How to change your physical body

[jdiddy]

I wanted to start a thread to discuss *techniques* for changing your physical body. The last thread on this topic devolved from an interesting discussion how to do it into a discussion about whether or not this is possible. I know from personal experience that it is, and have no interest in debating this further with people who disagree--I'm only interested in a constructive discussion about *how to do it more effectively*. If you don't agree that this is possible please just ignore this thread.

As I explained in my original post which unfortunately ended up taking the thread off-topic, I have used shamanic techniques to great effect to change my physical body. I have used these techniques to heal cuts, kill infections, heal bruises (and possibly broken bones, it's hard to be sure of the severity when you use these techniques to heal them), regrow lost hair, and bodybuild. I'm certainly extremely interested in knowing what other people have been able to do with these techniques as well.

The philosophy behind shamanism is that the waking world is a dream, just the same as a dream you have while you're sleeping. Being able to change and manipulate the world around you is, at its core, simply a matter of realizing that you have the ability to change it. The key here, as in most traditions that teach some form of intention/manifestation, is the concept of "as within, so without". Meaning that the world is as you think it is.

For me, this means establishing some form of continuity between what I'm perceiving as the present, what I remember as the past, and what I want to be the future. Obviously the past and future don't technically exist right now except as a memory or an idea, so if you can change those memories and ideas to be consistent with the way you want reality to be, you end up changing the present moment.

Let me give an example I've used, not healing this time. When I was younger I used to be into bodybuilding, and I've worked out pretty regularly ever since. Not hard-core or anything, but enough to maintain the level of health I want, and fit into my clothes decently. When I started comprehending the techniques of changing my reality and molding it to what I want it to be, I adopted a slightly different approach. I started actively changing my memories of the past, "remembering" myself doing more reps, lifting heavier weights, and going to the gym more often. When I was at the gym, I would envision myself being more muscular, which allowed me to push out more reps. In a short time I was able to get the body I wanted while going to the gym less, simply by going more in my "memory".

This type of phenomen is extremely well documented, it's well accepted that doing exercises mentally is *almost* as effective as doing them physically. You build muscle, get stronger, and become more coordinaated just as if you were actually doing it. What I realized that if I was able to implant the memory of having done the exercise it would be just as effective in changing my body.

The part that gets tricky, for me at least, is trying to comprehend how this works. It almost seems like I'm constructing an alternative reality in the past, and getting myself to accept that alternative reality without question almost feels like I'm tricking my concious mind--it resists it, to some extent. It takes concious effort, and all the thought control ability that I have, to force myself to accept the alternative reality instead of the one I've already experienced. My best guess about how this works, as of right now, is that I have to spend more time mentally in the alternative reality than I spent in the physical reality observing what I want to change. For example, if I slam my finger in a car door, the longer I spend dwelling on the pain and what just happened, the longer it will take to heal. If I *immediately* recognize that I need to construct an alternate version of what just happened, and run thru it in my mind several times, then the alternate version becomes more real than what just physically happened, I forget about the pain, and pretty quickly forget that it ever happened.

So that is the core of my technique in a nutshell. It's taken me a long time to train myself to have the level of thought control where I'm cognizant of what I'm observing and thinking about, and am able to derail that train of thought and replace it with the reality that I really want. It's like editing a video of my life as it happens, the trick is to force yourself to forget about the clips that you don't want to have happen.

[Mark Lapierre]

Originally Posted by jdiddy

This type of phenomen is extremely well documented, it's well accepted that doing exercises mentally is *almost* as effective as doing them physically. You build muscle, get stronger, and become more coordinaated just as if you were actually doing it. What I realized that if I was able to implant the memory of having done the exercise it would be just as effective in changing my body.

The part that gets tricky, for me at least, is trying to comprehend how this works. It almost seems like I'm constructing an alternative reality in the past, and getting myself to accept that alternative reality without question almost feels like I'm tricking my concious mind--it resists it, to some extent. It takes concious effort, and all the thought control ability that I have, to force myself to accept the alternative reality instead of the one I've already experienced. My best guess about how this works, as of right now, is that I have to spend more time mentally in the alternative reality than I spent in the physical reality observing what I want to change. For example, if I slam my finger in a car door, the longer I spend dwelling on the pain and what just happened, the longer it will take to heal. If I *immediately* recognize that I need to construct an alternate version of what just happened, and run thru it in my mind several times, then the alternate version becomes more real than what just physically happened, I forget about the pain, and pretty quickly forget that it ever happened.

Firstly I should say this is not an attempt to discredit or disparage your ideas, or shamanism. I'm replying solely because you said you want to try to comprehend how this works. I'm going to do my best to just present some information for your consideration.

The phenomenon is documented, and the documentation does actually go into the details of the changes involved. The most often cited research I've seen is that by G.H. Yue. In one particular study he and his colleagues measured various physiological changes and found that the improved strength could be attributed to an increase in cortical output signal, and not to an increase in muscle mass.

In other words, the mental work resulted in neural changes, and those neural changes made it possible to get more out of the same muscle. Combined with physical exercise this would undoubtedly be much more effective than either alone (and there's a huge amount of anecdotal evidence that mental preparation improves results in physical activity, in many sports).

[Jenny]

Originally Posted by Mark Lapierre

In other words, the mental work resulted in neural changes, and those neural changes made it possible to get more out of the same muscle. Combined with physical exercise this would undoubtedly be much more effective than either alone (and there's a huge amount of anecdotal evidence that mental preparation improves results in physical activity, in many sports).

That's pretty cool.

[Uplift]

Originally Posted by Mark Lapierre

Firstly I should say this is not an attempt to discredit or disparage your ideas, or shamanism. I'm replying solely because you said you want to try to comprehend how this works. I'm going to do my best to just present some information for your consideration.

The phenomenon is documented, and the documentation does actually go into the details of the changes involved. The most often cited research I've seen is that by G.H. Yue. In one particular study he and his colleagues measured various physiological changes and found that the improved strength could be attributed to an increase in cortical output signal, and not to an increase in muscle mass.

In other words, the mental work resulted in neural changes, and those neural changes made it possible to get more out of the same muscle. Combined with physical exercise this would undoubtedly be much more effective than either alone (and there's a huge amount of anecdotal evidence that mental preparation improves results in physical activity, in many sports).

Yes its true, thinking does result in many physical changes. For instance, thinking releases adrenaline, hormones and effects blood supply. Free divers utilise the skill. Your body reacts the same whether you think you see a snake on the path, or whether there is an actual snake on the path. Thinking also effects neural activity and pathways. What exactly is involved in changing neural activity and pathways? Muscle mass, as any one who has experience in developing it knows, or as any one who has grown from a few cells in the womb to an adult knows, is drastically effected by hormone levels and blood supply. Muscle mass can obviously be effected by thinking alone. Otherwise, hormones and blood supply don't effect it.

A classic example is in the book Holy Cow: An Indian Adventure, by Sarah Mcdonald.

Life Matters: 31 March♥ 2003♥ - Sarah McDonald - Holy Cow: an Indian Adventure

A couple of friends who are very sceptical about many of my beliefs read the book because an aquaintance of the authors, also sceptical about such things, whom they respect, witnessed the exact thing happen to the author, also a very respected person. My friends rang me up excitedly one day saying you've got to read this book, it's unbelievable, this lady grew breasts, her doctors witnessed it, you've gotta read it, its amasing. I haven't read it, but they keep telling me about the story, and how this 'normal' really respected lady had her whole beliefs turned upside down. We laugh about it. I don't need to read it.

[cbreeze]

IMPO, you most definitely can, the hardest part is believing it and visualizing a new probable self with consistency and expectency. No room for doubts if you are WILLing to do the changing of belief system work. I've done it to some extent - as a child/teen I was always rail thin then in my thirties up to 169lbs. Upon reading quantum articles from many energies that confirm your cells do what you tell them to do, for, you create your body/illusion on a daily basis - only prob is that in the morning you look at yourself in the mirror and expect to see the same image - remember - you get what you focus on. So, fed up with my weight I would internally tell my cells to remember (as it all stays stored in cellular memory) that you are once again thin. I did it and now weigh 117, 5"6', late forties. Did the same w/large pores which became smaller, and told my body to produce more collagen and I look ten years younger. Much to your disbelief, it's true.

But, it goes that far. I had a reading eons ago that Seth said you can literally grow taller or shorter, grow hair even if you've never had it, and even look like anyone you'd like. Altho I believe that can be done, I haven't reached that kind of belief that I can look like Angelina Jolie or have large breasts which I'd like to read that book you recommended. How much time will it take? As long as you believe it will (as for my experiences). Nothing is etched in stone and we're all an illusion and maleable energy. GO FOR IT! Keep us posted! I am going to a retreat where they show ppl that look younger or who have changed a visible disability, etc. I'm a walk your talk kind of person and would like to see this. As JC said, "you can do and be like me, if you want to." Why not? But then again, comes the acceptance of yourself and the genes you're proud of inhereting. But, the ball is in our court, is my belief. Consistency and intense desire/belief is key. Good luck!

[boat]

Originally Posted by cbreeze

IMPO, you most definitely can, the hardest part is believing it and visualizing a new probable self with consistency and expectency. No room for doubts if you are WILLing to do the changing of belief system work. I've done it to some extent - as a child/teen I was always rail thin then in my thirties up to 169lbs. Upon reading quantum articles from many energies that confirm your cells do what you tell them to do, for, you create your body/illusion on a daily basis - only prob is that in the morning you look at yourself in the mirror and expect to see the same image - remember - you get what you focus on. So, fed up with my weight I would internally tell my cells to remember (as it all stays stored in cellular memory) that you are once again thin. I did it and now weigh 117, 5"6', late forties. Did the same w/large pores which became smaller, and told my body to produce more collagen and I look ten years younger. Much to your disbelief, it's true.

Hey cbreeze. When you went from 169lbs to 117, was it all mentally, or did you also change your diet/exercise? Also, when reducing the size of your pores/producing more collagen, what sorts of visualizations did you do, and did you do them while meditating (do you meditate?) or did you just randomly think about your desire throughout your day? Or some other method?

Please elaborate. I'm very interested in trying out what you've done!

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by boat

Hey cbreeze. When you went from 169lbs to 117, was it all mentally, or did you also change your diet/exercise? Also, when reducing the size of your pores/producing more collagen, what sorts of visualizations did you do, and did you do them while meditating (do you meditate?) or did you just randomly think about your desire throughout your day? Or some other method?

Please elaborate. I'm very interested in trying out what you've done!

Yeah me too!

[cbreeze]

Where to begin... let me start off by suggesting a book which is an easy read/instructions included; "The Nature of Personal Reality", channeled through Jane Roberts - a Seth book, along with logging in to the "Elias Forum", where you can use the search engine for comments/instructions supporting the efficacy and evidence of how to make miracles happen - and all, I'm finding out, IS mind made. There are a number of ways you can choose to reform your past body/thoughts; utilizing probable selves, conscious creation hypnotism that takes only five minutes, pretending is a good source/force which seems easy as we already practiced it as a kid, and imagination. All in aforementioned book.

I'm too lazy to do physial exercise nor meditate, but meditate by focusing my thoughts throughout the day and visualization, allowing, releasing and expecting it to happen - which will happen when you see it starting to happen. Losing this amt. of weight wasn't done overnight - I'd be on Oprah. But, like catastrophies can happen, so can miracles Tell your cells what ever you want = they listen like a drone complying to the queen's commands.

Quotes from page 295; Nature of Personal Reality
"Elements, chemcials, cells, atoms and molecules partially compose your living sculpture for which you are the designer of and you are the one who directs their activity through your conscious beliefs, which then initiate all of of those great creative powers that give your body its life and insure its constant reflection of the self that you believe you are". If you believe you're overweight - practice pretending you're thin. Feel it then see it.

Check out pages; 87, 187, 229, 337, 338 358 359, just to name a few. Remember, you are the artist, your body - your canvas. Paint it, decorate it however YOU want to be wanting to expressing how you want to look.

[Healthyfit]

This is excellent information, I hope that others will add more info

[cbreeze]

The following post is channeled from the same energetic field as Seth - energy known as "ELIAS". Read on. Interesting, but be forewarned that it is a VERY LONG post!

Sunday, August 29, 2004
"Beliefs About Appearance"


ELIAS: (Chuckles) It is your choice!

ESTER: Yes, I know! (Long pause) A subject I wanted to talk about was all
this stuff related to what I'm doing or what I'm having with sexuality, with
attractiveness, attraction, and all those beliefs and things about that, being
attractive.

ELIAS: And what do you assess is your struggle in association with what you
find to be attractive in other individuals? (Very long pause)

ESTER: In a way, let's say I'm attracted to a specific physical appearance...

ELIAS: Very well.

ESTER: ...and I guess it's something I am not. Let's say what I consider
beautiful, I'm not that, and I guess I'm struggling with it because I almost
feel like I'm rejecting myself by finding somebody else beautiful and
attractive.

ESTER: I guess part of what I'm talking about right now about me is I'm
uncomfortable how I look, because in my case I've gained weight, a little bit.
It makes me uncomfortable, and I guess I'm not accepting that because I can
still feel myself fighting it.

ELIAS: First of all, let me express to you that it is not bad or wrong to
prefer a particular type of appearance with yourself. I am aware that there
are beliefs concerning vanity that are perceived to be bad or that there are
automatic assessments that if an individual is too occupied with their physical
appearance being expressed in a particular manner that the individual is
perceived to be shallow, less spiritual and less of an intricate individual,
which is not necessarily true.

Each individual incorporates differences in their preferences concerning
physical appearance, and to prefer that you express your physical appearance in
a certain manner is not bad. But with yourself, and with many individuals,
what occurs many times is that the individual incorporates beliefs concerning
appearance that involve beliefs concerning yourself as an individual, your
value and your depth, and that if you are preferring that you express a
particular type of physical body appearance that that also suggests that you
are more shallow and concerning yourself with elements of your physical reality
that should not matter, and that regardless of your physical appearance, you
should be accepting of yourself in whatever manner you express your physical
appearance. That is a strongly expressed belief, but it is not true for that
does not allow for preferences. (20-second pause)

But in this, let me also express to you, what occurs is that these beliefs that
express if you are concerning yourself with physical appearance too much that
you are less spiritual and incorporate less depth as an individual, those are
the beliefs that are being expressed, and therefore, that is where your
concentration is. Therefore, you create in a manner to reflect those beliefs,
for you are not acknowledging your preference. You are expressing a judgment
with regard to your preference, and therefore, you create the expression of
your beliefs.

ESTER: The problem right now is I'm also struggling about this thing with you,
because I don't want it to become like a teacher thing. I want it to be more
like a friendship, where we're relaxed and talk, which I think I'm doing, but I
feel myself pulling in and out of that.

ELIAS: I am understanding, for you view myself to be an authority figure.
That sets a barrier, which creates a hindrance in association with attempting
to generate friendship.

In this, regardless of whether you perceive myself to be an authority or not,
if you are allowing yourself to acknowledge yourself and express the
appreciation of yourself, you allow yourself to perceive yourself as a peer.
Regardless that you may continue to view myself as an authority, in the
acknowledgment and appreciation of yourself you may be interacting with me in
friendship anyway.


ELIAS: I am understanding. And you are not generating that comfort in this
now with myself, for you are discounting yourself.

ESTER: I'm discounting myself?

ELIAS: Yes. You are elevating me and discounting you, and you are also
generating a hesitation for you are incorporating judgments with yourself
concerning the subject that you wish to be discussing. You are projecting that
to myself in anticipation that I shall judge you also or that I shall
incorporate disappointment with you.

ESTER: Yes, and I'm incorporating embarrassment, too.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

ESTER: But what is embarrassment, the feeling of embarrassment?

ELIAS: That is a discounting of yourself and an expression that involves your
concern of the other individual's perception of you. You are already
discounting of yourself, and you also incorporate a concern that the other
individual that you are engaging and interacting with will also be discounting
of you and that they shall incorporate that perception also. In this, the
embarrassment is associated with the discomfort of exposing. The discomfort of
exposing is associated with your judgment of yourself, but it is also
associated with your perception of the other individual and desiring their
approval.

ESTER: Oh, back to the approval thing, huh? Yes, I've been watching these
last few hours, since late yesterday, unfamiliarity. I think I'm enjoying that
word.

ELIAS: Exposure may be quite a challenging expression to move into.

Now; I shall, in this present now, express a suggestion, for I am quite aware
of your energy and how tightly you are holding to it and how you are unwilling
to be expressing that exposure in this now. In this present now, what you are
moving into quite quickly is overwhelming yourself.

Therefore, my suggestion is that we stop, and you allow yourself a time
framework to be evaluating this subject that you very much do wish to discuss
but you are not ready. In this, in this present now, it is not necessarily
beneficial to continue with this conversation. For I am aware that you are not
allowing my energy to penetrate, and therefore, whatever I offer to you is not
being received and therefore not necessarily a benefit.

My suggestion is that we discontinue this conversation in this now and to
continue in another time framework in which you may allow yourself to relax
more and to trust yourself. If you may not trust yourself, perhaps you can
allow yourself to move into a trust of me. I shall in the interim time
framework be offering my energy to you in helpfulness and in supportiveness
that you may allow yourself to trust that you may engage conversation with
myself in friendship and I shall not be expressing judgment of you. Are we
agreed?

ESTER: (Emotionally) I'm having a hard time with that one, but... Wow.

ELIAS: It is not a discounting of you; it is an allowance of you. This now is
an opportunity for you to actually engage evaluating and appreciating yourself
and allowance of yourself - not to be judging yourself. And I shall engage
conversation with you quite soon, but with less tension. Agreed? (Pause)

ESTER: (Emotionally) I'm feeling very...

ELIAS: (Kindly) Be gentle with yourself, my friend, and accept my energy of
gentleness with you.

ESTER: Thank you. That's why I'm having a hard time (inaudible).

ELIAS: I offer to you tremendous love and a calm energy to be helpful and
encouraging of your own gentleness and calm within yourself. We shall engage
conversation again. In genuine friendship and in genuine love to you, I
express au revoir.

[Uplift]

I like it. It seems ridiculous to me, absolutely ludicrous, that in our society it is conditioned as acceptable to celebrate, and encouraged to say regularly and openly, 'What a beautiful tree,' or 'look at that awesome tiger', or 'wow, what spectacular flowers', or 'you should have seen the amasing sunset I saw', or 'what a tenacious plant'. To appreciate nature and creation as a sign of growth. Yet, it is generally, seriously frowned upon and cringed at to say, 'Wow, how's this, look at me, my whatever is spectacular, I'm awesome, deluxe eh'!

[Dkm]

Excellent post, jdiddy.
Interestingly, I have never read this in any book, of using past memories to create change. Is this something you came up with or did you find the idea elsewhere and built on it?
Could you elaborate further on how to use it?

[cbreeze]

Jane Roberts' (Seth energy) book, 'The Nature of Personal Reality' has chapters on awakening/tapping into/changing/drawing in/re-creating by using your cellular memory which will always remain within, our computer mind command each cell which are individual but work as a team, therefore conforming with your command to tap into the archives of your cellular past. I've started telling mine to be a certain age (younger of course) and I expect it will and has. I notice it in my chin, jaw line, lifted cheeks. I believe it works, but, every age has it's beauty. I just prefer how I looked when I was in my late twenties, and if we can change it - why not?

[Enoch Tan]

A person may go to the gym and work out to build muscles. But it is not the actual physical working out itself that creates the strengthening and enlargement of muscles. It is the intent to build muscles along with the belief that working out physically will build it that makes it happen. If a person believes that his muscles grow easily and effortlessly, he can take less time and working out than others to build his muscles. If he believes that his muscles can’t seem to grow, his efforts will produce little results.

Anyone can attain the perfect body without working out, using special equipment or undergoing pointless dieting. The only workout you need is of your mind. Because it is your consciousness that creates your reality including your bodily aspect in it. When you have a consciousness of an imperfect body, health and physical functions, that is what you create. But when you have a consciousness of a perfect body, health and total physical wellness, that is what you create. The best way is the most simplified.

[jeff3]

Originally Posted by Enoch Tan

A person may go to the gym and work out to build muscles. But it is not the actual physical working out itself that creates the strengthening and enlargement of muscles. It is the intent to build muscles along with the belief that working out physically will build it that makes it happen. If a person believes that his muscles grow easily and effortlessly, he can take less time and working out than others to build his muscles. If he believes that his muscles can’t seem to grow, his efforts will produce little results.

Anyone can attain the perfect body without working out, using special equipment or undergoing pointless dieting. The only workout you need is of your mind. Because it is your consciousness that creates your reality including your bodily aspect in it. When you have a consciousness of an imperfect body, health and physical functions, that is what you create. But when you have a consciousness of a perfect body, health and total physical wellness, that is what you create. The best way is the most simplified.

You are confusing me a little, in another thread you said:

Originally Posted by Enoch Tan

Action is the means by which we experience the manifestation of our desires. We are the channels by which the process of manifestation occur through because the universe creates through us. It is a joy to be part of the manifestation process physically and seeing things happening through us as we watch ourselves create them. Taking physical action allows us to feel the joy of being a creator of reality as the work happens through our hands. That is why we are meant to enjoy the work of creating.

When you know the reason that manifestation in the physical universe happens through physical action is so that you can enjoy the experience of being physically part of the creation process, you will feel good about it and enthusiastically act out your dreams. Why would you want to avoid doing the work necessary for creating what you desire? You would love doing it because you want to be part of the process of manifestation. You want to be involved and immersed in the experience of creating reality.

I tend to go with the "mind creates" theory and that our beliefs about reality will dictate how that process unfolds. If you believe that the only way to do something is by hard work or action, then that will be your way . If you (really) believe that you can will something into existence, that will be your way.

[Enoch Tan]

Action does not create. Thought does.

Action is a means by which thought is brought into manifestation.

[Lil Chris]

Originally Posted by Enoch Tan

Action does not create. Thought does.

This statement seems correct

Action is a means by which thought is brought into manifestation.

This should really be:
Action is one of the means by which thought is brought into manifestation.

[cloudgal7]

What do you mean you can grow smaller? I understand that you can grow taller, but how can you grow smaller? Do you shrink and get a bad back and bad posture or do you literally become a small person? Please tell me. I'm very interested.

[SOUPinAtin]

Hi

Cbreeze- i am so unbelievably amazed at all this! How do you visualize? and what do u mean by, 'pretend'? i know it is hard to explain, but i have been reading about this sort of thing for years now, and am trying many ways to change our physical appearance.

Do you just 'think' you are thin?

Id be super pleased if you could explain your methods a little more, as it is of great interest to me!!!!!!!!!!!!

THANKYOU

[Protein]

amazing thread ! We are who we choose to be ! YouTube - will smith strong words from a great mind ( Will Smith, amazing actor and person)

[Lil Chris]

Originally Posted by Protein

amazing thread ! We are who we choose to be ! YouTube - will smith strong words from a great mind ( Will Smith, amazing actor and person)

Great find, thanks for sharing this...

[bmlyeryk]

about looking like someone else by specific features, how can i totally convince myself of this & eliminate doubts? how can i convince mysel.rf that those traits are MINE as already present?

[Lil Chris]

Originally Posted by bmlyeryk

about looking like someone else by specific features, how can i totally convince myself of this & eliminate doubts? how can i convince mysel.rf that those traits are MINE as already present?

You can start by telling yourself this:

I'm so happy and relieved NOW that (fill in this blank)!!!

[bmlyeryk]

yes ill do it

[muah]

Originally Posted by Lil Chris

You can start by telling yourself this:

I'm so happy and relieved NOW that (fill in this blank)!!!

Are you serious about it?

[bmlyeryk]

it matters the world to me!

[muah]

I'll collect all related stuff in a specialized forum. It's not a commercial place so please don't delete it. I'll link all the threads directly to this forum.

http://bodyalter.freeforums.org

[bmlyeryk]

you dont have to buy a course? this is self-stuff, right?

[muah]

Yes, it's a place for discussion about this current topic.

[rainhawk]

Hi everyone,

I found this place simply by surfing, my latest and more important interest is now focused on Quantuum phisics, more the applications than the theory, I'm Italian, living in Germany, happy to be here and to have the chance to learn more. I'm interested to apply everything is possible to expande my 3D-reality percepction.
Yes my parents messed me up, but that's history, by the way doesn't that happens to everyone on this planet?
I'm not shy, last two weeks I got my internet connection totally messed up and you know I'm not a comp. freak...hope is going to be ok in the future.

P.S. As you can understand I have not so many occasions to use your language, so if what I write is not grammatically correct please let me know, I'll do my best.
Wish you all a nice day

rainhawk