The Battle of the Intentions

[songwriter]

Well.. I have explained in the forum that I have an opinion about IM that's different from the majority.
Instead of posting my opinion between posts of people with other opinions I'll try to develop it here.
I've had new ideas about it today. And I'm gonna try to write them down now. Maybe I will see my opinion has no sense at all and I'll join the majority.


Ok, you think an intention: "I want..." for me, or to be more accurate "Yo quiero..." in Spanish, as it has a slightly different meaning.
Why sometimes it manifest or not?
Why it takes some time or not?

I think that is because the Universe has to "rearrange" itself to manifest your intention.
And maybe it has to "rearrange" some other people intentions too!

You intend to get some job. Imagine the boss of that company wants an employee with a certain trait and you don't have it.
The Universe has to rearrange itself and change the intention of the boss to make him want another kind of employee, You.

So, does that mean that if you intend it you will get that job? No.
The boss has his own intentions. He wants an employee that...
Now there's the situation of one intention against the other.

"Battle of intentions" or whatever you call it....

Imagine you intend "I want to be the tennis player that's #1 in the world ranking".
It's not gonna happen tomorrow, you're not gonna read the papers and see yourself there... (unless you're Roger Federer, lol ). BTW, I'm a very bad tennis player....
The Universe has to rearrange itself a lot to manifest that. Your body/mind has to gain skills, etc. then you obviously have to play the tournaments... and all that needs some time.
It doesn't seem so hard thought...
Okey.

You're not the only one intending that.
At least the top 10 players may be intending that... and who knows how many people does it too.

Your intention may rearrange other people intentions but theirs rearrange yours too....

The difference is that if you're familiar with the IM "I want..." you have more of a Conscious Control over it. Other may not have such clear goals, these may be that "talents" that never reach the top.
But you have the advantage of knowing what you want and saying it to the Universe. That's an advantage but that doesn't make you number one neccesarily.

If we come back to the job offer... You have that job position as a clear goal. But maybe the boss doesn't have such a strong affirmation/intention about the kind of employee he wants... that's when you intention can manifest.


Now some weird things about it.
It seems the Universe is a perfect democracy. I mean all the people has equal power to intend. The same for you and for that boss, only that some people makes the intentions clearer and stronger.

But hey... what happens with 5 intentions of 5 people against 1 one intention of one person.
In Democracy the intention of the majority should manifest. Though it may take some time anyway for the Universe to rearrange itself anyway.

mmm... well, the famous situation of the child abused. The child may want to stop being abused. And the man may want to keep abusing the child.
Then the Universe doesn't change. Unless... there are other people intending that to stop.
Often these situation stops when someone, as a teacher, for instance, or so realizes of what's happening and then he wants then to stop it.

So the world is just what we all want it to be or so...
To rearrange the world needs many intenders and time... and to have not many people against of it...

But conscious people are more..."conscious" with this than others... so we have greater power to make that change. We know how it works, or at least we try to learn...

Now I have a doubt... how many intentions can one person make? "A lot", will be an answer... okey... but then your power may be divided in parts or so, I think... don't you think?

Sometimes a intention of you doesn't manifest because... it goes against another intention you already have... LOL... that's the problem of so many intentions...

Obviously I'm not sure of all this. I'm not like politicians, they're always sure of everything... this not even a theory but a hypothesis...

[eternomi]

You gotta ask yourself the following:

"Do my cells make the decisions and move my body? Or do I make the decision and move my cells as a whole?"

If you were a cell inside a human being, would your I-M concept still work? If you are a cell within a larger body (a galaxy perhaps), does your will have any effect? Is there even such a thing?

You might say "Well, I am the only conscious thing around here".. At one point in time, people thought Earth was the center of the universe. That view is long gone. I think eventually "We are -or I am- the only conscious beings" view will be replaced as well.

If we take the "I control my body" approach, when you decide to drink a glass of water, your body has to move in some very intricate ways. The entire motion is coordinated in a complex way. If you were to look at individual cells at different parts of your body while your body is taking care of the "drink water" command, they might appear to be doing unrelated, independent things, but you know at a higher level, they are working toward the single goal drinking water.

Now if you zoom out, human beings are cells of the entity "humanity" working towards some goal that someone(?) set.. Who is that someone? I dunno.. Let's go back to the body: Which cell decided to drink water?

I also started a thread as to why IM, LoA and SR are broken. Take a look if you wish:
http://www.stevepavlina.com/forums/i...-r-broken.html

[songwriter]

Hey, but cells are not conscious but human beings are.

I don't say I'm the only conscious here but the opposite, everyone it's conscious and have their own intentions (or not).

[songwriter]

Hey, I've read your post and it's very similar to what I've been stating here since I started posting into this forum. The first post of this thread would be a kind of summary of it all with my new ideas updated.

Yes, I think "We're all part of the masterplan" Oasis, The Masterplan.

[eternomi]

Hey, but cells are not conscious but human beings are.

And you know this how? Ever tried talking to a cell?

[songwriter]

Originally Posted by outback

And you know this how? Ever tried talking to a cell?

Well, maybe even atoms are conscious or so... who knows...

Some new thoughts about all this...

The concept of Democracy of intentions....
I don't think that intentions of all the persons have the same power.
Maybe people that is more conscious have much power than people that's less conscious.

The famous example would be Gandhi intending India independence in a peaceful way. They did it... or he did it. I don't know. He kind of calmed down the things there...

So maybe that is right... the intentions of a very conscious person may equal the power of the intentions of many less conscious persons.

What about if your power is divided betwen all the things you intend or not?
If you only have one intention or so would that be more powerful than having 10 intentions because you divide your power????
well... I don't think so... you could make a very long intention instead of 10 separated ones. haha...

So maybe we can help each other intentions and our own intentions would have the same power...

[Frans]

songwriter, if there really is a Law of Intention, it can only exist in a subjective reality: when there is only one creature, there cannot be any conflicts - unless this creature wants that.
But even then: why would that unique creature NEED this LoA?

Originally Posted by outback

At one point in time, people thought Earth was the center of the universe. That view is long gone. I think eventually "We are -or I am- the only conscious beings" view will be replaced as well.

Consider this:

I'm the only creature in this universe.
I created this universe and I gave myself a physical body to enjoy my creation.
All people are only created to play a role in my game.

Now, please tell me how you can prove that this "opinion" is wrong.

[songwriter]

Originally Posted by Frans

songwriter, if there really is a Law of Intention, it can only exist in a subjective reality: when there is only one creature, there cannot be any conflicts - unless this creature wants that.
But even then: why would that unique creature NEED this LoA?




Consider this:

I'm the only creature in this universe.
I created this universe and I gave myself a physical body to enjoy my creation.
All people are only created to play a role in my game.

Now, please tell me how you can prove that this "opinion" is wrong.

I can't prove is wrong but you can't prove is right. Believe what you will. Well, what I'm writing may be created by you then. Welcome it. It's part of you.

I know, it's not you the only creature... it's Me. No, well is you....

Man, that things is like somebody who is crazy and thinks he's Napoleon or so.
In his subjective reality... he's Napoleon really! you can't take away that from him.
But is that what you want?

[songwriter]

After all I've wrote I want to make a summary of it. Call it a formula.

M = U + (I L) P times - (I L) P times

lol... calm down here I go...

M=Manifestation, outcome, final result or situation
U=Universe, how things are in a moment, call it the result of all the previous intentions
I=Intention made
+=Intentions made in a certain direction, that change the universe some way
-=Intentions made in opposittes directions from the previous ones
L=level of consciousness of the person that holds the intention
P=number of people that hold that intention or a similar intention

So the manifestation would be:
How the things are now (U) changed by a force of all the people intending a thing (and every person has a "force" according to his level of consciousness) but resisted by a force of all the people intending an opposite thing.

Don't take this too seriously, of course. I'm just writing possible things... maybe I'll change the formula soon.

M=U + (+-IL) P times, maybe looks better.

[Erki]

L would probably need indexes like L1, L2, L3 etc with L being the arithmetic average or L1 + ... + LP.

[dorothy hanna]

Wouldn't the (U)= Universe, be instead (R)= present reality?

[Richful]

Lets break this down a bit.
What is an intention? A choice or a definiton: "This is the way things are!"
It can be in the form of thought or emotion (usually both), especially assumption (a thought without thought ) or an awareness of something.
That is a continuous process, you never stop "intending".

[songwriter]

Originally Posted by Erki

L would probably need indexes like L1, L2, L3 etc with L being the arithmetic average or L1 + ... + LP.

I know... I'll have time to arrange the details, I think people would understand it better the way I wrote it.

[songwriter]

Originally Posted by dorothy hanna

Wouldn't the (U)= Universe, be instead (R)= present reality?

Well, maybe... it could be "manifestation 1" and the result "manifestation 2" too.
I know I have to arrange details of the formula a lot, the meaning may be right.

[songwriter]

Originally Posted by Richful

Lets break this down a bit.
What is an intention? A choice or a definiton: "This is the way things are!"
It can be in the form of thought or emotion (usually both), especially assumption (a thought without thought ) or an awareness of something.
That is a continuous process, you never stop "intending".

Exactly this is a continuous process. Manifestations changes the Universe and the next day intentions can be different, etc.

[eternomi]

This entire exercise is showing that you are following the mindset of "controlling". You are trying to make sure it all works out as you intended it. Being controlling is great when you use it on your inside (your mind), but not so great when you use it on your outside (events, outcomes, people). Not to mention "controlling" usually comes in the same package as fear, attachment, insecurity and all sorts of other buggers.

[bix]

songwriter: well, the famous situation of the child abused. The child may want to stop being abused. And the man may want to keep abusing the child. Then the Universe doesn't change. Unless... there are other people intending that to stop.

This has got me rolling on the floor laughing. :-) You bet the child would want to stop being abused. I can also guarantee you that this would not nearly be enough to stop the abuse. It would have been necessary to start manifesting a policeman. Although normal people would use the term "calling" or "screaming".

No offence.

[eternomi]

Originally Posted by bix

I can also guarantee you that this would not nearly be enough to stop the abuse.

I also hope that he spends considerable amount of time each night intending all the abused people to get relief from their abusers.. Just because he doesn't seem them doesn't mean it's not happening.

What about the people dying in Africa from disease and hunger; and the people fighting in Iraq? Why aren't you stopping those? That's very insensitive of you if you are just letting them waste their lives away like that..

Maybe these situations don't exist in your reality.

[songwriter]

Originally Posted by bix

This has got me rolling on the floor laughing. :-) You bet the child would want to stop being abused. I can also guarantee you that this would not nearly be enough to stop the abuse. It would have been necessary to start manifesting a policeman. Although normal people would use the term "calling" or "screaming".

No offence.

Man, the policeman would be that "other person".

[songwriter]

Originally Posted by outback

I also hope that he spends considerable amount of time each night intending all the abused people to get relief from their abusers.. Just because he doesn't seem them doesn't mean it's not happening.

What about the people dying in Africa from disease and hunger; and the people fighting in Iraq? Why aren't you stopping those? That's very insensitive of you if you are just letting them waste their lives away like that..

Maybe these situations don't exist in your reality.

Well, intending many things leads to frustation in my opinion. You would never be satisfied. Everything can always be better. I low down the number of my intentions to only 2. And anyway I'll know I'll never be satisfied.

Those two things "hunger in Africa" and "soldiers in Iraq" are things with many causes involved... very complex things. Anyway... how the Universe is now (politicians power) would make my intention power almost non-existent.
"You have to be the change you want to see in the world" Gandhi.