Intuition or negative thought

[dancer]

Where does intuition fall into LOA? I've always trusted my intuition, but today I had a negative feeling about something I've been intending for sometime, and I wondered is this intuition or am I sabotaging my intention?

[Rose of Cairo]

That's funny dancer, right now I wanted to post exactly the same question even with exactly the same title.

I don't know what to do now, because I don't want to highjack your thread, but it's really the same topic, so I post here, ok?

I volunteer at the animal shelter. I saw a kitten and immediately felt "he's ill to death, I have to save him or he will die". But the vet said he's perfectly healthy, and I thought "gee! stop thinking such a crap! focus on something positive". However I had a few more thoughts like "he needs your help", "he will die" or "take him home". I discarded them and focused on something positive. As I left, I had the idea that he will be dead when I come back, and again I thought "why are you so negative today? stop it!". I didn't think about it any more. And the next morning he was dead.

So I have the same questions as Dancer. Did I attract his death only with those few thoughts?? Or was it my intuition? And, if I had listened to those negative thoughts, maybe I would have saved him. So should we discard negative thoughts or listen to them?

How can I know if it's intuition, or if it's negative thinking??

and more theoretically, what is intuition in a LoA context??

btw, welcome here Dancer What do you dance?

[Dan.Linehan]

People seem too worried about negative thoughts, IMO.

There is a world of difference between negative thoughts and self-sabotaging thoughts.

Avoid the latter, not the former.

[Lil Chris]

What I'm thinking is that... Instead of trying to suppress those thoughts or bury them, ask yourself what do I need to do...? So, an example might be

I saw a kitten and immediately felt "he's ill to death, I have to save him or he will die".

Then mentally say to yourself, "o.k. I heard that thought / feeling, what do I need to do...?" and see what kind of responses you get (either mentally or externally)

make sense...?

[dancer]

Thank you Rose of Cairo for articulating my question so much better than what I did. I'm so glad you added your post to my thread as your questions were so in tune with mine. It would be much easier if our intuition introduced itself with, "This is your intuition speaking... ". Perhaps then we could let our negative thoughts go and listen to our intuition.

btw. I do like to dance, but my username is more symbolic. I've spent a lot of time in the countryside this autumn and observed the dance of nature eg. wind dancing on a lake and leaves dancing in the trees, etc.

Originally Posted by Lil Chris

What I'm thinking is that... Instead of trying to suppress those thoughts or bury them, ask yourself what do I need to do...? So, an example might be



Then mentally say to yourself, "o.k. I heard that thought / feeling, what do I need to do...?" and see what kind of responses you get (either mentally or externally)

make sense...?

Thank you Lil Chris, I think you make a good point here. I tried something similar in the past and it gave me peace of mind.

[ethereal]

In my experience, the intuition is always very subtle and calm, even when it deals with negativity. The ego-based negative thoughts always have this "noisy" negative emotional charge attached to it like fear or anger or judgment, but intuition-based negative thoughts are quiet and neutral, just presenting the subtler truths of reality.

[LoveFreedom]

This is just another fantasic synchronicity - I spend some time last night thinking about this issue and woke up to it being already so nicely 'solved' (it's only 8am in Australia).

Thank you everyone!!! That makes a lot of sense what you said ethereal. thanks.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo

So I have the same questions as Dancer. Did I attract his death only with those few thoughts?? Or was it my intuition? And, if I had listened to those negative thoughts, maybe I would have saved him. So should we discard negative thoughts or listen to them?

I'll throw a bending spoon into the mix, just to challenge your thinking a bit.

If you had the thought of this kitty dying, and it died, there are 3 possibilities:
(1) Total co-incidence, nothing you could do about it. Forget about it, let it go, not important.

(2) Some form of psychic energy allowed your "soul" to connect to this kitty's "soul" and it was telling you that it was sick even though the vet said it's fine. If you believe this, you have to also believe that (a) souls exist, (b) they exist outside the physical body and can communicate, (c) even if the kitty dies, his soul lives on.

If you believe this, then don't worry about it also. The kitty's soul tried to speak to you, but you weren't ready to hear it yet, but it's ok. The kitty's soul is still alive, it's still out there and it forgives you. In fact, the kitty's soul lives on inside you and your soul and maybe the reason it was telling you this was simply to help you open up to more possibilities in life.

The kitty's soul is very much alive. His physical body may not be, but don't worry too much about it. It's still "out there" and it is glad to have known you.

(3) You created this whole thing with your mind. Nothing out there exists. THe world is a pure Subjective Reality experience where you create everything out there. Everything phases in and out of existance every millisecond just depending on what you think about/focus on.

If you believe this, you should not feel bad about the kitty you didn't save any more than the people you phased out of existance from your grade 1 classroom that you don't think about anymore. What's that? You haven't thought about your grade 3 teacher for the last 10 years? THat would mean you phased her out of existance as well. But wait, she never existed anyways, only your projection of her existed. If so, then nobody out there exists so don't worry about anyone, or anything dying, because they aren't real. You are the only real thing out there.



To me, it kinda sounds like you're meshing together all 3 of these possibilities into one, perhaps even more, and ending up with a guilty feeling because you're kind of looking at it like "I created this kitty dying and I feel guilty because what if there is no afterlife?" Well...if you believe that you can CREATE things like kitty's dying, then you have to accept that there is a LOT MORE you're responsible than just this.

Hope I didn't confuse you even more.

Simplified answer to your question: First figure out what model of reality you believe in, and then decide how negative thoughts relate to it. Otherwise, you'll drive yourself nuts.

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo

That's funny dancer, right now I wanted to post exactly the same question even with exactly the same title.

I don't know what to do now, because I don't want to highjack your thread, but it's really the same topic, so I post here, ok?

I volunteer at the animal shelter. I saw a kitten and immediately felt "he's ill to death, I have to save him or he will die". But the vet said he's perfectly healthy, and I thought "gee! stop thinking such a crap! focus on something positive". However I had a few more thoughts like "he needs your help", "he will die" or "take him home". I discarded them and focused on something positive. As I left, I had the idea that he will be dead when I come back, and again I thought "why are you so negative today? stop it!". I didn't think about it any more. And the next morning he was dead.

So I have the same questions as Dancer. Did I attract his death only with those few thoughts?? Or was it my intuition? And, if I had listened to those negative thoughts, maybe I would have saved him. So should we discard negative thoughts or listen to them?

How can I know if it's intuition, or if it's negative thinking??

and more theoretically, what is intuition in a LoA context??

btw, welcome here Dancer What do you dance?

How can one simple thought manifest, but multiple thoughts on the same intention not mainfest the intention?

There's a cool line in the Matrix Movie.......We can never see past the choices we don't understand.

I believe this means that we know exactly what we're doing and how to do it, but there is no fun in being god. Being god would get very boring very fast, so we create this vast complex system of reality and weaken the connection to our god mode to keep it interesting. The whole journey is really only one of returning back to full god mode, which is 100% perfection, so we self limit our power and understanding of that power.

We can and do strengthen the connection, but as long as we remain in avatar mode, it's always a game that includes randomness and imperfect creation.

The challenge is really to be closest to what we relly are without tipping the scales and returing back to perfection.

Max

[Rose of Cairo]

Thanks all for the replies. I've been thinking about all that all this time...

All of you are right and said very interesting things

Ethereal, that's true, Erin says this too, that intuition is calm and succint and not argumentative. It's sometimes very difficult to recognize it though! I had a big fear for this kitten for example.

You're right impaul99, whether I am in a SR context or believe in souls and psychic energy, the kitty is safe now and I don't need to be sad. I do believe in such a thing indeed, for I had an out-of-body-experience once that showed me that I am not only my body. And I'm quite good at feeling (sensing?) the current feelings, health status, energy level and problems of other people. So it wouldn't be very surprising that I felt he was sick. Next time I'll listen to my feeling, not to the vet.

So what you said makes a lot of sense, Lil chris. I guess "it will not work anyway" is some kind of sabotaging thought. But "he's ill, I have to save him" is something I can DO. From now I'll always check first if I can do something. If I can, I'll listen to this voice and do it no matter what.

Dancer, what about you? Any reactions?

I can't help, I'm still crying a lot every time I think about it. I loved this sweet little thing very much, especiall him

[dancer]

Rose, I understand your sadness as in your situation I would also feel in some way responsible. But, why are you responsible for the kitten's death? Is it possible it would have been the same outcome even if the vet had done something? Is it possible that you connected with kitten and that was enough for the kitten? Perhaps, on some level you helped the kitten.

I had problems getting my head around impaul99's post, but hey on some level I'm a newbie and I'll be ready to take it in another time later.

I have made an intention to recognise my intuition.

I also realised that I needed to fine tune my intentions and fine tune my receiving, allowing, of them. I was putting emphasis on one specific outcome and came to the realisation that the outcome could be one of many. This has taken off the pressure of failing. The thanks here must go to impaul99, as his post lead me to his articles on his website.

Thank you, everyone for your comments.

[cylon]

A few days ago my co-worker came in all shooken up, she had accidentally cut off another woman on the freeway, and this lady followed her off the freeway, and on the surface streets all the way to work, my co-worker trying to lose her, eventually parking across the street. So we all went outside and walked her to her car, hoping to not see this crazy lady. Then the rest of the day was talking about road rage and everyone's experiences with crazy drivers.

Last night I told my buddy about this, and then WE started talking about what you do when someone disrespects you. I told him of a time when I had accidentally cut a chick off, and she followed me down the street for a few blocks, blaring her horn at me the entire time. He was like "you should have gotten out of your car and started screaming at her" which is what he would do. That's not really my style.

So this morning I am thinking of a time when my buddy got into some dumb stuff with someone on the road, and my friend actually got out of the car and threatened the other guy, who called the police and said my friend had a gun.... so I was thinking this today how in the moment of anger we can do some really stupid, negative stuff.

A few minutes ago my same friend called me and told me that his cousin (who I know a little) was in a bar-fight last night, some guy beat him over the head with a pool-cue and he had to go to the emergency room (he's going to be fine.)

So a few days of thinking about rage, talking about rage, and now this. So I have to assume I created this guy I know getting beat with a pool cue? This I don't like. It almost makes me scared to think!

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by cylon

So I have to assume I created this guy I know getting beat with a pool cue? This I don't like. It almost makes me scared to think!

You are getting caught up in this because you aren't sure which way of thinking you are choosing to believe yet.

If you believe that you are a single consciousness creating everything in this world from the stars to the moon, to the guy getting beat up, then you shouldn't feel bad because the guy is just like a dream character only created by you to teach you about you.

If you believe that this guy exists out there, has his own consciousness, lives his own life, has his own family, friends etc. then you didn't "create" him getting beat up. If anything, HE created the situation for himself for a specific reason so that HE can learn about HIMSELF.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by dancer

The thanks here must go to impaul99, as his post lead me to his articles on his website.

I am working with a coach/mentor to help me be able to create a full time income stream doing what I love which is helping people by writing articles and such. To do this, however, we're exploring the need for me to specialize and focus on one single topic of interest instead of "general personal development". If I do this, it would mean I wouldn't write any more general articles, but simply focus on one topic.

I agree with him, but am a bit saddened that it's so hard to make a living offering help in all areas. The only person I've seen who has been able to do it successfully is Steve.

[cylon]

Yeah, if it's like we're all not connected, then him getting attacked would have nothing to do with me, so I would just feel bad for me. If we are connected but still separate at the same time, then him getting attacked would make me feel bad because I would think I harmed another person without intending to.
And if it's all me, then I did create it, and wouldn't have to feel bad because nothings real anyway and it's just me.

Thing is I do feel bad for the other guy, how can you not feel compassion for "others"? Unless feeling compassion for another truly is feeling it for myself.

Seems like a paradox.

I've been on this road with you guys for awhile and as soon as my friend called me all I can think of is how I had been focusing and talking about rage and violence.... not even obsessing over it, it was just a topic that had been coming up, but the timing was way too close.

I get the dream thing, and when everything is cool I like that but when bad stuff happens, I don't want to feel it's ME. I don't wish to harm others. "Others".

[cylon]

And semi-off topic not really, he was saying "yeah he just needs to get his act together, get a REAL job and a focus, that way he wouldn't be at a crappy bar at 2am and inviting this stuff. And in reference to this same guy, my buddy reminded me that he had quit a "good job", and that you CAN'T have a job you love, you just have to go to work and pay the bills and suffer and be a man. Just stood in my mind for awhile...l took it as a reflection of my fear of just going with what I love. So I'm thinking of THIS...and I see Steve has this new audio on just doing what you love...

When you get in tune it's like everything happens so much quicker, you notice all the synchronicities. They don't scare me anymore, but they happen so fast it kind of makes my head spin at the same time.

Our upbringing did not prepare us to deal with the complete flipping upside down of reality and the way we were TOLD the world worked. It's like opposite day.

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by impaul99

I am working with a coach/mentor to help me be able to create a full time income stream doing what I love which is helping people by writing articles and such. To do this, however, we're exploring the need for me to specialize and focus on one single topic of interest instead of "general personal development". If I do this, it would mean I wouldn't write any more general articles, but simply focus on one topic.

I agree with him, but am a bit saddened that it's so hard to make a living offering help in all areas. The only person I've seen who has been able to do it successfully is Steve.

Steve said once he doubted the impact of the forums on his blog, meaning the blog would just as popular without the forums. I don't buy that. This isn't a criticizm, but I don't find anything (other than SR) that Steve writes to be anything new.

It's the same old stuff rehashed for a new audience which of course is great for the new audience. If I was going to focus on one area, it would be about present moment awareness and how you entire life is really only one day, every other topic within PD relates back and from it.

You didn't ask for my opinion, but I like to give it anyway

Max

PS It may sound like I'm having a swing at Steve, but I'm not. Paul you could and should focus you're writing down, I have a great idea for us I'll pm you

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Max Power

Steve said once he doubted the impact of the forums on his blog, meaning the blog would just as popular without the forums. I don't buy that. This isn't a criticizm, but I don't find anything (other than SR) that Steve writes to be anything new.

Point taken. However, must something be new to be valuable?

I do agree that these forums are absolutely the most valuable thing Steve's ever done.

If I was going to focus on one area, it would be about present moment awareness and how your entire life is really only one day, every other topic within PD relates back and from it.

What is it that stops you from changing "If I was going to" to "I am going to"?

You didn't ask for my opinion, but I like to give it anyway

Always appreciated. If I didn't want opinions, I wouldn't have posted.

PS It may sound like I'm having a swing at Steve, but I'm not. Paul you could and should focus you're writing down, I have a great idea for us I'll pm you

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