manifestation energy: is too much detrimental?

[cdn2wheeler]

OK, I just HAD to share this.

Over the past couple of weeks there's been a fellow that I've been thinking about. We used to train together, but I moved and now we're 2000 miles apart and haven't really been in contact for over a year.

I've also been thinking about setting up my own blog or other similar type of website. Not for personal development work - there are others who are far better at that than I - but more for business/finances/household debt reduction because that's my background.

Today I get a call from my buddy, whom I'll call Ron - because that's his name - inviting me to take part in a collective blog. I can write on whatever I wish. Ron has already registered the domain and the webhosting has already been set up.

All I have to do is write. Which I was going to do anyway.

Now, here's the more peculiar part. I put very little energy into trying to manifest this. The ideas - that is, Ron contacting me and the weblog thing - were not connected in any way, and the ideas would just occasionally flit through my head from time to time.

Other attempts at manifestation, though, have not been too successful. (Some have... but not ones that I could draw a clear and definite line between what I was trying to manifest and the end result. Also, the things that were manifested were relatively mundane... a pizza lunch, for one. I'm still awaiting my $10,000 cheque...)

I didn't visualize Ron contacting me, I didn't attempt to "ask the universe" about a weblog... the ideas just would float around from time to time.

So maybe putting a lot of energy into manifesting really isn't the way to go. At least, in this case, almost no energy went into it at all.

[Rose of Cairo]

cdn2wheeler, there is something I've wanted to tell you for a long time... I must say, you have a s***ty nickname! I always want to call you cnd3w... aeh... cd2nw...

But apart from your s***ty nick you are totally right, I noticed that I manifest things much better when I don't put too much energy in it. I think one relevant point is that if it's very important for us, we put a lot of energy in it, but at the same time we are very attached to the outcome. And probably we have a lot of limiting thoughts or doubts about it too. That altogether blocks the manifestation.

You know, step 3, allow... law of detachment...

But actually you're right, it seems to be indeed like you say that not so much energy is needed in the first place. My best manifestations are those I intended in an alpha state for seven days in a row and then completely forgot about. Or things I had just one or a few little fugacious thoughts about. Manifesting en passant...

That's amazing, what such little thoughts can do. (negative ones too )

[cdn2wheeler]

Rose, you're free to call me whatever you wish.

Curious, though, about the Alpha state. Is that when you're eating Alpha-ghetti? Or is it something else? *urp*

[Lil Chris]

cdn,
Your definitely on to something, I've noticed this as well... It's like when I'm like "oh, that would be cool to have" and forget about it... The next thing I realize is BAM there it is...

[Zukin]

According to some LoA people, letting go is an important step. Here are some notes from Joe Vitale's book The Attractor Factor:

Step Five: Let Go
Choose what you want and let God or the Universe bring it to you. Let it orchestrate the events that will manifest the thing you desire. Give up needing to know how you will manifest anything. Knowing how can become a limitation. If you choose to manifest something but can't consciously see a way to create it, you may give up. The conscious mind can't see all of the possibilities. Surrender control and you free the universe to bring you whatever you want.

When you know what you want and are clear, you will be drawn to the thing you want and events will pull it to you.

It's important to end your request for anything you want with the magic words, "This or something better."

You can ask for whatever you want to do, be, or have, but also be willing for the universe to give you something better. End all your requests with the phrase, "This or something better" and you will be letting the universe know that "Thy will be done" is of highest importance. Why is this so? Because the universe can see the big picture while our ego can't. The universe itself will act to move you to what you want, and move what you want to you. All you have to do is let go, while acting on your inner prompts. Let go of fear, doubt, worry, disappointment, and any other negative emotion that might make you feel low.

[Angela]

cdn (thank goodness I can call you that! your name was a trial for me, too)

I am very much looking forward to seeing your writings on that blog! You are a fine and thoughtful writer. Are you ready to share it with us yet? Please point us to it when you are ready.

[Erki]

cdn, re your name, is there a chance that you live in Canada and ride a bike?

[Rose of Cairo]

Originally Posted by cdn2wheeler

Rose, you're free to call me whatever you wish.

that's a statement you might regret later... but it's too late now!

Originally Posted by cdn2wheeler

Curious, though, about the Alpha state. Is that when you're eating Alpha-ghetti? Or is it something else? *urp*

It's when the waves in your brain get a bit slower than normal. You can reach this state for example by relaxing your muscles and doing some simple breathing exercises, or alternatively a bit of meditation (and probably of yoga too, but I don't know about yoga). It's a state of very relaxed but high awareness. Feels good. (There are some binaural cds too that put you in this state, but I didn't try them.) (in this state you learn easily too)

Originally Posted by Lil Chris

cdn,
Your definitely on to something, I've noticed this as well... It's like when I'm like "oh, that would be cool to have" and forget about it... The next thing I realize is BAM there it is...

yes, exactly! "oh, that would be cool (but it's not important so I don't think about it anymore)"... I manifest a lot of little unimportant things like this. Like spring onions... Even things with very low probability. Should be able to do that with my important things too!

btw, I noticed that those "fugacious little thoughts" that manifest afterwards feel differently from normal thoughts. They are a bit "sharper". Or they go another way in my head. I don't know. But I'm not able to control that yet. Did you notice that too?

[quoteguy]

I needed to read this today. I have been putting to much stake in the outcome instead of letting the Universe do it's work. Thanks for the reminder y'all.

[Lil Chris]

Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo

btw, I noticed that those "fugacious little thoughts" that manifest afterwards feel differently from normal thoughts. They are a bit "sharper". Or they go another way in my head. I don't know. But I'm not able to control that yet. Did you notice that too?

I'm not exactly sure what you mean (could you explain)... I have noticed a distinct two (maybe three) kinds of thoughts. The first being my mental jabbering all day long (the self talk to keep me company, the thoughts of typing this out, etc...).

The second is a lot more subtle, like they come from somewhere else or I'm connecting with something (these are the ones that usually produce something or have importance of some kind). I usually notice these if I'm paying attention. The first kind will also produce manifestations but only like we discussed (by forgetting them, until I notice them show up, then remember that I had the thought a few days before, and think hey that's cool).

The third kind (I've only experienced once or twice) but this is like there is no other jabbering going on in my mind and I focus only on one thought (not repeating it, more like holding it, like "pausing" EVERYTHING ELSE and only focusing on the one thought). Like everything else stops, no other thoughts... It's hard to explain. I've had strange things happen, if you have happened to read my CD story (posted on here somewhere). But it's different because I'm not meditating or anything or trying to do it...

Although these things may have something to do with the various states of mind (alpha, beta, theta, and delta) I'm not sure...

[Lil Chris]

Originally Posted by quoteguy

I needed to read this today. I have been putting to much stake in the outcome instead of letting the Universe do it's work. Thanks for the reminder y'all.

Me too... But, it's all good...

[Lola]

Originally Posted by quoteguy

I needed to read this today. I have been putting to much stake in the outcome instead of letting the Universe do it's work. Thanks for the reminder y'all.

I need to read it EVERY day. Letting go is my biggest challenge. I'm REALLY good at looking at the big picture, seeing what needs to be done, getting it done. It's hard for me to NOT plan. To NOT think about how things could be accomplished.

But, case in point: when negotiating my divorce settlement, it was very important for me to get a fair settlement. The ex made 75% of our joint income. (Doubting my ability to make it on my own was one reason it took me so long to leave a really bad situation). I felt it was only fair for me to get a bigger chunk of the joint assets when we split as he would be ok financially regardless. His much greater income would allow replacement of anything he lost in the divorce fairly easily.

I maintained my stand for months. We got nowhere in negotiations. Finally, I wanted so badly for it to be over and wanted so much for him to be out of my life, I came to the place where I truly no longer cared if I had "a pot to piss in" (as grandpa used to say). I was willing to walk away with nothing. I completely let go of my perception of the best way for things to work out.

Within three weeks, the divorce was final. I got everything I had been asking for and more.

[Rose of Cairo]

Originally Posted by Lil Chris

I'm not exactly sure what you mean (could you explain)...

I wish I could!

I didn't mean the content of the thought, I meant the way it feels in my head when I think it. when you think something, somehow you feel it in your head on a physical level. Most of the time my thoughts are just in my head going nowhere and more in the forehead and they feel quite dull, edgeless. But those special thoughts are different, I feel them going through my brain, touching it in a sharp manner. They are located more in the middle of the head and go from right to left. Sounds weird, I cannot explain it. But they do feel different.

Maybe it's the second sort of thoughts you described...

[Rose of Cairo]

cool story Lola

Originally Posted by Lola

Letting go is my biggest challenge.

mine too!

But when I have such razor-thoughts, I let it completely go, as I know exactly that I will get what I was razor-thinking about

[jb33]

Hi! i was wondering when you are manifesting something is it more difficult to manifest something that has an emotional outcome??

i am actually trying to manifest a job for someone! they are overseas and trying to get a job to return here--they own a home here! they were really excited about the possibility of coming home in april 2008--the job fell through--but i know there is another job possibility!

the emotional part is i have feelings for this person and we could continue our relationship if they came home---if they stay longer--they don't want me to wait for them--so i want to manifest a job!

has anyone done that before and is it harder because i am emotionally attached to the outcome??

thanks for the input
jb33

[Rose of Cairo]

Originally Posted by jb33

Hi! i was wondering when you are manifesting something is it more difficult to manifest something that has an emotional outcome??

From my experience I would say, yes, absolutely. Check the Law of Detachment. Letting it go after having intended something is an important component of consciously using the LoA. That's difficult if you're emotionally very involved of course. When you're emotionally too attached to the outcome, you may get too obsessed about it, or have some fears or doubts about it, and that blocks the manifestation. Best is not thinking about it anymore after you intended it - in such a case like yours that's difficult, I know.

Additionally, I wouldn't focus on that special job for that special person, but rather on the kind of relationship you want to have - then let the universe handle all details (like with whom, when, and if with that person, how, and if because of a job, thanks to what job). You may read this article by Erin about that topic

[Max Power]

If we can manifest anything, then we must be manifesting everything and that means our entire existance and everything in it is a manifestation and it works effortlessly and flawlessly.

So why can't we manifest piles of money?? Because we're actually manifesting the opposite of those piles of money, same with love, health, everything. Creation and manifestation is a 24/7 thing, but we only choose to notice it when we specifically intend and the intention manifests or it doesn't.

Manifestation is always working, but we think it doesn't work when the output is the thing we thought we didn't want, it's not so much we wanted poverty or loneliness, but that was the dominant instruction to the creative source.

Max

[kulai]

Manifestations will come at their own perfect time. Remember that the universe is putting the pieces together based on what you sent out. So, it may not arrive today. But that doesn't mean it won't arrive at all.

The law of attraction is all about electro-magnetic energy. The law says that what you order, will be delivered. But how strong is your magnetic energy? Are you doing it right ?

Power-To-Live.com

[torilink]

Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo

From my experience I would say, yes, absolutely. Check the Law of Detachment. Letting it go after having intended something is an important component of consciously using the LoA. That's difficult if you're emotionally very involved of course. When you're emotionally too attached to the outcome, you may get too obsessed about it, or have some fears or doubts about it, and that blocks the manifestation. Best is not thinking about it anymore after you intended it - in such a case like yours that's difficult, I know.

Additionally, I wouldn't focus on that special job for that special person, but rather on the kind of relationship you want to have - then let the universe handle all details (like with whom, when, and if with that person, how, and if because of a job, thanks to what job). You may read this article by Erin about that topic

I think that it isn't that detachment is necessarily required, it is that those things we are emotionally attached to we have more deep seeded beliefs about. Everything is manifested immediately and without effort, it is allowing those manifestations into our awareness which takes time and effort.

Our underlying beliefs determine what we allow into our experience, and we can tell those by what causes us the most emotional comfort or discomfort. Pay close attention to those feelings regarding your desires, as they show you your beliefs which will either align (bringing the manifestation into awareness) or they don't align (blocking manifestation).

[cylon]

@torilink--I thought I could detach and just "forget" about what I want, but when it's a burning passion, something that I'm always thinking of and gets me excited, it's hard to NOT think about that. I guess I need to keep it in my mind but just feel good about it, which is another form of detachment I suppose.

[torilink]

Originally Posted by cylon

@torilink--I thought I could detach and just "forget" about what I want, but when it's a burning passion, something that I'm always thinking of and gets me excited, it's hard to NOT think about that. I guess I need to keep it in my mind but just feel good about it, which is another form of detachment I suppose.

yes you want to feel the rush of excitement that comes with expectation and knowing. and that is how it feels when we are aligned.

detachment is a good idea when what we feel is negative and off-kilter with what we desire.

[cdn2wheeler]

See, all this talk of "detachment" sounds very nice and Zen, but it's fundamentally opposed to many of the teachings of, say, Napoleon Hill. Hill writes that you have to have a "white hot desire" for what you wish to manifest. How can one be detached and have a white hot desire simultaneously?

[torilink]

Originally Posted by cdn2wheeler

See, all this talk of "detachment" sounds very nice and Zen, but it's fundamentally opposed to many of the teachings of, say, Napoleon Hill. Hill writes that you have to have a "white hot desire" for what you wish to manifest. How can one be detached and have a white hot desire simultaneously?

you detach from your negative emotions and limiting beliefs, not the desire.

I don't know much about Zen, but don't they try to detach from all emotion and desire? Obviously I don't prescribe to that, I think I'm here to experience various states of consciousness - and intend to fully! : )

[Dharma]

Originally Posted by cdn2wheeler

I didn't visualize Ron contacting me, I didn't attempt to "ask the universe" about a weblog... the ideas just would float around from time to time.

Originally Posted by cdn2wheeler

So maybe putting a lot of energy into manifesting really isn't the way to go. At least, in this case, almost no energy went into it at all.

Yay! So maybe -- thought has nothing to do with manifestation. They're thoughts, you have them, that's it. What brings the manifestation closer? Things like reception (that internal "yes" feeling), emotional opening, and space. And in this case you were choosing to experience some ease in your project too. Congrats!

I believe desire will get you the experience of desire. That "white hot desire" feeling Napoleon Hill spoke of is probably what I call "reception", that big "yes" feeling. It's something that is experienced on the emotional level, not the thinking level ("I desire this...").

"detachment" to me feels like "Be in the world, but not of it."
A quote by Chuang Tzu:
By a man without passions I mean one who does not permit good or evil to disturb his inward economy, but rather falls in with what happens and does not add to the sum of his morality.

So, the moment you start resisting what is, you're attached to it.

[Uplift]

Originally Posted by Max Power

If we can manifest anything, then we must be manifesting everything and that means our entire existance and everything in it is a manifestation and it works effortlessly and flawlessly.

So why can't we manifest piles of money?? Because we're actually manifesting the opposite of those piles of money, same with love, health, everything. Creation and manifestation is a 24/7 thing, but we only choose to notice it when we specifically intend and the intention manifests or it doesn't.

Manifestation is always working, but we think it doesn't work when the output is the thing we thought we didn't want, it's not so much we wanted poverty or loneliness, but that was the dominant instruction to the creative source.

Max

I agree. I think a lot of people don't realise how much fear they express and materialise, or manifest.

Richard Branson is a great example of fearlessness and focus. In his book I find it interesting that most of his friends and business aquaintances think he is aiming too high, attempting the impossible, or taking radical risks. Whereas it virtually doesn't occur to him, he's too focused and passionate about the dream.

[RT Wolf]

Read The Law of Attraction by the Hickses or The Law of Attraction by Michael Losier, those books have your answers, which are basically this:

Allowing (or Expecting) is a key step in manifestation. There are sometimes subconscious beliefs and doubts that occur that prevent you from being in a state of full Allowing. The Hicks' explore the idea that that better you feel, the more you are Allowing, so they encourage you to feel better.

It's all about allowing and resisting. The Sedona Method, for example, encourages you to let go of resistance AND the desire (which has a feeling of lack IN it). The feeling of pure desire is different.

So there's two parts: the wanting of something and the expecting or Allowing of it, and both these parts have to be balanced. You can have a weak wanting (IE, just thinking that would be cool or having just a thought about it) and a strong belief or just a large state of Allowing, and the thing would manifest.

Essentially, it sounds like you're facing the problem I am. I'm trying to control everything (that's the trap of the level of courage) and I'm trying too hard. If any of you have done sports, you might know of the concept of "trying too hard" and not making it every time. Once you relax and let go of your need to control (Sedona Method has been helpful to me for doing this in particular), its easier to manifest things. Essentially, let go and trust that the universe will create it. But also be ok that if it does not, and this whole IM business doesn't work (those doubts are very real, and I have a feeling that some forum members are manifestations of the collective doubts of those trying this system of belief out), then that's ok and you'll just go on to the next thing. Eventually if you make a pattern out of risking and trying new things, you'll hit on something that will indeed be very useful.

Basically, imagine that you're driving a car, and the car's your desire. The more you want it (the stronger the desire), the faster your car goes. Now imagine that there's a whole bunch of obstacles in front of you as you drive your car. Your speed is great enough that you can just barrel right through them, but it slows you down, too. Those obstacles are resistance, whether that be doubt, disbelief, limiting beliefs. However, if you removed these obstacles from your path (by Allowing) and reached a total state of Allowing, then you could get to your end point with a much lower speed just cause there's no obstacles.

Now here's the irony, by driving the car faster, you increase the number of obstacles, too, because that's the skill level with IM we're at. I think the analogy's done its work now. Basically, our feeling of "strong desire" basically means to become more attached to the subject, and the more attached we become the greater resistance we add.

My understanding is that what Max Power talks about choice being the manifester is true, but it presupposes that the person is in a full state of Allowing, at least in that moment.

We're also complicating the hell out of it, cause, personally, I love things to be more complicated. I've to learn to be ok with simplicity as well. Relax. Get playful. Life's a game. So what if I don't become a millionaire by 30? Just the thought of it or the imagining of it makes me feel more joyous. Focus and appreciate and relax. Stop trying so hard.

Whew, long post, but I hope this helps.

[Dharma]

Originally Posted by RT Wolf

We're also complicating the hell out of it, cause, personally, I love things to be more complicated.

So I'll add 2 cents. =]

Originally Posted by RT Wolf

My understanding is that what Max Power talks about choice being the manifester is true, but it presupposes that the person is in a full state of Allowing, at least in that moment.

I'd say that 'self' or consciousness is the manifester and choice is an energy of manifestation. You are always in a full state of allowing --> for both your choice and the denial of your choice. Both of those things exist simultaneously (they don't cancel each other out) and I believe our focus is what determines what manifests in our experience. Choice is what is, denial is what isn't. Humanity as a whole is focused on what isn't.

[jb33]

hey guys! thanks for the info! i definately was have an emotional attachment to the outcome! what i am focusing on is him coming home sooner than planned! i know he will be home eventually---i just want the job to come sooner! having said that! lately i have been really good i know the job is coming and i wanted to ask another question that is a little different subject---i asked for a sign the other night when my friend and i were out for a walk! a number sequence that i frequently see and i wanted the month he would be home added to it--and i wanted three in a row! well the first one i saw was a 1--the next two were 4's! because i have been manifesting for him to be home by april 2008 at the latest!! so i wasn't sure if that was an answer--but right at the moment i saw the third one--my friend said don't look up--and she was laughing---so of course i look up and there is a sign on this store that has HIS last name on it in bold letters----and the address is 731 which is his birthdate! now was that a sign or what??

do you feel you get signs when the manifesting is working? i am really new to this manifesting! i think i have manifested things in the past but i just didn't know i was doing it?

thanks for your thoughts!
jb33