You have a choice

[jdiddy]

Originally Posted by Shamou

That is the perfect description of someone who is not in contact with reality... which is fine if it's your choice... but it simply is not mine...

Could you imagine the world being run by people who thought that reality is one giant lucid dream...??? Can you imagine if your mate, family and friends thought that reality was one giant lucid dream...???
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I will leave you with one last thought, and then I am leaving this forum in search of a more fruitful place to have open discussions.

I used to be like you, demanding scientific proof for everything before I would believe it. I was so interested in this scientific proof that I followed science to the very edges of knowledge, to the very biggest scales of the universe and scales so tiny that we have no way of seeing them.

What I discovered is that science is continually expanding what we know about how things work, but there is always a limit to that knowledge, an outer limit to human knowledge. There's always a boundary that science is unable to see beyond, and at those points science shrugs its collective shoulders and simply says "we don't know".

You are certainly free to follow science to those places, but be prepared to study, read, and immerse yourself in it for years. There is a LOT of ground to cover.

When you reach that point, or just accept that it's there, you have a decision to make. This is where you decide if you want to take the red pill or the blue pill.

If you take the blue pill, you make the decision to wait for science to approve of things before you are willing to accept them. You choose to operate within the framework of accepted knowledge. The world will pretty much behave the way you think it should, and it will be easy for you to discount anything that falls outside of that framework as lunacy. You will demand proof of anything that doesn't agree with your mindset until the cows come home, and it will never be enough. That is fine, it is your choice.

If you take the red pill, you decide that science has its limits and cannot explain everything. If you follow science to its limits, it is inevitable that you will arrive here. It's the road I took. Once you come to this realization, you will understand that the only way to figure out if something is possible or not is to TRY IT. It doesn't matter is science says it SHOULD be possible, the reason why something works might very well lie outside the boundaries of what science knows. You decide to say ♥♥♥♥♥ it, and jump in with both feet. Trial by fire baby.

Taking the red pill will change your life forever. You will not look at things the same, you will question everything. Things will happen to you which you will not be able to explain. There will be a chasm between you and people who have taken the blue pill, almost as if you are living in different worlds. This will include your friends and family (and certainly people on Internet forums

This is not a decision to be taken lightly. I do not resent anyone who decides to take the blue pill, it is just as valid a choice as the red pill. And I believe that while the red pill offers many more possibilities, and I don't regret having gone down that road for a second, it is also much more difficult. As with anything in life, risks and rewards balance each other out. While I've had rewards beyond anything I could have dreamed of, it is a HARD road to walk.

Make this choice wisely, it will define your life. Best of luck and all my prayers are with you in your journey.

'Bye.

[impaul99]

Well said JDiddy, what's even more 'frustrating' is that a lot of the people who choose the "blue pill" think that the rest of us who took the "red pill" are in "LaLaLand". THey think that we believe in things like "Intention Manifestation" without "Massive Action" because we lack intelligence. I graduated school with honors. I won "Best Electronics Student" in a school of 2500 with a 99% grade. I finished Computer Science one year earlier because it was so easy for me. My strong subjects in school were Math, Physics, Computer Science, Electronics and Drafting. I have also studied calculus etc.

Look at Steve, I don't think his intelligence is something that one would question.

People taking the blue pill should as themselves why do people like us believe in this stuff? Is it because we're too dumb to understand science? I don't think so. Maybe it's because we understand it better than you do.

[pc99]

I find people who take the blue pill do not have a very strong foundation for their beliefs. I think that is one of the reasons Shamou appears in every thread saying “NO NO NO… there is only one way”. But, everyone is allowed their own opinion.

JDiddy - I’m sorry to see this is your last post. I have been looking into shamanism since you mentioned it in this thread

Was very excited when I saw this (however, it was closed before I even read it.

I hope you’ll change your mind and return. Even though I have nothing to add to the closed thread at this time am very interested in hearing others experiences with it.

[Shamou]

Our entire Western culture is based on the work of the Classical Greek philosophy of Socrates, Plato, Aristotle et all…

The way we think, reason and use logic is based on the work of these men… and what these men were after was the truth… and nothing else…

Our society has evolved on that base and so has science… however, in order in order to keep on searching for the truth… we have to base our reflections on the most solid evidences available and not on anecdotal incidences…

Our lives can be enriched by fables, stories and strange occurrences… however, those are not the path that will lead us closer to an elusive truth…

That being said, LoA has been an integral part of my life for decades… I have, and still am using it very successfully in the sense that I do attract good things in my life and that it has, to a great degree, allowed me to find peace and happiness...

What I want to share in these pages is what has happened to me in the past… and not in some uncertain future… hoping that some people can apply, in their own life, what has been successful for me… and thus… share the same results…
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[Lil Chris]

jdiddy,
Stick around man (or woman?), There are a few folks that seem to be on the same wave length in here...

I agree we spend too much time on defending our opinions...

[ZHereford]

Originally Posted by jdiddy

I will leave you with one last thought, and then I am leaving this forum in search of a more fruitful place to have open discussions.

I'm sorry that you feel this way. I think that there have been many fruitful and heated discussions in these forums with a broad and diverse set of opinions. That is what I consider to be fruitful. I wouldn't want everyone to agree with me. I find that I learn much more about myself and life when I consider how others see things.

Make this choice wisely, it will define your life. Best of luck and all my prayers are with you in your journey. 'Bye.

Why do we have to make a choice?

Science has it's place as do faith, speculation, experimentation and conjecture. I would refuse either pill and would take everything on a case by case basis. To deny science is as close minded as anything. To be open-minded you must consider all possibilities - and not lightly.

I am grateful for those who I have disagreed with and those who have disagreed with me. From them I have learned much.

A productive forum is one which does not subscribe to one, and only one, set of beliefs. This is such a forum.

[Tam9]

Originally Posted by jdiddy

I will leave you with one last thought, and then I am leaving this forum in search of a more fruitful place to have open discussions.

Make this choice wisely, it will define your life. Best of luck and all my prayers are with you in your journey.'Bye.

This is a very condescending and arrogant attitude on your part! Why don't you just say that you're better and smarter than most people here and are therefore leaving to be with your own kind. Heaven forbid that you should learn from someone who doesn't share your beliefs.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Shamou

That being said, LoA has been an integral part of my life for decades… I have, and still am using it very successfully in the sense that I do attract good things in my life and that it has, to a great degree, allowed me to find peace and happiness....

Can you explain to me the version of LoA that you've been using for decades? How does it work?

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by impaul99

Can you explain to me the version of LoA that you've been using for decades? How does it work?

Well, for one thing, I don’t deal in specificity but in generalities… like, I will manifest abundance (but not a specific amount of money) …I see sickness as something that is only necessary when it becomes the best option… (that option has not been necessary in the past two decades) as far as love is concerned… I firmly believe that I have the seventh wonder of the world as a mate…

So, that takes care of the essentials which is love, health and money…

For anything else that I may desire, I don’t manifest it… I simply ask the “Universal Intelligence” how I can get it… so far it has not failed… the answer with the solution always presented itself…

Some of the things that this technique has brought me was: having an extremely successful Chiropractic practice… hosting a TV show for five years (which gave me a terrific blast and manureloads of strokes for my ego) ...I was invited to give hundreds of talks on health and PD (another ego strokers) …for two decades I was among the best know persons in my profession… etc…

The sum total of which has left me totally satisfied with my life… at peace and happy…
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[ZHereford]

Originally Posted by Shamou

The sum total of which has left me totally satisfied with my life… at peace and happy…

That's not too shabby by anyone's standards, Shamou!

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by ZHereford

That's not too shabby by anyone's standards, Shamou!

Thank you darling... life has been good for me...
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[Uplift]

Originally Posted by Shamou

Our entire Western culture is based on the work of the Classical Greek philosophy of Socrates, Plato, Aristotle et all…

The way we think, reason and use logic is based on the work of these men… and what these men were after was the truth… and nothing else…

Our society has evolved on that base and so has science… however, in order in order to keep on searching for the truth… we have to base our reflections on the most solid evidences available and not on anecdotal incidences…

Our lives can be enriched by fables, stories and strange occurrences… however, those are not the path that will lead us closer to an elusive truth…

That being said, LoA has been an integral part of my life for decades… I have, and still am using it very successfully in the sense that I do attract good things in my life and that it has, to a great degree, allowed me to find peace and happiness...

What I want to share in these pages is what has happened to me in the past… and not in some uncertain future… hoping that some people can apply, in their own life, what has been successful for me… and thus… share the same results…
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Are you serious? Share? All you do is force, assert, and attempt to prove your dominant alpha belief and your superiority. But thats easily explainable. You espouse science and facts, yet base heaps of argument on the opposite, and run a mile when asked to provide scientific evidence. The Greek 'Golden Age' society crumbled and collapsed. Irrefutable fact. That thinking led to war and collapse, as has happened to all who follow the same path. Irrefutable fact. Greek and the sequential western history is embroiled in myth and fable, and force and violence. Irrefutable fact. You have chosen a model that didn't work, and are blindly following it. A basic simple premise of personal development is that repeating thought patterns that produce particular results, will continue to produce and compound those results. So you just keep repeating a thought pattern that throughout history has produced domination, societal unrest, war and collapse. Start thinking like a real alpha and have the guts and intelligence to try and embrace and explore something new, instead of opting to attempt to ridicule those that have the fortitude to do so. Or just blindly stumble on down the same old path wondering about the 'elusive' secrets of truth.

You want respect for your beliefs and achievements, then apply the same to others, another basic premise of personal development and LoA.

And as far as your 'scientific, factual claim' regarding your being an expert 'adept bodybuilder'...the proof is all there. Like they say, a picture is worth 13,000 posts.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Uplift

Are you serious? Share? All you do is force, assert, and attempt to prove your dominant alpha belief and your superiority. But thats easily explainable. You espouse science and facts, yet base heaps of argument on the opposite, and run a mile when asked to provide scientific evidence. The Greek 'Golden Age' society crumbled and collapsed. Irrefutable fact. That thinking led to war and collapse, as has happened to all who follow the same path. Irrefutable fact. Greek and the sequential western history is embroiled in myth and fable, and force and violence. Irrefutable fact. You have chosen a model that didn't work, and are blindly following it. A basic simple premise of personal development is that repeating thought patterns that produce particular results, will continue to produce and compound those results. So you just keep repeating a thought pattern that throughout history has produced domination, societal unrest, war and collapse. Start thinking like a real alpha and have the guts and intelligence to try and embrace and explore something new, instead of opting to attempt to ridicule those that have the fortitude to do so. Or just blindly stumble on down the same old path wondering about the 'elusive' secrets of truth.

You want respect for your beliefs and achievements, then apply the same to others, another basic premise of personal development and LoA.

And as far as your 'scientific, factual claim' regarding your being an expert 'adept bodybuilder'...the proof is all there. Like they say, a picture is worth 13,000 posts.

Your rhetoric leaves me speechless...

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[Uplift]

Originally Posted by Shamou

Your rhetoric leaves me speechless...

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That's to be expected. I'm on the Dean's Honour Roll for it. Awesome eh! LoA, gotta love it!

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Shamou

Our entire Western culture is based on the work of the Classical Greek philosophy of Socrates, Plato, Aristotle et all…

The way we think, reason and use logic is based on the work of these men… and what these men were after was the truth… and nothing else…

Our society has evolved on that base and so has science… however, in order in order to keep on searching for the truth…
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Your posts constantly amuse me, shamou. The irony is always so deliciously accidental.

Did you know that Socrates had a spirit guide? Who talked to him every now and then, for a good part of his adult life? And rendered him advice at critical moments of his life?

Google "socrates" and "daemon", (yes, with the letter "a"), and you will see. It's nothing that uncommon - a modern example would be esther hicks and her "abraham".

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Shamou

Well, for one thing, I don’t deal in specificity but in generalities… like, I will manifest abundance (but not a specific amount of money) …

What exactly do you mean "manifest" abundance? Can you explain exactly how you've used LoA to "manifest abundance"?

I see sickness as something that is only necessary when it becomes the best option… (that option has not been necessary in the past two decades) as far as love is concerned… I firmly believe that I have the seventh wonder of the world as a mate…

So, that takes care of the essentials which is love, health and money…

Can you be a bit more specific as to how exactly you take care of love, health and money? Meaning, what specifically do you DO to manifest these? Like if I was a student of your teachings, how would I got about manifesting love, health and money using your version of LoA?

For anything else that I may desire, I don’t manifest it… I simply ask the “Universal Intelligence” how I can get it… so far it has not failed… the answer with the solution always presented itself…

How has it presented itself? Could you elaborate?

Some of the things that this technique has brought me was: having an extremely successful Chiropractic practice… hosting a TV show for five years (which gave me a terrific blast and manureloads of strokes for my ego) ...I was invited to give hundreds of talks on health and PD (another ego strokers) …for two decades I was among the best know persons in my profession… etc…

The sum total of which has left me totally satisfied with my life… at peace and happy…
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I am happy for you. However, I am curious how you did it though. What specific steps did you take to manifest such a happy and peaceful life?

[Brutha]

Originally Posted by pc99

Was very excited when I saw this (however, it was closed before I even read it.

It's open again. There were certain people who tried to go offtopic in that thread and we moderators had to have a discussion of who to deal with it.

Please respects other peoples beliefs and don't turn threads about a subtopic of Intention Manifestion into, "Does the LoA work"-threads.
If you want to discuss whether the LoA works, open a new thread. You can also quote something from the original thread if you want to, but please don't go offtopic in a thread and/or attack people for the beliefs that they hold. Always seperate the persons holding a belief from the belief itself.

If you think that someone doesn't follow our forum rules, please hit the "Report post" button.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Did you know that Socrates had a spirit guide?

I cannot see what is ironic about that... Socrates was seeking inspiration and guidance from the "Universal Intelligence" and he called it a spiritual guide...

Anyone can have access to the Universal Intelligence... I do it... the birds and the bees do it... anyone can do it...

However, Socrates was asking for guidance... and not a pair of Gucci sandals...
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[Dan.Linehan]

Originally Posted by Shamou

However, Socrates was asking for guidance... and not a pair of Gucci sandals...

Shamou,

I remember you've espoused the importance of financial independence time and time again here, even going so far as to say that you personally need $20 million dollars to feel secure in this day and age.

Why would you worry about someone wanting to purchase a pair of name brand sandals with their financial abundance?

[llong]

Why the overly simplistic analogy?

Maybe there are areas where the red pill is best, and others where the blue pill is best?

[impaul99]

Shamou, do you plan on answering my questions?

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Dan.Linehan

Why would you worry about someone wanting to purchase a pair of name brand sandals with their financial abundance?

That was part joke... and part analogy...

As in, Socrates wanting a pair of Gucci sandals... (that was the joke) but more trying to make the point that Socrates was seeking guidance and not material things when evoking the Universal Intelligence...

My wife always said that my jokes were not always that funny...
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[Dan.Linehan]

Originally Posted by Shamou

but more trying to make the point that Socrates was seeking guidance and not material things when evoking the Universal Intelligence...

It just seems that sometimes you come across very materialistic, and say that you've used the LOA to bring you your financial success over the years, yet other times you seem to scoff at people who are trying to use the LOA to bring themselves financial success.

Just trying to figure out where you stand..

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Dan.Linehan

It just seems that sometimes you come across very materialistic, and say that you've used the LOA to bring you your financial success over the years, yet other times you seem to scoff at people who try to use the LOA to bring themselves financial success.

Just trying to figure out where you stand..

Where I stand is extremely easy to explain... I believe that you can manifest abundance but not a specific amount... and abundance means all that you want and desire...

And the way that I do that is by seeing people who need my services everywhere... and those who do not need my services right now... know someone who does and can't wait to tell them about me...

In my hometown at least ten to twenty million dollars will exchange hand every day... it's all over the friggin place... so getting some is not all that hard to do...
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[impaul99]

Originally Posted by impaul99

Shamou, do you plan on answering my questions?

Guess not eh? I figured you'd do that. You speak in generalities. You often contradict your own statements. When asked direction questions you avoid them. You say statements like "I manifest abundence" but won't elaborate on what you mean by "manifest", etc.

Why are you afraid to express your opinion?

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by impaul99
What exactly do you mean "manifest" abundance? Can you explain exactly how you've used LoA to "manifest abundance"?

See post #24…

Can you be a bit more specific as to how exactly you take care of love, health and money?

Simply by seeing myself as someone who was destined to have these things… whoever I never believed that they would be free… I do believe that first you must get the expertise (in my case it was a hundred of so lectures and seminars… over 4000 hours of studying “Awaken the Giant Within” by T. Robbins… and not least of which was preparing and giving lectures and seminars on the subject…)

And, then… you must walk the walk and do the things that need to be done with the energy and passion that is needed…

Shamou...
For anything else that I may desire, I don’t manifest it… I simply ask the “Universal Intelligence” how I can get it… so far it has not failed… the answer with the solution always presented itself…

mpaul99
How has it presented itself? Could you elaborate?

I believe that all knowledge and all answers exist in the Universal Intelligence and all that you have to do to get the information you need is to ask the right question… and the operative word here are, “the RIGHT question”

If you ask that Universal Intelligence, “How come I don’t have any money…???” it will probably answer, “Because you are stupid…” But, if you ask, “How can I get money…???” It will show you how…

What specific steps did you take to manifest such a happy and peaceful life?

I did the things that needed to be done in order to get the things (both physical and emotional) that I wanted… plus, I build a strong enough self-confidence that makes me confident that I will never be in need and that I will always be able to get whatever it is that I do want…
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[impaul99]

Firstly, thanks for answering my questions.

Originally Posted by Shamou

Simply by seeing myself as someone who was destined to have these things… whoever I never believed that they would be free… I do believe that first you must get the expertise (in my case it was a hundred of so lectures and seminars… over 4000 hours of studying “Awaken the Giant Within” by T. Robbins… and not least of which was preparing and giving lectures and seminars on the subject…)

And, then… you must walk the walk and do the things that need to be done with the energy and passion that is needed…

Would you say that the work you did delivering those lectures, studying "Awaken the Giant Within" for 4,000 is what made you "worthy" to receive the abundance you got? You say you saw yourself as destined to have those things, but what would have happened if you didn't do the work?

I believe that all knowledge and all answers exist in the Universal Intelligence and all that you have to do to get the information you need is to ask the right question… and the operative word here are, “the RIGHT question”

If you ask that Universal Intelligence, “How come I don’t have any money…???” it will probably answer, “Because you are stupid…” But, if you ask, “How can I get money…???” It will show you how…

What if I asked Universal Intelligence this question: "Universal Intelligence, how can I have complete financial abundance without working "hard" for it? How can I transcend my feelings of unworthiness to receive financial abundance *without* having to slave hundreds and thousands of hours in labor just so that I feel worthy? How can I feel worthy now, just for being born, to receive all the financial abundance I could ever want?"

Do you think that Universal Intelligence would be able to give me an answer to that?

Or do you think that there is a limit to the Intelligence of "Universal Intelligence" where it would reply with an answer like "Paul, I'm sorry but there is no solution to your problem. I'm afraid you're going to have to do at least 3,723 hours of work in order for me to hook you up with your first million. I tried everything I could, but I just can't find a way to get you wealthy by just being you and doing what you normally do. I'm afraid I'm going to need to get your butt in gear and work hard for the next 2.7 years"???

See, the thing is that up to this point, we completely agree with our points of view. THe only difference is that I'm somewhat of a lazy person, and I couldn't stand to work hard for 20 or 40 years. I got tired of it after about 4-5 years. Working +16h/day x 6 or 7 days a week was not fun, and my wife didn't really appreciate it either. So then I stopped asking UI "How do I make more money?", and instead I started asking "How can I make WAY more money with WAY less work?" and it gave me answers. I then implemented those answers and I made more money in one year then I did in the previous 8 years put together. That was the year that I realized that "working hard" is not always the solution. It *IS* if you forget to ask UI for how to do it without working hard.

Have you ever tried asking that question yourself? It took me a while to be able to ask it because I was raised to honor hard work, and working hard was considered an "honest days work", and there were a lot of feelings of guilt associated with making money too easily.

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by impaul99

Have you ever tried asking that question yourself? It took me a while to be able to ask it because I was raised to honor hard work, and working hard was considered an "honest days work", and there were a lot of feelings of guilt associated with making money too easily.

Who in their right mind wants to get rich slow???...........but the moment you say of even think Get Rich Quick, people freak out and start thinking and saying........scam, cheat, BS, dishouorable, etc.

Everyone wants to get rich quick, but everyone thinks (incorrectly) that there is something wrong with that. I made a large sum of money once doing very little and the feelings of guilt we're enormous, all because of what society, parents, friends, family had brainwashed me with. No one is really to blame except us when we accept the whole 'working hard for peanuts makes us worthy' that is the ultimate scam in my opinion.

Max

[Jenny]

As I read this thread I must say I'm a little confused as to why financial success seems to be such a strong measure of whether or not the law of attraction works. Doesn't how you achieve all of this success matter as well?

All the back and forth discussion about "hard" work or getting rich quick...why not do what you love? When you do what you love all the knowledge and lessons learned along the way are essential to where you ultimately end not a bother along the road. I don't believe anything worthwhile in life - love, knowledge, financial stability, etc. - comes and is successfully maintained without effort.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by impaul99
Would you say that the work you did delivering those lectures, studying "Awaken the Giant Within" for 4,000 is what made you "worthy" to receive the abundance you got? You say you saw yourself as destined to have those things, but what would have happened if you didn't do the work?

No… the study and the lecture had nothing to do with it… I don’t think that you get anything because you are “worthy” of it…

And, I never said that I was “worthy” either… I said that, “I WAS DESTINED” to have it… just like anyone who ever achieve great things… they feel that they were “destined” to achieve those things…

When you are “destined” for something, you live that destiny with every fiber of your being and with every conviction that you a capable of… and nothing can deter you from that destiny…

I started on that quest (formulate and integrate my destiny) after seeing the movie “Patton” where George C Scott, as Gen. Patton, talks about his destiny… that struck me like a 2x4 between the eyes and left an indelible impression with me… Patton had convinced himself that he knew that he was destined to be a great General… I simply emulated him…

Do you think that Universal Intelligence would be able to give me an answer to that?

The Universal Intelligence can provide you with any answer that you think it can…

Also, I believe that there is a very strong distinction between “Taking Massive” action and “Working Hard” that you fail to grasp… as in, do you think Donald Trump, Arnold Schwarzenegger of Tony Robbins work hard…???
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