves my quality of life. My plantar hyperhidrosis has persisted all these years though, and it is quite severe.

It's not debilitating or life-wrecking or anything like that, just a great nuisance. Anyway I've decided to manifest it away.

Last night I did Process No. 21 (Reclaiming One's Natural State of Health) before falling asleep, and I did it in the morning. Hyperhidrosis was zero for practically the entire day."

I'll monitor my progress with this intention, taking today as Day 1. I am off to a very good start. I will repeat Process No. 21 tonight, before falling asleep.

Great success. This is what I wrote on Day 9 of this skin experiment:

"Today is Day 9 and my skin is perfectly dry again. This is amazing.

I guess people who don't know what hyperhidrosis is like won't realise how amazing this is. Suffice to say that when I was serving my military service many years ago, I was actually removed from a combat role. Because my hands sweated so much that it was considered unsafe for me to handle weapons. Hand grenades etc.

Hey, damn. Just as I started typing out the above paragraph, the hyperhidrosis kicked in. Almost instantly. My left hand is wet with sweat again. Just thinking about how bad it used to be, made it come back.

I'm going to stop typing for a minute now, and do Process 21.

[Wohoho! It worked! Took less than a minute. More like 10 seconds].

Think I am developing some kind of mental control over my skin."

What other examples? Okay, here's one about raising smart kids (I have two little children). In late December 2006, I used an Abraham Hicks method to manifest my kids to become smart. Just one month later, on 27 Jan 2007, I noted that my little girl seemed to be displaying phenomenally improved reading ability. Slightly more than one week later, on 8 Feb 2007, the school principal suddenly calls up and says that the teachers have observed that my daughter seems to have become so intelligent that they no longer want to keep her in the same class - they recommend placing her in a class for meant for older kids.

There are soooooo many more personal examples I could give - but well, some will believe, and some won't, and that's that. The Secret is a secret, because it will only really reveal itself to those who are ready.

I'm still learning every day .... Since I started practising the LOA two years ago, my salary has increased 2.5 times, and now I am in the 98.5 percentile of all tax-payers in my country. This LOA is really a very strange, amazing thing, I have a strong feeling I'll be learning more about it for the rest of my lifetime.

[Brigid]

Please don't ever get tired of being an example.
What you just shared, will be a pebble in a pond.
My daughter has a similar skin condition and this is great news!!

Apart from genuine cynicism, a lot of people have a wall of pain and anger around them from having tried so many 'methods' without success, that their belief organ is damaged.
Sometimes it takes a story as personal as yours, from a person like you to turn them to the light once again.

I'm really glad you took the time to share!!!

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Ilya

Why oh why someone has invented the metaphor of vibration to explain the phenomenon of LoA? And why does this meme is still going around?

It is just a broken and inaccurate metaphor.
Point 1 is ok. Yes the modern science shows that the universe consists of energy in different forms.
Point 2 - "Energy vibrates." What that supposed to mean? Electromagnetic waves are not vibrations as we know them. The same way the quarks don't have flavors in the everyday sense.
Point 3 - "We vibrate, so we attract." This is just stupid. Where is the connection? It is not the everyday experience that two vibrating objects will necessary move closer to each other. And it is very easily proved with a couple of sex toys. There is some forced logic here. And to make stupid into ridiculous a "like attracts like" is thrown into the mix.
Any school kid knows from the course of physics that "the opposites attract".

There are two sections of physics when we talk about things attracting or repelling each other - (electro)magnetism and gravity. In gravity all things attract each other similar or not. In magnetism, as I've said "opposites attract".

All this makes the whole argument absolutely laughable. Rational people like me just can't stand such arguments. It makes any pro-LoA argument smell of snake oil.

I've thought the idea that same or similar vibrations attract is valid because of resonance. The analogy is not to be compared to gravity or magnetism but to sound and light. With sound a string will pick up the vibration of a sound and vibrate in sympathetic resonance. With light, I guess, it's like lasers and the light being coherent.

Our bodies have lots of real electromagnetic vibrations across a large spectrum only which part of our sense see or feel. And our vibe does influence sympathetic resonate vibrations in others and in the rest of the spectrum that we don't sense but are part of. Also we can pick up resonances too.

Anyway, that's how I've rationalized the ideas.

[Ilya]

Great examples Acting Like Godot. This is so much more motivating then the pseudo-scientific mambo-jambo. It will never convince sceptics, but I don't think we should.

And I also love when these small things start happening. Being able to get public transportation whenever it is needed is a sure indication that I'm in the flow.

[Ilya]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

I've thought the idea that same or similar vibrations attract is valid because of resonance. The analogy is not to be compared to gravity or magnetism but to sound and light. With sound a string will pick up the vibration of a sound and vibrate in sympathetic resonance. With light, I guess, it's like lasers and the light being coherent.

I've heard this explanation as well. Still it is a broken metaphor. It does not really help you to intend something. You do it by following the visualisation or any other intention technique. Why not honestly say that we have no idea how IM works and we don't really care? It works and that's what we need. If skeptics want to understand the inner mechanics, they should bother the research that would convince them.

Anyway, that's how I've rationalized the ideas.

My point is that currntly LoA lies in the domain of irrational. It is its strength - to provide solutions that are not available to our rational mind. And to rationalize it is to defy the nature of LoA.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Ilya

I've heard this explanation as well. Still it is a broken metaphor.

What is broken about this metaphor?

It does not really help you to intend something. You do it by following the visualisation or any other intention technique. Why not honestly say that we have no idea how IM works and we don't really care? It works and that's what we need. If skeptics want to understand the inner mechanics, they should bother the research that would convince them.

A metaphor is not supposed to help you intend something - to be able to intend something you have to decide. I am not trying to explain exactly how IM works - just saying vibes tend to resonate and by extending that idea it's not as far fetched to imagine LoA is operating.

My point is that currntly LoA lies in the domain of irrational. It is its strength - to provide solutions that are not available to our rational mind. And to rationalize it is to defy the nature of LoA.

To rationalize LoA is against the nature of LoA? I don't understand why you say that? Are you saying LoA is irrational thinking?

To provide solutions that aren't of our rational mind... What's irrational about decidind and imagining and feeling good about your goals.

[Lil Chris]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

I do get tired, you know, of explaining LOA again and again ....

Sorry to put you out.... I didn't need to have it explained (I thought he was referring to something else)

[cylon]

Originally Posted by Max Power

Plus when you believe you are everything, nothing can hurt you and you can create everything and anything you desire, of course you're also 100% responsible for EVERYTHING in awareness. That's the stumbling block for most people, fear of responsibility.

Max

It is a stumbling block. I'm thinking you can't be comfortable with this stuff as long as you feel threatened by it at the same time. I think things and they happen and it still scares me--just realizing what's happening is enough to freak you out. I guess it's a learning process though. When you're new to doing something like this I think it's natural to wonder what kind of hornet's nest you may have stirred up.

Maybe the answer to that is to know there's nothing to be afraid of, if you created something you didn't like you can create something new that you do like. But you can't do it while holding onto limiting beliefs, which is what I'm learning.

Do you really WANT happiness? Many people are addicted to unhappiness. So the feeligns of happiness, may actually cause unhappiness in the long run.

It wasn't until just recently that I was able to look at how feeling sorry for myself in certain situations actually gave me an emotional payoff. That doesn't go with an abundant mindset.

[Brigid]

[/QUOTE]Maybe the answer to that is to know there's nothing to be afraid of, if you created something you didn't like you can create something new that you do like. But you can't do it while holding onto limiting beliefs, which is what I'm learning.

Do you really WANT happiness? Many people are addicted to unhappiness. So the feeligns of happiness, may actually cause unhappiness in the long run.

It wasn't until just recently that I was able to look at how feeling sorry for myself in certain situations actually gave me an emotional payoff. That doesn't go with an abundant mindset.[/QUOTE]

I think thats just the thing Cylon. A/ we don't know what we deep down really want B/We have lived a lot if not all of our lives in a trance state, making all our choices based on limiting beliefs we were never even aware of.
Addicted to unhappiness? Many of us are. But what person unexsposed to LOA or anything else, or rather what person who has never "questioned" themselves, would ever be able to see that in themselves.

There is some quote about fear. That we fear what we are actually capable of, more than anything else. And it would seem to be true. Before we actually begin to experiment and embrace the infinite possibiities witihin us as a good thing, it can be scary thing. I love how the 'seasoned" ones live a confident life so much in the 'now' with LOA, that it is as natural to them as breathing!!
My intention is to be a living example like that too.

I love this forum of collective consciousness! No lack of teachers and students here! lol

[cylon]

Originally Posted by Brigid

A/ we don't know what we deep down really want B/We have lived a lot if not all of our lives in a trance state, making all our choices based on limiting beliefs we were never even aware of. Addicted to unhappiness? Many of us are. But what person unexsposed to LOA or anything else, or rather what person who has never "questioned" themselves, would ever be able to see that in themselves.

I guess that's why I like it here, there's nothing but people questioning.

So far, I have noticed that when I allow myself to live in the MOMENT, the synkros increase, the manifestations increase, and I am actually at "peace", not afraid. The longer I am in that state, the more things "happen". But when I step back and question, (worry) I get caught up in thought again/anxiety and wonder if I'm "doing this right".

I think it's something to do with trying too hard to not try too hard.

[Brigid]

Originally Posted by cylon

I guess that's why I like it here, there's nothing but people questioning.

So far, I have noticed that when I allow myself to live in the MOMENT, the synkros increase, the manifestations increase, and I am actually at "peace", not afraid. The longer I am in that state, the more things "happen". But when I step back and question, (worry) I get caught up in thought again/anxiety and wonder if I'm "doing this right".

I think it's something to do with trying too hard to not try too hard.

Altho I am a babe in the woods,
I say keep letting it happen..in the moment you FEEL... cylon. keep letting it happen.
The only reality is yours.......
the only reality is peace...
No matter what the challenge, or the learning, the response can only be love and peace...
and so will we manifest,
anything, all things , at that vibration.....money, happiness, work, a mate...all at the vibrational
level, of our hearts desire.....

ok, I'm a die-hard, simplistic , romantic...but I still

BELIEVE!!

Have a blessed loving weekend!!

Brigid