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Old 09-08-2007, 03:42 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Finally got to see the movie "The Secret" and some things bugged be about it.

First, "the secret" was revealed to the producer in a book she received but the name of the book is never mentioned or discussed. Why is she keeping this part of "the secret" a secret? Maybe the book doesn't even exist?

The boardrooms of all the successful corporations are filled with spiritually enlighten beings who know "the secret" and have been using it to make themselves rich at the common man's expense?

Rich people know "the secret" and poor people don't. Rich people, being more spiritually advanced, are therefore rich. Rich people don't want poor people to know "the secret". Poor people are poor because they don't know "the secret". If you are famous, you also know "the secret".

One "enlightened teacher" starts a sentence and another finishes it. I like to hear all of what someone has to say then listen to someone else. I get the feeling maybe the message was manipulated from a bunch of sound bites. Do all the teachers agree to the same exact message as it was presented? Doubtful but possible I guess.

It is never revealed how the "enlighten teachers" found out about "the secret". What board of directors of which major successful corporation did they come from?

There is this great underground conspiracy to keep "the secret" a secret? Just think of all the sorrow those greedy bastards could have prevented if they had only let the world know "their" secret.

I wonder if any of the "enlighten teachers" are available for lectures or seminars. Maybe they have written books or will be writing books. Will we ever hear from any of them again?

At least I learned why we worship movie stars and professional athletes. They must be spiritually superior to all of us because they are able to manifest both wealth AND fame. How much closer to being a god can you possibly get?

Our minds flitter from thing to thing and the universe is simply not smart enough to figure that out? It goes to work, full speed, on whatever happens to enter our minds for the moment? Too bad the Universe doesn't possess the intelligence to discern what it is we really want deep down in our souls and just concentrate on that.
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Old 09-08-2007, 05:10 PM   #2 (permalink)
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According to the web site for The Secret, the book that inspired the movie's producer is called "The Science of Getting Rich" by Wallace Wattles.

I also thought the movie was choppy and disjointed, probably because there was a lot of editing done after the first version was released:
Jerry & Esther's Statement on "The Secret" - Washington-Baltimore Abraham Hicks Meetup Group (Washington, DC) - Meetup.com
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Old 09-08-2007, 05:11 PM   #3 (permalink)
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These "Rich" people know the Secret, but they arn't spiritually enlighten, because they don't understand the Secret, they just know what to do to make life work.

They don't ever think that maybe other people don't understand this, they just assume they are too lazy to use it. Thats where the stereotype of Greedy evil bastard Fat Cat sat on pile of money laughing at poor peasents comes from...
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Old 09-08-2007, 05:52 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I couldn't get through the entire movie. The secret to the success of "The Secret" is that you can still make a name for yourself selling snake oil, even now when it would *seem* like people should know better (or at least know how to discern a documentary with plausible arguments and verifiable evidence from a lot of hype, unprovable claims, and nonsense).

Nothing about this supposed "secret" makes any sense, including the simple fact that the producer couldn't manifest a better film. If that is the best editing/production that the universe can offer then I'm going to be very hesitant to trust this universe with my dearest aspirations. ;p

I think that the basic permise behind LOA is a dangerous philosophy that shares blame and responsibility among victims of circumstance and human malice/error, while taking the moral responsibility off those people who cause pain and suffering in the world. The idea that victims of violent crime manifest their own suffering is a horrific notion that would render our justice system moot if everyone really bought into this BS. I am glad that most people are not so gullible and can recognize fact from fantasy.

In fact, in all of "the secret" nobody is talking about morals or ethics at all. It's all about getting more money or more of what you want from life. Modern hedonism, how cute. At least most traditional religions try to promote some notion of how to treat one another whereas this bunk just promotes spiritual get-abundant-quick schemes and leaves off at the bit about actually being a good person or living a "good life" (yes, I'm sure by many people's definitions that only includes looking out for yourself).

It's terrible that they would drag out the names of long-dead people and claim they all knew this "secret" (of course no one can prove either way so that's convenient) and yet they couldn't interview or speak with ONE NOTABLE grossly successful person (Bill Gates, George W Bush, Steve Jobs, Tom Hanks, someone fantastically rich, famous and well-honored/decorated for what they do... not a bunch of nobodies with a piddly couple mill in the bank). I feel sorry for people who would buy into "the secret" in this movie (and more than a little annoyed that people who are already desperate and unhappy with their lives would be taken in by this ridiculous scheme and encouraged to waste their efforts trying to manifest some supernatural law of attraction instead of making obvious and much-needed changes in their daily life choices).

The secret promotes the worst brand of self-help quackery and I'm really ashamed for the people who produced it. The secret to getting what you want out of life is figuring out what you want, figuring out how to get it, and then working a logical plan. There is nothing supernatural required and until enough significantly successful people says otherwise, I'm going to consider "the secret" lame, new-age religious propaganda.
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Old 09-08-2007, 09:36 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I agree the background story seemed totally made up.
The hidden cult-like people passing on the secret knowledge on parchment sheets and so on, wtf.
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I think that the basic permise behind LOA is a dangerous philosophy that shares blame and responsibility among victims of circumstance and human malice/error, while taking the moral responsibility off those people who cause pain and suffering in the world. The idea that victims of violent crime manifest their own suffering is a horrific notion that would render our justice system moot if everyone really bought into this BS. I am glad that most people are not so gullible and can recognize fact from fantasy.

In fact, in all of "the secret" nobody is talking about morals or ethics at all. It's all about getting more money or more of what you want from life. Modern hedonism, how cute. At least most traditional religions try to promote some notion of how to treat one another whereas this bunk just promotes spiritual get-abundant-quick schemes and leaves off at the bit about actually being a good person or living a "good life" (yes, I'm sure by many people's definitions that only includes looking out for yourself).


The secret promotes the worst brand of self-help quackery and I'm really ashamed for the people who produced it. The secret to getting what you want out of life is figuring out what you want, figuring out how to get it, and then working a logical plan. There is nothing supernatural required and until enough significantly successful people says otherwise, I'm going to consider "the secret" lame, new-age religious propaganda.
well, I'm glad you got that out of your system, feel better??

first, I'd like to talk about blame. Blame is an ego construct as is guilt and all the other negative human states of being. The entire reason for accepting responsiblility for our lives and circumstances is to cease the EGO judgments. The ego based mind, is completely negative and it is obsessed with DRAMA (victim,judge,savior) - it never stops, never shuts up, nor ceases its Mad little drama most of take for "Reality".

You speak of being a "Good Person" or leading a "Good Life", according to who's definition of "Good" - yours? The fact is that in reality, there is no good or bad, that is only in the dualistic reality of the ego mind.

What The Secret does so well is instill HOPE, which is a positive force for awakening. Sure, it uses the Ego's wants & needs to initially get peoples attention, but remember that The Secret wasn't made for those who are already "Enlightened" it is for those lost in the struggle and dispair of Ego based thinking. By opening up a window of light, love, and hope - and supplying just BASIC law of attraction info with no push to spirituality - it allows those who need it most access to this information.
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Old 09-09-2007, 09:02 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I think it's a great movie for those who are ready for it.

Of course, I actually read "The Science of Getting Rich" years before The Secret came out and was already practicing and having success with all that it teaches, so by the time The Secret came out I was excited that people will finally be exposed to something I found years ago. The reason it's good, in my opinion, is because in todays society most people are too fricken lazy to read a book, but they'll watch a DVD. The proof of that is simple - You can get "The Science of Getting Rich" for free in eBook format, or you can pay for "The Secret" on DVD which teaches just a small part of what The Science of Getting Rich teaches.

Anyway... I think the reason most poeople don't like The Secret is because it doesn't answer all the questions and it is usually the first time they've heard this type of material so they aren't ready for it. It's kind of like when Matrix Part 3 came out. I loved it. But most people left the theatre pissed off because every question about everything in life wasn't answered for them. People want all the answers spoon fed to them. That's the problem.

All The Secret was tryiing to do is open your minds to explore more. For example, the "secret book" in the beginning. If you look close enough you can see what the book is. Perhaps I saw it because I already have the book. But even if you can't see it, the website or a simple google search will tell you the answer. The problem is that most people are too lazy to go look for answers themselves.
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Furthermore, (adding to impaul99's answer)
Even if you we're told the answer, would you believe it (most likely not). You will still need to explore (for me, it's through trial and error) to learn to apply what you've seen or read. It's one thing to see or read something and another to understand what you've seen or read and even another to learn to apply what you've seen or read... This takes more mental effort than just relying on what you think you may already know. I would HIGHLY recommend "The science of getting rich" to anyone interested in learning this "certain way of thinking".

This world is evolving in human potentials. Personally I think this is the best time to be alive, I think the human race is arriving upon a new level of consciousness (disguised as the end of the world, sort of speak). This new level will bring all kinds of new abilities and ways of thinking rarely seen before .
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The reason why I'm not going to critique Wabi-Sabi's and Kellyrued's critiques is that the same points have been extensively discussed in older threads on this forum. Wabi-Sabi, Kellyrued, if you're really interested, you can dig those up.

"The Secret" is a gross oversimplification, yes, and the real secret is a lot more complex and layered. But yeah, for mass commercial success, I guess you do have to take the approach of gross oversimplification, and throw in some hype and glitz and eye-catching graphics.

For WabiSabi and Kellyrued, I only want to say this - be very, very careful not to dismiss the real secret, simply because of the way "The Secret" has explained or discussed it. Because you'd be missing out on a lot.
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I think that the basic permise behind LOA is a dangerous philosophy that shares blame and responsibility among victims of circumstance and human malice/error, while taking the moral responsibility off those people who cause pain and suffering in the world.
This is one of the most easily-misunderstood points about LOA, and probably one of the most difficult points to explain in a mass-production, commercial DVD.
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I think the secret is a wonderful, utopian view of reality.

The poor people in africa are living in shaqs because they aren't aware of the secret? According to the secret, if they just believed they could become rich, they would. Apparently law of attraction is the secret to ending world poverty, but I'm not buying it. Rich, succesful people will all agree with the secret. People living horrible, mal-fortuned lives, will laugh at the idea. I know people that are incredibly happy, and positive, yet experience mal-fortunes on a daily basis.
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I think the secret is a wonderful, utopian view of reality.

The poor people in africa are living in shaqs because they aren't aware of the secret? According to the secret, if they just believed they could become rich, they would. Apparently law of attraction is the secret to ending world poverty, but I'm not buying it. Rich, succesful people will all agree with the secret. People living horrible, mal-fortuned lives, will laugh at the idea. I know people that are incredibly happy, and positive, yet experience mal-fortunes on a daily basis.
See what I mean? Major misunderstandings .... I see about seven or eight different ones in that one paragraph alone.

Here's one for you to chew on, Rosie. Knowing the secret is not the same as being able to apply it. That's because knowing that you should change certain thoughts is quite different from actually being able to change them. For example, you may have certain deeply ingrained repetitive patterns of thought that regularly cause you to stick a cigarette in your mouth. Or drink yourself silly. Or go into a blind panic when you see a little spider.

You may know that you should change those patterns of thought. But actually being able to change them is another question altogether. In fact you have such ingrained patterns of thought for all areas of your life. The bulk of them you will not even be conscious of, because, well, they are in your unconscious and subconscious. Refer to Sigmund Freud's iceberg model of human consciousness.

Point is that watching the DVD probably isn't going to allow you to transform your life overnight. You can't change those thoughts that you don't know you have, and even when you know what thoughts you have, you may not be able to change them anyway.

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I think the secret is a wonderful, utopian view of reality. The poor people in africa are living in shaqs because they aren't aware of the secret? According to the secret, if they just believed they could become rich, they would. Apparently law of attraction is the secret to ending world poverty, but I'm not buying it. Rich, succesful people will all agree with the secret. People living horrible, mal-fortuned lives, will laugh at the idea. I know people that are incredibly happy, and positive, yet experience mal-fortunes on a daily basis.
I believe in Steve's idea of subjective reality, and I take responsibility for everything in the world, including the state of Africa. Many people (including myself in the past) would think I was crazy for admitting this, but when I see something, I ask myself "why am I responsible for this?"

In Steve's article after the Virginia Tech shootings, he says this:
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When I started dabbling in subjective reality, at first it was overwhelming to consider that I could be creating everything in my reality, but after a while I understood how the subjective perspective pushed me to grow a lot more. My perspective has me assuming responsibility for everything in my experience. So I wouldn’t say the Virginia Tech shootings were anybody’s responsibility but my own. From my perspective I manifested the whole thing, and how I respond is my responsibility and my choice. I won’t go into great depth on this — that would require a whole other article — but I can easily interpret the Virginia Tech shooting as a dream in a way that’s meaningful for me. For example, the key numbers (age 19, 33 dead) are significant for me. At age 19 I made a decision to turn my life around while sitting in a jail cell (as explained in podcast #1), and at age 33 I launched StevePavlina.com. The shooting occurred at the tail end of a weekend Erin and I spent in Sedona, Arizona, which unearthed and eventually resolved a lot of internal conflict about certain upcoming decisions. I don’t see this event as tragic in any way. It doesn’t cause me to feel outrage, a desire to see people punished, a sense of addiction to the drama. It just is.
I had a similar experience. Only a few days before the Virginia Tech shootings, I was talking to someone who was retiring from teaching and concerned about what he would do in the future. I was trying to reassure him and I said "you know, maybe now is a good time to get out, since there may be a school shooting or something." And before that comment, I hadn't talked about school shootings for a couple of years.

Likewise, I take responsibility for the UN peacekeeping forces arriving in Darfur. I write down a list of goals for myself and also for the world and I meditate on these goals. Peace in Darfur was one of these goals.

People may say that this is confirmation bias or attribution bias or just a result of a variety of social factors, but I think it is an interesting way to interpret the world.
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I enjoyed "The Secret". Sure, it was a bit far-fetched, but it introduced me to LOA. And for that I say, "Mission accomplished!"
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Hello everyone!

This topic caught my eye because I was amused to find out that there was someone else disappointed by The Secret movie. I thought I was the only one. But, I do have my reasons a bit similar to what has already been said, but just wanted to give my two cents worth.

For me, ever since I was a little girl, as far as I can remember, The Secret was not a secret to me. I just had a sense of oneness with the universe and how the universe was abundantly full of every good thing I could imagine. I remember laying my lil' body down on my back in the back yard under my swing set...looking up at the blue sky and white patchy clouds and feeling the warmth of the earth and the tender grass that enveloped me with so much love. All while thinking to myself....I am so loved and feel so happy and whatever this is that I am feeling, I know I am well taken care of.

It wasn't until I was in my mid 20s or so when I read the book, "As A Man Thinketh" by James Allen and Orison Swett Marden, M.D. and I read the entire book in about two hours, couldn't put it down, because it explained how I felt and what experiences I had when I was a child, by allowing those happy, content and loving thoughts I was feeling to become who and what I wanted to be. Not to say I have always been vigilant at it, as I faulter way too many times that I care to remember.

But, that book is what opened me to a future of trying to get my thoughts into alignment of what I wanted to co-create with the universe to manifest in my life. After that book, I made it my mission to get my hands on every book or "cassette tape" (yes I am that old) so I could learn all I could possibly take in my head and apply it in my life the best I possibly could. So, I knew The Secret long before the CD and book was out. And, when I purchased the CD and went home and watched it, there were two thoughts. "This is it?! Wow, I was hoping that there would be a lot more to it than this."

The over indulgent drama, some of the visual graphics, blah blah blah, I just couldn't see how they fit in with the intent of the movie and all that sensationalism turned me off really. But, my personality is harsh on hungry sales people....if a sales person goes overboard with sensationalism, I refuse to buy the product, as I am the type to think that the product should be good enough to sell it's self and all I need is logical information and statistics to back up the sales person's claims to decide on purchasing a product.

Buuuuuuut theeeeeeeen, I put away my critical thinking and realized there was very good information in The Secret movie that would help the many of people out in this planet that are beginning to spiritually awaken and tired of living the negative life that they have been plagued with by their own co-creation of that muck in their lives. Plus, what's in The Secret Movie can serve me as a reminder of my beginnings when I start to get off the proven path to spiritual wellness. So, I just had to decide to focus on what good that movie offered me and just disregard the things I didn't like about it.

However, some people purchased The Secret book for my husband for his birthday. I have read it over and over and over again and I find the book eliminates what I don't like, so I can focus on what really matters to me. I suggest and yes there are those people who would rather have information spoon fed by visual media, rather than do something great with the brain and actually pick up a book and read....by the way, scientific evidence has proven with statistics, that reading does improve your mind and helps your memory to store information much more efficiently and permanently....but, I would suggest that everyone tries reading the book instead of the movie, or at the very least, before watching the movie.

Anyway, there were a couple of things that I saw that were mentioned that mirrored my own thoughts, but I can't remember them now. I just can't get myself to absolutely love The Secret movie or book, but I can't get myself to entirely hate it either. I just think The Secret serves it's purpose to everyone in one way or the other in a positive way, no matter how small or big it is, if a person chooses to think and feel positive about what they get out of it, be it may.

I will stop now...hope all is well and loved!
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Anyway, there were a couple of things that I saw that were mentioned that mirrored my own thoughts, but I can't remember them now. I just can't get myself to absolutely love The Secret movie or book, but I can't get myself to entirely hate it either. I just think The Secret serves it's purpose to everyone in one way or the other in a positive way, no matter how small or big it is, if a person chooses to think and feel positive about what they get out of it, be it may.

I will stop now...hope all is well and loved!
Here's how I see it. There are three types of people out there:

1) People who are not yet ready to be introduced to the Law of Attraction.
2) People who are ready to be introduced, and they are just waiting for something to come to them to explain how they feel, they just don't know it yet consciously.
3) People who are already using the Secret in their lives although they might not call it by that name.

The movie was made for people in category #2.

People in cat #1, won't like it, they'll think it's crap and wonder what all the hooplah is about.

People in cat #2 will like the movie, but will most likely feel a kind of "That's it? So how does this work exactly?" feeling. A % of them will look for answers by getting further resources. A % will be too lazy to get answers right now and will just ignore the movie for now. A % will be really pissed off that ALL the answers to EVERYTHING in life was not fed to them in the movie.

People in cat #3 will most likely like the movie at first but be somewhat disappointed by the lack of depth it goes into as far as explaining LoA. They will already know the basics and will be looking for more in depth answers, and most likely won't find them here. A % will continue looking for answers where they are most often hidden (books, intuition) and perhaps use the DVD to look into the works of the people interviewed in the movie. A % will get offended by the graphics and will hate the movie. A % will get excited about it's ability to simplify LoA and give the movie to all their friends.

THat's kind of how I see it.

I do know one thing. When I first read "The Science of Getting Rich" I was SO excited by the book I made like 10 copies of it (It's an eBook). I printed it and got it bound. I gave the copy to 10 of my friends and told them that it is the most profound book they will ever read. None of them read it past the first few chapters. Too lazy.



A few of them DID watch the secret though.
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Here's how I see it. There are three types of people out there:

1) People who are not yet ready to be introduced to the Law of Attraction.
2) People who are ready to be introduced, and they are just waiting for something to come to them to explain how they feel, they just don't know it yet consciously.
3) People who are already using the Secret in their lives although they might not call it by that name.

The movie was made for people in category #2.
Thanks for the categories! I'd only just begun to think about the various reactions to "The Secret" or the concept of LoA amongst people and that's because I either encounter group 1 or group 3.

I've been in group 3 most of my life but not actively. I always felt that things ultimately work out well for me. So when I've had things go badly, they really were some type of setup for things working out well.

I'd recently begun studying about LoA so when The Secret came out I wasn't all that anxious to read the book or see the movie. Like SilvermoonDancer, I am not much into hype! But the book showed up at the library which surprised me. I figured it would be on hold till the end of time or something and hadn't even bothered to check online and...there it was. I figured it was a sign!

I was a bit disappointed at what I felt was a mere skimming of the surface but then I thought, well, if it gets more people started along this way of thinking, that's great!

Since most people I meet are in group 3, I am amazed by how angry some of those in group 1 are. It's not just "oh, this isn't for me." or "isn't this just positive thinking repackaged?"

My guess is that the anger is based on the fact that at some level people don't want to take responsibility for the reality they created. It's so much easier to call LoA a "load of horsesh*t"
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Aaaaaaaaah, but you forgot Category #4....those that have known about LOA but didn't do a dang thing to seek out any resources in the past about it and when the CD came out they got all exited and bought it in hopes get that spoonfed medicine to cure all what ails them......but, had an issue with the part that clearly states that to see your intentions manfest that you must take responsibility for your thoughts....ya know, the ones that wanna skp over that small teensy weensy issue...and go straight to getting what they want in a negitve way and throwing a fit just because the Universe dared to listen and respond according to their dark little scheme....just to start over with the cycle of blaming everyone for not getting what they want. But, they keep the CD around and use the remote control to skip over the RESPONSIBILTY part and listen to what only suits them.

Oh great and almighty Universe, thank you for making me who I am! LOL Okay, guess that can come off a bit arrogant...but sheez, there are days that I get fed up to my nose with whiners and cry babies that don't wanna grow up and make life as good as they want because it's what responsible people do.

But, I did read "The Science Of Getting Rich" and I have to say, that was such an excellent book...left me feeling both goosebumps on my body and chills up my spine and got a bit misty eyed in a couple of areas....because, it helped to get me to deeper realize just how blessed I have been in life, and VERRRRRY grateful that my loving Universe has always cherished, nurtured, guided, protected and unconditionally loved me every single day of my life....and that I had a lifetime of just knowing in my spirit naturally how the mutal giving and receiving and bonding and all that other mushy stuff that has gone on between me and The Universe.

Oh yeah, the topic is about The Secret....yes, I will keep it as I said, it's a refresher course if I should get a bit stuck in a rut....and I use it to spur others on to learn how to live an abundantly wealthy, content and loving life!

I sure am sending out thoughts of great blessings to all of you today!
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but sheez, there are days that I get fed up to my nose with whiners and cry babies that don't wanna grow up and make life as good as they want because it's what responsible people do.
Just remember that *you* are creating/attracting them. They are reflecting something to you for a reason. Maybe to show you a life you left behind, maybe to show you something you're still working on, who knows. You are creating them for a reason.
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Ugh, where's that rock of mine so I can crawl under it and hide! LOL

Ahem, um, yeah, ya busted me....well, ya know I got to thinking about this lastnight already....because, when I wrote that cat#4 it sure left a irritation mood in me for a while...and I refected on it later on in the night...and figured out why I let myself trigger that emotion.

I was actually hoping nobody noticed, buuuuuuuut you just had to have your eyes wide open and a head full of wisdom now, didn't ya? LOL

Anyway, neither of my parents, who both have passed on now, were the irresponsible type, getting themselves into crap and never really did figure out how to not in the first place, and they were good at bitching and blaming someone and somthing else for all their woas.

So, I decided from early childhood and on, to pick up their slack and make sure things (housework, lunches made, et.) were done, just so there would be something less for them to bitch and whine about...peace was not resident in our homelife.

But, all I knew is that if I wanted peace, any peace at all, then I had to make it by doing things for them that would release some of the turmoil. At first this worked and my attitude from the beginning was okay about it and I enjoyed being a help to my parents.

But, after a while, I allowed myself to be uptight about it and start complaining about having to be the only one to keep things running smooth so that nobody would get upset if they weren't. And, I think that is when I developed the snippy attitude towards irresponsible people and worrying so much that if I don't get things done nobody will, and it has been a life full of it breathing negitivity down my back to this day.

That guy on The Secret movie, the one that got treated horrible by his co-workers and heckled while he was on stage as a comedian, he had to get to the point to change his attitude about his life...and actually create in him a better attitude, which the Universe heard and the people in his life started treating him better.

So, just like that guy, what I really need to start doing is seeing my part of how I am in life, the go get it done part of me, and just do it with a good attitude....and be grateful that I am able to do this...and be content that I am creating an organized and clean life that I enjoy...and let the Universe take care of the rest for me.

Wow....this is awesome....see, this is why I can't discount either The Secret movie or book, because of the things like that guy in the movie....that story line helped back up what had been started yesterday in this topic and it helped me to be ready to accept your honest opinion this morning.

Now, today and from this time foward...I have a better understanding of my past and it has sparked a desire to start new in an area that needs improvement.

Thank you for your honesty and thank you Universe for bringing me a lesson that will lead me to be content in this situation.
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Thank you for your honesty and thank you Universe for bringing me a lesson that will lead me to be content in this situation.
Isn't it great when you take back your power by taking 100% responsibility for EVERYTHING in your life? And I mean EVERYTHING.
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Isn't it great when you take back your power by taking 100% responsibility for EVERYTHING in your life? And I mean EVERYTHING.
YES! It tis great!!!!!!! Yahoo, I feel so empowered now!

Have a good weekend! lol
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I watched the secret about a year ago and besides the fact that it seems a little bit amateurish I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it because it wasn't a slick Hollywood production featuring one of todays popular screen stars.

Whatever positive or negative things one derives from The Secret is purely personal. The basic premise of The Secret has been around since people have been recording their thoughts. Do I think you create your own reality? I sure do! I belive that your life and the way it is now is a direct result of the way you think. If you don't belive that you create, then that's how you will live your life. Of course, it's not that simple; unless it is.
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Do I think you create your own reality? I sure do! I belive that your life and the way it is now is a direct result of the way you think. If you don't belive that you create, then that's how you will live your life. Of course, it's not that simple; unless it is.
Very profound... It's just that simple, think about it...

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I found that the secret was good for positive thinking, bad for marketing, I mean the guy that visualises carpark spaces? oh dear!
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I saw "The Secret" today and I was very dissapointed. The basic idea of "The Secret" is no secret at all. We all know if we are passionate and desire something, we will focus most of our attention towards achieving whatever our desired goals are.

Yet this movie goes the spiritual route and claims that these desired goals manifest themselves due to your excessive wishful thinking, which somehow causes the universe to bring your desires to you. I find it to be ridiculous, and I don't know why any sane person would take the movie seriously. Also, there were a few examples that didn't even make sense. One man said he wished for checks to come in the mail, and then a few weeks later it just happened. Wow, great explanation on that one. The lack of depth and explanation for the examples in this movie was staggering.

I felt like the whole concept of "The Secret" could be explained in less than 5 minutes. Yet they just dragged the movie on by giving examples that are all from the same principle.

Finally, the movie was just poorly made. Although this movie inspired me to write an article on my blog explaining why wishful thinking alone (which is mostly what the movie promotes) will get you nowhere.
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I find it to be ridiculous, and I don't know why any sane person would take the movie seriously.
Heheheh. Hehehe. Hahahaahaaa.

Ahh, Adam. Never mind.
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Heheheh. Hehehe. Hahahaahaaa.

Ahh, Adam. Never mind.
I understand the Law of Attraction. I just don't believe in the spiritual aspect of it. Sorry, but that's just my belief. I think the reason you can improve your life through the law of attraction is because you focus so much on your desired goal, that you will be inspired to find ways of achieving your desired goal (not because the universe is responding to your wish). That's why I find it ridiculous that anyone would believe some of the things the movie talks about, such as the guy "wishing" for a parking space and then suddenly he gets a parking space. Or the man who wishes for checks to come in the mail, and then they just do.

Only in some parts of the movie do they actually say "I wished for this, but then actually did this and my goals came into frution". However instead of focusing on how the person actually did something to achieve his goals, they just focused on how he wished for goals to come about.
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A good test is to try and influence something that is out of your direct control such as the increase in a stock price or a peaceful resolution to the Iraq War. (Make sure that whatever you want to happen is something positive and for the highest good of all).

Here are some good places to start:

Cause-Effect vs. Intention Manifestation:
http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...manifestation/

How to Write Down Your Goals:
Mr Wang Says So: How to Write Down Your Goals

Steve's Intention Manifestation Posts:
http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/cat...manifestation/

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This is a process with a high upside and low downside risk. If it works, your life will positively improve at an unimaginable rate. If it doesn't work, you'll be slightly disappointed and can go back to working hard.
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I should also note that I don't know everything about the Law of Attraction. I've experienced some synchronicities, but I'm still trying to troubleshoot my thinking. The fact that I don't currently have everything I want means my knowledge is flawed in some way.

People can get everything they want if they only know the right steps to take. The Law of Attraction seems like a promising step in that direction, but I'm open to other ways also.

When I started experiencing synchronicities, first I thought it was the reticular activating system, but then I started experiencing interesting things:

Things like:
1. I intend for peacekeepers to go into Darfur and it happens the next day after three years of the genocide going on with no UN intervention.
2. I was working for a company that was valued at $100 million. I write down that I want it to be valued at $1 billion the next year. A year later, it's acquired and if it was spun off it would probably be worth $1 billion.
3. I read about Lil Chris' experiences (he's another poster on this board) about how he wanted to see a Ferrari after never seeing one in his hometown. I think it would be a cool experiment, so I intend it. The next day, I read in the paper that the Ferrari club is having a show in my town.

Either I'm very intuitive, or the LoA works!
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