Practical LOA by ALG - When Not To Ask for Miracles

[Acting Like Godot]

Some people believe that LOA is "magical". Others believe that it's just a form of positive thinking that helps you notice more opportunities, motivate yourself etc. This is a long-running difference in view, and my present post is not to rehash it.

After all, this is Practical LOA by ALG.

If you want to achieve a certain goal, and there is a well-known, clear-cut, commonsensical, effective and non-LOA way to do it, I would recommend that you use that way. Then simply use LOA as an aid & tool, to help you along the way.

For example, suppose you wish to lose weight. If you eat less and exercise more, you will lose weight. Plain & simple. So do it.

Then use LOA, IM, Abraham's Processes etc etc to help you along the way. For example, to help you stick to your diet; to find low-fat delicious meals; to motivate yourself to exercise; to find a form of exercise or new sport that you really enjoy etc etc.

Don't just sit around on the sofa and eat your usual potato chips and keep thinking "I am thin, I am thin, I am thin ....". It may work, but you are definitely stacking the odds against yourself.

Use LOA in the "magical" way, for intentions where the steps towards fulfilling your goal are beyond your control (in the non-LOA sense of the word "control") or not for you to take (eg they depend on someone else) or where you simply don't know what you shold do next.

[Rose of Cairo]

I don't agree with you ALG. Not about that losing weight thing. I wanted to lose weight, ate less and exercised more, and did not lose weight at all. Then I intended it and now I eat more and exercise less and lose weight

I ate very healthy and less than before, trained cardio and lifting weights three times a week, did everything my personal trainer was telling me... and I did not only gain weight because of gaining muscle mass, no, my fat ratio increased too. Then I canceled the gym, ate what I wanted and threw away the health and weight loss books. I sat down every evening, put myself in an alpha state, and visualized myself thin and light in all details, running up the stairs and dancing around as a slim person. First I couldn't imagine it. That's the point: I felt fat and if you feel fat, you attract more fat. You have to feel thin first, then you become thin. It took me ten days to be able to feel like a thin person and see myself as a thin person. Then I visualized it for seven days in a row and let it go. A few months nothing happened. But now I'm losing weight without doing anything

So I see it just the other way around. Eating less and exercising more may work, but you are definitely stacking the odds against yourself. The point is, as long as you feel fat, losing weight is very difficult. I don't say it's impossible, but it's permanent control, hard work and frustrating. You're permanently working against what you attract by feeling fat. In that time I was exercising at the gym and eating less, I did focus on my wish to lose weight, that means, on my fat, and so it was pretty useless. Of course, if you already feel thin, exercise more and eat less if you want, it will happen even faster. But first of all use the LoA and forget about your fat.

[Anagogy]

Cool story rose, and I agree with you. LoA is always in action. You are either consciously using it, or not consciously using it. What you focus on, you eventually manifest in your conscious awareness. Whether you are focussing on what you want, or the lack of what you want, you manifest it. We are not separate from the world out "there". It's been said time and time again, but it takes awhile to truly sink in. Fixing your conscious thoughts and intent on something reflexively engineers all the events and circumstances necessary for your intent to be fulfilled. Maybe the course of events for the actualization of your intent ends up involving action, and maybe not. But in those circumstances involving what some might consider to be massive action, it doesn't feel forced in the slightest. Rather, they are perceived as joyous natural responses to seemingly random fluctuations in events. No teeth-clenching will power is required.

For example, the person on the couch eating potato chips could begin entertaining thoughts of being thin. This is hard, because they are vibrationally far away from those thoughts at this point in their life. Slowly they gain the capacity to entertain vibrations (thoughts) that are a closer match to their desires. They start vividly imagining (attracting) and expecting (allowing) their new focus to manifest and they don't waver in their concentration on their goal. They begin to discover the fattening foods they couldn't stop eating before are less desirable, and furthermore have little effect on their weight even when they are consumed. Sedentary lifestyle is slowly replaced with a desire to move around more, and there is a feeling of increasing states of physical energy. And before you know it, the new reality has replaced the old one.

LoA is the natural way things change for the better, or for the worse. Will power is only ever needed if you are resisting the unfoldment of your desired reality by entertaining thoughts of powerlessness and lack.

[impaul99]

Not only that, but if in your subcoscious you're still thinking you're fat, you simply will not be able to exercise and eat less. You will invent and create events that will prevent you from doing that at all cost. You can't change your outer identity if you haven't changed your inner identity. It just doesn't work.

You will end up getting injured so you can't "work out" anymore. You will manifest your gym shutting down or catching on fire. Your personal trainer will move out of town. Your grocery store will stop selling your favorite healthy foods. You can't fight the awesome power of your imaginative subconscious mind with something as simple and logical as "Oh yeah, just go exercise and eat healthy."

People have been trying to do that forever and it doesn't work.

[Acting Like Godot]

Action is merely an example of thought in action. Behind every deliberate action is an intention, or set of intentions. As long as the deliberate action continues, the intention is being held.

Even as I type this post out on my keyboard and watch it appear on my screen, my actions are being animated by intention. The intention is that I will communicate XYZ to you. If I do not take this action, it is much more difficult to stay focused on the intention (try composing an entire post from 1st paragraph to final paragraph, just in your own head).

The taking of action therefore facilitates the holding of particular intentions related to such action. The difficulty for us, in LOA/IM, is to stay focused on intention. Action, however, can be a focal point for intentions.

So the question for Rose to consider here is whether she would have lost weight more effectively if:

(a) she had held positive thoughts about losing weight, and done nothing else; or

(b) she had held positive thoughts about losing weight, and carried those positive thoughts with her, into activities (such as exercise and diet) which she had believed would help her lose weight.

Remember - as you jog for 20 minutes with the intention of losing weight, you are holding the intention of losing weight, for 20 minutes.

The related point here is that in the creation of the better life that each of us aspires to do, we should recognise the usefulness of bringing our concentration into the present moment and the immediate reality. What is my intention here? Now? As I perform the following action?

Abraham-Hicks calls it "segment-intending".

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by impaul99

Not only that, but if in your subcoscious you're still thinking you're fat, you simply will not be able to exercise and eat less. You will invent and create events that will prevent you from doing that at all cost. You can't change your outer identity if you haven't changed your inner identity. It just doesn't work.

You will end up getting injured so you can't "work out" anymore. You will manifest your gym shutting down or catching on fire. Your personal trainer will move out of town. Your grocery store will stop selling your favorite healthy foods. You can't fight the awesome power of your imaginative subconscious mind with something as simple and logical as "Oh yeah, just go exercise and eat healthy."

People have been trying to do that forever and it doesn't work.

Fundamental beliefs overide everything, so every thought is an instruction, every thought is an intention, so every thought must be supportive of the desired result.

Action is overrated and is fear based........"I can't trust my thoughts to be powerful enough to change my perception of reality, so I'll work really hard and that will shift reality"

Never works, because the thoughts are the instructions.

A man sat on the couch eating chips intending to be rich, it didn't work so he went and got a job and become a slave to debt. He moved and the couch was sold at a garage sale. The new owner noticed a tear in the fabric and discovered, $1M inside and got to keep it, because an old man who once owner the couch stuffed it in there over a period of years and dies alone without any relatives.

Max

[cylon]

Originally Posted by Max Power

Action is overrated and is fear based........"I can't trust my thoughts to be powerful enough to change my perception of reality, so I'll work really hard and that will shift reality"

Funny how you just summed up my whole inner conflict in one simple sentence.

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by cylon

Funny how you just summed up my whole inner conflict in one simple sentence.

What can I say..........I'm a genius

Max

[Acting Like Godot]

Then you should not have typed that message. Typing is action, and according to you, merely shows that you are afraid.

"But, but ... I wasn't afraid of anything! When I was typing that reply, my intention was merely to _______."

Exactly. Whatever your intention was, the action was merely the intention at work.

Your action is certainly not the only way your thought changes reality; but your every action is always an example of your thought changing reality.

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Then you should not have typed that message. Typing is action, and according to you, merely shows that you are afraid..

What makes you think I used action to type my response? How do you know I didn't think the post into being? Can't prove otherwise, so you have to at least accept it is possible. Haven't you ever intended to write a post and someone beats you to at just before you were going to write it.

Your action is certainly not the only way your thought changes reality; but your every action is always an example of your thought changing reality.

Yes and no. Thought alone can change reality and thought with action can change reality, but thought and action can also have no effect. If you're lazy enough you would work on building your thought muscles instead of your physical muscles.

Since nothing can ever be accomplished without thought first, then thought is the creative source and often creates all by itself without any action.

Max

[torilink]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Action is merely an example of thought in action. Behind every deliberate action is an intention, or set of intentions. As long as the deliberate action continues, the intention is being held.

Even as I type this post out on my keyboard and watch it appear on my screen, my actions are being animated by intention. The intention is that I will communicate XYZ to you. If I do not take this action, it is much more difficult to stay focused on the intention (try composing an entire post from 1st paragraph to final paragraph, just in your own head).

The taking of action therefore facilitates the holding of particular intentions related to such action. The difficulty for us, in LOA/IM, is to stay focused on intention. Action, however, can be a focal point for intentions.

So the question for Rose to consider here is whether she would have lost weight more effectively if:

(a) she had held positive thoughts about losing weight, and done nothing else; or

(b) she had held positive thoughts about losing weight, and carried those positive thoughts with her, into activities (such as exercise and diet) which she had believed would help her lose weight.

Remember - as you jog for 20 minutes with the intention of losing weight, you are holding the intention of losing weight, for 20 minutes.

The related point here is that in the creation of the better life that each of us aspires to do, we should recognise the usefulness of bringing our concentration into the present moment and the immediate reality. What is my intention here? Now? As I perform the following action?

Abraham-Hicks calls it "segment-intending".

I think Rose's point here, which I totally agree with, is that when we set an intention to "Lose weight" what we are really focusing on is what we believe to be true (I am too fat, or I am not thin enough). You cannot hold positive thoughts about losing weight without thinking or believing you are overweight, and it is that belief which will overide the very best of your intentions.

As Rose said, the secret is to align yourself with the state of being thin. It is a state of being, just as being healthy is, and the focus and intention aligns with the belief that you exist within that state of being.

[Rose of Cairo]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

So the question for Rose to consider here is whether she would have lost weight more effectively if:

(a) she had held positive thoughts about losing weight, and done nothing else; or

(b) she had held positive thoughts about losing weight, and carried those positive thoughts with her, into activities (such as exercise and diet) which she had believed would help her lose weight.

Remember - as you jog for 20 minutes with the intention of losing weight, you are holding the intention of losing weight, for 20 minutes.

ALG, I think I understood your original post. You meant that if there is a known conventional way to do something, we should just use it. Like, if my teeth ache, it's easier to just go to a dentist rather than to sit on my sofa only intending the teeth to heal by themselves. That's what you meant, didn't you? (and we can use the LoA to attract a good dentist or whatever).

But look, sometimes you think you know how to do it, but actually what you believe to know is the wrong way to do it. And sometimes doing it the wrong way can even kill the manifestation of your intention. That's why I find it much better to let the universe show you the way. Like with this losing weight story. I'm sorry I write so much about it. It's an important topic for me, and I'd like to help all the overweight people reading this too. Many people who have never been overweight write about how to lose weight without having a clue, that's just not fair.

What I'm advocating is not intending and doing nothing else, like sitting on the sofa for months only intending like crazy. But the point is the actions must result out of the intention. You must be pulled naturally to these actions by some synchronicities. Without thinking of your intention in that moment. Additionally carrying some positive thoughts into activities I think will make me lose weight doesn't always work. Because it's me thinking they will make me lose weight, but I'm not as smart as the universe, and those things maybe don't work for me. But the universe knows how to do it much better than I do.

Imagine I intend to lose weight and have very positive thoughts about it and carry them into activities I think will make me lose weight. I'll try the conventional way, like eating healthy stuff in 5-6 meals a day, drinking a lot of water, doing cardio training and lifting weights and so on. Have you ever been overweight, ALG? When you're overweight, jogging for 20 minutes is a torture. Every step will painfully remind you how much overweight you are. So you will never ever hold a positive intention all this time! You'll be just forced to think about how heavy you are, and that your articulations already are hurting after three minutes, and that you're sweating so much, that you're ashamed because some people look at you, that you want to lose that damn fat at last, and that you cannot breathe anymore... It's just not true that jogging for 20 minutes with the intention of losing weight = holding the intention of losing weight for 20 minutes. In 20 minutes jogging you'll have 20 000 negative thoughts about you being overweight and you'll focus a lot on your fat. Maybe some people succeed at maintaining a positive state of mind in such a situation, well I admire them!!! (I don't mean thin people or people who want to lose little 5kg, I mean really overweight people.)

My point is, it's not always easy or even possible to carry positive thoughts into some action I think will help me to reach my goals. Doing what I think is good can in some cases create so many negative thoughts that it will kill my intention, even if initially I was carrying positive thoughts with me. It is much, much easier to let my intention carry me into some action the universe knows will help me to reach my goal, without me being aware of them helping me to reach my goal. Maybe that's things I would never have thought about.

For example, after having intended to lose weight, I noticed that every time I ate, I wasn't hungry anymore after five bites. But half an hour later, I was hungry again. Damnit, I thought, how can this be possible! Then accidentally I read on the net about Brendan Brazier, a vegan professional triathlete, saying he grazes instead of having meals. I had never heard of grazing before that, and decided out of some intuition to give it a try. And that was great for me! My digestion went much better and I'm sure it helps me losing weight now. But please note that I did not think of losing weight at that time. It was just an alternative eating habit I tried, to stop being hungry. I did not think it would help me lose weight.

Later, I began moving more. But again, not to lose weight! When I saw a bus or an elevator, I just had some repulsive feelings about being caged in such a metallic machine, and thought "uuugh, actually I feel like walking today!". So I began with walking, cycling, going up the stairs... As I wasn't torturing myself with weight loss measures anymore, I felt much happier too, free, and began dancing around a lot with no reason. If you count everything together, the cycling, walking, going the stairs, bouncing aroung, wildly dancing in the kitchen... I guess I move a lot, and this helps to lose weight. But I never ever think of losing weight doing it! It's not at all like exercising at the gym because you want to lose weight. It's just being happy.

Other synchronicity, out of some intuition again, I began buying some books about women, their relationship with their mother, mother-daughter rivality, sexual identity of women, gender roles in our society, sexual abuse, how men are perceived as dangerous, how society is pressuring women into being pretty, such stuff. I realized that I had a lot of problems with those topics and decided to address those issues with EFT. Later, I realized that exactly those problems were an important reason why I became (and stayed) overweight. Addressing those issues was an important condition to be able to lose weight, I know that now. But at that moment, I didn't know it.

You see: I wrote "a few months nothing happened". Yes, with my weight nothing happened. But in my life a lot of changes happened and my actions changed too. It was a big alignement, that was absolute necessary first. But it happened on some natural, subconscious, intuitive way. Not because I made a plan or decided to do it. Why should I make a plan to become thin, if I am already thin?? (In my mind - I had visualized myself thin, so I already was thin) It just happened to me. That's why for me it feels like "I do nothing". It's really totally effortless! I am thin! The physical reality is a detail, it will align itself with my reality on its own, it just needs a bit of time.

If I had done what I thought would help me losing weight, I would have exercised more and eaten less, and this would have created negative thoughts all the time. Again, it's extremely difficult to keep a positive mindset if something you do daily like eating or exercising always reminds you of your problem. How can I truly believe I am thin if I suffer while exercising like an obese person and have to take care of what I eat all the time?? Do thin persons really count every piece of chocolate they eat?? Come on...! And if I had done what I think would help me to lose weight, I would never have grazed, or used EFT to address some obscure psychological issues, or moved just because of being happy. But maybe grazing, EFT and freely moving around was exactly what my body needed first in order to be able to lose weight. The universe knew it, I didn't.

That's why I'm saying, don't decide what you think you should do and additionally carry positive thoughts into it. No, just intend it, visualize it, feel it, and then trust that the path to your goal will be shown to you.

The path will be shown to you!

I'm sorry this post is very long and quite repetitive and unclear. I'm tired... I hope you understand anyway.

edit: torilink, impaul99, Anagogy, yes!!! I agree with you so much. You say it much better than I do. Thank you!

[Lil Chris]

Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo

Don't decide what you think you should do and additionally carry positive thoughts into it.

No, just intend it, visualize it, feel it, and then trust that the path to your goal will be shown to you.

The path will be shown to you!

These words are so, so true. (I needed to remember them)
Many thanks Rose...

[cdn2wheeler]

Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo

Doing what I think is good can in some cases create so many negative thoughts that it will kill my intention, even if initially I was carrying positive thoughts with me. It is much, much easier to let my intention carry me into some action the universe knows will help me to reach my goal, without me being aware of them helping me to reach my goal. Maybe that's things I would never have thought about...

Rose, there's no way you can know how appropriate this is to me, as I sit here, right this very moment.

Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo

That's why I'm saying, don't decide what you think you should do and additionally carry positive thoughts into it. No, just intend it, visualize it, feel it, and then trust that the path to your goal will be shown to you.

The path will be shown to you!

Criminey, I hope you're right..!

[impaul99]

ALG, I'm not saying that taking action isn't going to manifest the thing you desire by taking that action.

What I'm saying is that you WON'T take the action. Like LITERALLY something will PHYSICALLY happen to force you NOT TO take that action. If you don't really want to lose weight in your mind/thoughts yet, and on a subconscious level you really want to still remain fat, for whatever reason you will manifest stuff like:
- Emergencies that throw you off your workout schedule
- Your treadmill will break down
- A relative will arrive uninvited right when you were about to go for a jog
- Your car will break down on the way to the gym
- The gym will close down
- etc.

All kinds of crazy stuff will happen that will give you the excuse not to exercise. You simply can't skip from INTENTION to ACTION without first aligning your THOUGHTS and BELIEFS and SUBCONSCIOUS BELIEFS first. It might last a few days or even a few weeks because we have something called Willpower, but it will never last long term.

If you have a person that smokes and he has a huge fear of being old because they saw their grandma suffer in her 90's for years and years before she passed, and they are subconsciously using smoking to "kill themselves" before they reach their 90's, do you think the action of "I'LL JUST QUIT SMOKING" will do it for them? I don't thinks so. THey need to look into their minds and re-condition themselves towards health and living a long life without suffering, not try to force themselves to stop the physical action of putting a cigarette in their mouth.

Subconscious mind is the domain of the imagination. Conscious willpower is the domain of logic. It has been proven over and over again that imagination KILLS logic and willpower every single time.

Align your THOUGHTS with your INTENTIONS.
Align your SUBCONSCIOUS IMAGINATION with your THOUGHTS.
Align your ACTIONS with your SUBCONSCIOUS IMAGINATION.

That is the path. You can't skip middle and just WORK HARD. Been there, done that, don't work.

At least for me, anyways.

[RT Wolf]

Honestly, if LoA skill was divided into levels, I think ALG is talking about Level 1-2. Rose and Paul seem to be talking at level, say, 5.

ALG's methods here are a great way to build confidence and skill, but it seems that ultimately, you'll reach the level Rose and Paul are talking about, which is inspired, aligned action without the need to use willpower or constant conscious policing.

[Zukin]

Originally Posted by RT Wolf

Honestly, if LoA skill was divided into levels, I think ALG is talking about Level 1-2. Rose and Paul seem to be talking at level, say, 5.

It's interesting that you say that, since I always thought ALG had achieved the most results of anyone who's posted on the Intention-Manifestation board (at least in terms of attracting money).

[Rose of Cairo]

Thanks RTWolf I consider ALG as being much more advanced than I am in LoA things. But actually we're saying almost the same. I'm not against taking action, I'm just against intellectually deciding myself which action I should take. I'll try to put it in a nutshell:

ALG says, if there is a well known conventional way, use it, and use the LoA as aid and tool. Which means practically: do what you think is right while holding positive intentions.

I say, even if there is a well known conventional way, always use the LoA first of all. Which means: intend and wait for the universe to show you the way that is best for you.

If the best way for you is the well known conventional way, there is no difference anyway. That's not always the case (like for me to lose weight), (edit: and sometimes the well known conventional way can kill the intention IMO), but we don't know it, that's why I find it better to let the universe decide.

The reason why I never use willpower is that it just doesn't work for me.

[Zukin]

Originally Posted by Zukin

It's interesting that you say that, since I always thought ALG had achieved the most results of anyone who's posted on the Intention-Manifestation board (at least in terms of attracting money).

Also, I didn't mean to belittle the achievements of anyone else here who's been working with the LoA. I just meant that ALG has provided the most evidence for the "thoughts affecting reality" concept. Now I see that Rose has also accomplished a lot of great stuff in terms of losing weight.

But some people that post on this and other LoA boards are "all hat and no cattle" as Texans say, with lots of theories but little evidence that their LoA method works.

I've experienced some interesting synchronicities, but I keep testing and looking for insights from people who have achieved things through superconscious means alone (e.g. not just by implanting ideas into their subconscious or taking direct action).

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Zukin

I keep testing and looking for insights from people who have achieved things through superconscious means alone (e.g. not just by implanting ideas into their subconscious or taking direct action).

Zukin, I've told you my story, haven't I? I invented the possibility for myself of love and abundance being present in my relationship with my boss. So that I'd be able to recognize whether I acheived that or not, I wrote down my specific measurable goals which were that by a certain date, I would:

a) hear my boss tell me that we work extraordinarily well together (or something along those lines) and
b) I would receive a 10% raise.

So, well before my "deadline", my boss called me into his office and said, "Angela, we are working extraordinarily well together! How much of a raise would you like?" I ran back to my office, scratched out "10%" and wrote in "20%", ran back to his office, and said, "I would like a 20% raise!" And he gave me a 20% raise.

By the way, I love that saying, "all hat and no cattle."

[Zukin]

That's a great story, Angela!

[Rose of Cairo]

Originally Posted by Zukin

I keep testing and looking for insights from people who have achieved things through superconscious means alone (e.g. not just by implanting ideas into their subconscious or taking direct action).

What do you mean with "achieve" exactly and what do you mean with "superconscious means alone"? with "just by implanting ideas into their subconscious" do you mean additionally to taking action? If not, what is the difference between programming the subconscious and superconscious means?

[torilink]

Originally Posted by Zukin

Also, I didn't mean to belittle the achievements of anyone else here who's been working with the LoA. I just meant that ALG has provided the most evidence for the "thoughts affecting reality" concept. Now I see that Rose has also accomplished a lot of great stuff in terms of losing weight.

But some people that post on this and other LoA boards are "all hat and no cattle" as Texans say, with lots of theories but little evidence that their LoA method works.

I've experienced some interesting synchronicities, but I keep testing and looking for insights from people who have achieved things through superconscious means alone (e.g. not just by implanting ideas into their subconscious or taking direct action).

Just because some members have not posted a laundry list of what they've created doesn't mean they haven't created amazing things for themselves.

Honestly, we created every single moment of our lives, each experience, each success, and yes each failure also - some have manifested larger successes or larger failures than others, but we all have manifested millions upon millions of things.

[Zukin]

Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo

What do you mean with "achieve" exactly and what do you mean with "superconscious means alone"? with "just by implanting ideas into their subconscious" do you mean additionally to taking action? If not, what is the difference between programming the subconscious and superconscious means?

Actually, now that I think about it, there may not be a difference. Maybe by planting an idea into your subconscious, it gets sent into the universe/infinite mind like in this diagram:

[IMG]http://www.*******.org/library/synchronicity.gif[/IMG]

I don't have any proof, but it sounds good.

EDIT: for some reason, the diagram isn't showing up. It's the first picture in this Google Image search:
synchronicity diagram - Google Image Search

[Rose of Cairo]

uuuh... I have no clue if that's subconscious or superconscious, but I intended a new computer and achieved to get one without taking any action (not even buying it)

[RT Wolf]

Originally Posted by Zukin

It's interesting that you say that, since I always thought ALG had achieved the most results of anyone who's posted on the Intention-Manifestation board (at least in terms of attracting money).

Oh, I don't mean that ALG is AT level 1 or 2, I mean that he's talking about level 1-2, I'd say he's at a 5.

When I read his original post, it sounds like he is saying that those people who are skeptical or who are still trying to bridge to a belief in the LoA, can use it in specific circumstances in which direct action wouldn't work, thus proving that the LoA is what was used and is the principle that worked.

Rose is right, too, that from intention flows all else, and that inspired action, and even knowing what action to take, should be left upto the Universe to show you. For example, I think that to make lots of money, I have to take actions x, y and z while if I really let go and trust the universe, I would learn that I really need to take actions w, q and s, except I'd jsut take those actions without really thinking about them. Things would just fall into place. That's a place of full allowing (to use Hicks language) and I think ALG is talking about the process ot bridging to full allowing.

ALG seems to be writing out techniques (by calling them "practical") that can help people bridge to a state of full allowing, where, like I said, everything just works.

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by RT Wolf

ALG seems to be writing out techniques (by calling them "practical") that can help people bridge to a state of full allowing, where, like I said, everything just works.

Who's to say what is practical? ALG finds his approach practical, I may find it just over complicates everything.

The easiest way is the way that's easiest for you.

Presenting ideas is great, claiming them as the most helpful is guruship in the making. I present loads of posts and ideas, but they only really work for me and some don't work at all, I'm the anit-guru I like the sound of my own voice, but admit I know nothing.

People present stuff, but it could all be wrong.

Max

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Max Power

Presenting ideas is great, claiming them as the most helpful is guruship in the making. I present loads of posts and ideas, but they only really work for me and some don't work at all, I'm the anit-guru I like the sound of my own voice, but admit I know nothing.

That's funny, Max, because even in a post asserting that you know nothing, you are simultaneously proclaiming your way to be the best way! and telling (warring with) everybody else not to do that!

You crack me up, Max.

[impaul99]

I think the difference between what is being said here for me is that people think that TAKE ACTION is a sure-fire way to get results, even though it might be harder than using LOA to align your thoughts etc.

ie. They're saying that while we work on improving our belief in LOA to the point where it is easier to get results, lets take action for now even though it might be more effortless to use LoA later on.

What I'm saying is that EVEN IF YOU TAKE ACTION you will still not get the results you want if your thoughts are not aligned.

Now, if your throughts align themselves WHILE you're taking action, then that's a different story, but if in your mind you're continuously still thinking "I AM FAT", you will never wake up skinny. You can try to take ACTION but you'll stop yourself somehow before you reach the results you want.

I think what Action *IS* good at doing is getting you to the next wall of fear. Then you gotta get it "fixed" by getting your thoughts in alignment. If you don't overcome that, you will not be able to continue taking action.

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Angela

That's funny, Max, because even in a post asserting that you know nothing, you are simultaneously proclaiming your way to be the best way! and telling (warring with) everybody else not to do that!

You crack me up, Max.

That's good, because I would hate to have you accidently consider that I know the truth about anything even when I know I do Just imagine how boring this place would be without ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I proudly admit, I'm an egotistic maniac, for some reason people think God would be some cool level headed all knowing wonderment.......why can't God be a drunk, locked down in a lunatic asylum

Works for ME!

Originally Posted by impaul99

What I'm saying is that EVEN IF YOU TAKE ACTION you will still not get the results you want if your thoughts are not aligned.

And that is the whole point.........everything starts as thought. People who don't trust the power of creative thought rely on action to carry them through and that is the road to struggle and challenge. Also, action is often confused with work, there's lots of action in creation, just look at nature, but it's hardly work.

Max