Changing Physical Body

[boat]

Just wondering -

anyone here have success with changing the physical body? Anything from healing a supposedly "incurable" disease to changing eye color, growing taller, growing more hair, etc.

Do you believe it's possible?

[Lil Chris]

I tend to think that in a world of "anythings possible" you question would fall under that catagory... That it is possible...

Now, having said that... have i been successful, not yet. But i believe this is because of me and my limited understanding, not that it is impossible...

[impaul99]

I have heard of examples where people had their vision "cured" instantly, but I haven't been able to manifest such things myself yet.

Our beliefs in our body's workings are so strong that it definitely would not be a beginners choice for playing around with LoA.

I do know a guy who was told as a teenager that he will need to get glasses when he turns 40. It freaked him out as a kid as he saw other kids with glasses being made fun of. He told the story to people many times over the years of how he used to get scared of getting glasses when he was a kid.

He kinda joked at "Watch, my vision is totally fine and then I'm gonna turn 40 and my eyesight is going to go!"

Guess what happened when he turned 40? Lol. He now wears farsighted glasses which he got at age 40.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by boat

Just wondering -

anyone here have success with changing the physical body? Anything from healing a supposedly "incurable" disease to changing eye color, growing taller, growing more hair, etc.

Do you believe it's possible?

There are documented cases of MPD (Multiple Personality Disorder) where patient changed the following aspects of themselves from one personality to the other: high blood pressure, eye color and even diabetes...

Those are cases that I have heard of... there might be others though...
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[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by boat

Just wondering -

anyone here have success with changing the physical body? Anything from healing a supposedly "incurable" disease to changing eye color, growing taller, growing more hair, etc.

Do you believe it's possible?

Sure. All of us change our bodies all the time with our thoughts. Depending on the thoughts, the changes may or may not be positive.

For many people, it is relatively easy enough to think thoughts that:

(a) raise your blood pressure;
(b) slow your heartbeat;
(c) cause an erection;
(d) make goosebumps appear on your skin

Etc etc. And if you google around, you'll find many more interesting examples of how thoughts affect the physical body. There is for instance a Harvard study which demonstrates how patients with broken bones or flesh wounds are hypnotised with "healing thoughts" heal much more rapidly than patients who aren't.

A variety of skin conditions are also well-known to be treatable with hypnosis eg eczema and psoriasis. There are also some studies about how visualisation of imaginary gym workouts will lead to increased bicep strength.

[RT Wolf]

I remember once putting an intention for my vision to get better (I wear farsighted glasses, -4 in each eye). Shortly afterwards, I notice my vision as being better, and my glasses hurt my eyes a little bit. I was really kinda freaked out by that, so my vision just returned to normal by the afternoon. Haven't tried it since cause of something amusingly childish about comfort zones and being ready for it.

Anecdotal? Yes. But its part of a growing body of anecdotes which are convincing me about LoA.

I do intend my body to return to its natural state of perfection, though, especially my skin around the chestal area.

[jdiddy]

Originally Posted by boat

Just wondering -

anyone here have success with changing the physical body? Anything from healing a supposedly "incurable" disease to changing eye color, growing taller, growing more hair, etc.

Do you believe it's possible?

Yes, this is absolutely possible, I do it all the time. You might be interested in shamanism, the concept of waking reality being a dream is heavily tied to the ability to heal and change the outer world.

An easy (and useful!) way to test this out is when you injure yourself. What you need to do is replay the event either physically or, my preferred method, in your mind, changing the ending so that you don't injure yourself. So
for example, the other day I gashed my thumb pretty good with a knife while cutting an apple. Immediately I ignored the injury, dismissed the thought and repeated the cutting action several times (being sure to keep my thumb out the way), and remembered visually in my mind the event occurring with a different ending (without being cut). This accomplishes a few things: it takes your mind off of what just happened, and replaces the memory of the injury with a different memory, that of not being injured. As a result, I completely forgot that I was cut (until I was attempting to remember an example just now), and the wound completely healed within an hour.

It's all about recreating reality in the way that you want it. It's hard, because in order to do this you have to make a mental break with the present as you are observing it, and remember the past *differently*. In effect you are scrapping your short-term (and long-term) memory, replacing it with the memory which you want to have. When the memory you want to have is more real than the memory that you have now, your present reality will shift into alignment with it.

I use this technique all the time with pretty amazing effect. I've used it to "heal" cuts, sprains, bruises, kill infections, regrow hair, etc, etc. Nothing too major has ever been wrong with me, so I can't comment as to it's efficacy on "bigger" problems, but I see no reason why it wouldn't work on anything.

[Lil Chris]

jdiddy,
Do you know of any good resources on shamanism...?

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by jdiddy

and the wound completely healed within an hour.

How about you go on TV and do that... you'll be famous within an hour... and could make millions within a year...

If you want, I'll arrange the whole thing...

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[jdiddy]

Originally Posted by Lil Chris

jdiddy,
Do you know of any good resources on shamanism...?

"Urban Shaman" by Serge Kahili (sp?) is a good book on the topic... is available on Amazon and is where I learned the technique from. Like anything else I doubt it works if you have no faith in the process, but if you have successfully used LOA in the past you probably have plenty of foundation to use it use it effectively.

[jdiddy]

Originally Posted by Shamou

How about you go on TV and do that... you'll be famous within an hour... and could make millions within a year...

If you want, I'll arrange the whole thing...

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No thank you, there are many ways of making millions without joining the circus

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by jdiddy

No thank you, there are many ways of making millions without joining the circus

Nice cop out...

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[jdiddy]

Originally Posted by Shamou

Nice cop out...

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You got me, my cover is blown... I really only post here to waste time and lower the signal to noise ratio.

[Lil Chris]

Originally Posted by Shamou

Nice cop out...

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Seriuosly, would you really want that kind of attention anyway...

But then again, if it can't be done without massive action... It can't be done.


Thanks jdiddy,
I believe in shaminism and their many interesting abilities, I've read a little in the past, but possibly wasn't ready at the time... Also, I've had experiences that are similarly described in what I've read, and quite beyond explanation, so i want to revisit it...

[impaul99]

JDiddy, thanks for the post. Awesome. It kind of embraces a theory I have, (well it's not mine, lots of others talk about it), that one of the reasons we are not able to "see" miracles happening in our lives every day is because our experience of "memory" keeps them from being seen.

Meaning, lets say that I walk into a room and nobody else is there. I cut myself by accident, but nobody sees it. Then, on the way home lets say that I get into a car accident which doesn't cause any extranal damage (no cuts, no bruises) but it does wipe my short term memory of the day. I have this suspicion that i would wake up in the hospital and I would not have a cut on my arm anymore, but I wouldn't even be aware of the fact that a miracle happened because as far as I'm concerned there was no cut. Does that make sense?

In short, another way of looking at it is that we all to some degree have a running belief that says "PHYSICAL REALITY EXISTS, IT IS REAL". And that belief has an energy strength of 10,000,000 GiggaWatts ( ). So when we intend to create a miracle of any sort, that miracle has to transpire in such a way as to not break that first belief. So for example, if we create a situation that is clearly a "miracle" we also create a simultaneous "explanation" for what happened so that it doesn't "Break Reality" for us.

Ever have a dream in which a physical law of the universe breaks? Ie. you jump off a building and fly? What happens then? Don't you normally realize "Wait a minute, that's impossible, this must be a dream!" and then you wake up, right?

Well, I think that's what most of us fear is "waking up", but we also like "miracles" so the way we create them is by making up an explanation for anything that would break our reality.

Therefore, even if you did go on TV and you demonstrated this power, you wouldn't make millions because nobody who is not ready to see such a thing would be tuned in. Even if they were tuned in they would think it's "fake" etc. You can't force feed someone a belief you have on reality that would break his/her reality. This is why the illusion of reality is lasting this long.

The only way to "break it" is to experiment with it yourself. It will never be shown to you externally coming in... it has to be show to you internally. Hard to explain, but I think some of you know what I mean.

Does the book have any ideas on correcting vision?

[jdiddy]

Originally Posted by impaul99

In short, another way of looking at it is that we all to some degree have a running belief that says "PHYSICAL REALITY EXISTS, IT IS REAL". And that belief has an energy strength of 10,000,000 GiggaWatts ( ). So when we intend to create a miracle of any sort, that miracle has to transpire in such a way as to not break that first belief. So for example, if we create a situation that is clearly a "miracle" we also create a simultaneous "explanation" for what happened so that it doesn't "Break Reality" for us.

Yes, thank you for explaining what I was trying to say more clearly than I did I believe that physical reality HAS to jive with our beliefs. If you believe in cause and effect, then reality must behave accordingly. Basically, if you can alter the cause, then you can alter the effect.

There's a VERY interesting book I'm reading right now called "The Intention Experiment" (which I highly recommend to anyone interested in IM/LOA, it is by FAR the best book I've ever read on it from a scientific perspective). In it, they talk about many scientific (double-blind, controlled, etc) studies which I have never heard of before. Anyway, one of the more interesting topics they touch on concerns the non-linear relationship of intentions and time. What they found was that it was just as effective to pray (this particular study's form of intention) for an event which happened in the past as it was to intend against an event happening in the present or future. In other words, intending in the past can influence the present and future, which is what I believe is happening here.

On an interesting side note, I find that the more I understand about this sort of thing the better I become at intending. I think it's because as I gain a better understanding of how it works, and particularly *why my previously held beliefs about reality are WRONG*, my resistance to seemingly impossible events drops, allowing the outcomes to manifest themselves much more easily.

Originally Posted by impaul99

Well, I think that's what most of us fear is "waking up", but we also like "miracles" so the way we create them is by making up an explanation for anything that would break our reality.

I have experienced this fear of waking up, in fact there was one time when it felt like it was about to happen. It was the scariest/most vivid event I have ever experienced. I'm not sure I'm ready for it yet, nor am I sure I really want to wake up yet. It feels like there's a lot I have to do here yet.

Originally Posted by impaul99

Does the book have any ideas on correcting vision?

Don't recall anything specifically pertaining to vision, but there is an entire chapter on healing which is pretty good.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by jdiddy

There's a VERY interesting book I'm reading right now called "The Intention Experiment" (which I highly recommend to anyone interested in IM/LOA, it is by FAR the best book I've ever read on it from a scientific perspective). In it, they talk about many scientific (double-blind, controlled, etc) studies which I have never heard of before. Anyway, one of the more interesting topics they touch on concerns the non-linear relationship of intentions and time. What they found was that it was just as effective to pray (this particular study's form of intention) for an event which happened in the past as it was to intend against an event happening in the present or future. In other words, intending in the past can influence the present and future, which is what I believe is happening here.

That's awesome. I have that book but I bought it at the same time with a bunch of other books and I've "misplaced" it. I'll find it and read it. Also, that whole time thing is another thing I was thinking about as well! That's awesome. I kind of see this moment in time right now as the only "real" thing. Everything else is LoA "manipulatable". The thing is that when you manipulate the past, you never even know that you manipulated it because your memories get changed along with it. So for example, lets say I was in a wheelchair right now and I finally got to the point where I can set an intention strong enough to influence the past and not make me be in that accident that put me in this wheelchair....and then.... POOF, the past changes, and I sit here thinking "What wheelchair?"

Anyway, I'll check out that book, but I definitely see how even time can be manipulater with this stuff. A little bit harder to prove.

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by RT Wolf

I remember once putting an intention for my vision to get better (I wear farsighted glasses, -4 in each eye). Shortly afterwards, I notice my vision as being better, and my glasses hurt my eyes a little bit. I was really kinda freaked out by that, so my vision just returned to normal by the afternoon. Haven't tried it since cause of something amusingly childish about comfort zones and being ready for it.

Anecdotal? Yes. But its part of a growing body of anecdotes which are convincing me about LoA.

I do intend my body to return to its natural state of perfection, though, especially my skin around the chestal area.

Comfort zones play a large part in our power over that which surrounds us. In my experience, there is something unconsciously terrifying about having actual power. I have had similar experiences with improving my vision and it freaked me out too.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Lil Chris

Seriuosly, would you really want that kind of attention anyway...

I honestly don't need or want attention... but I do like to express my opinion...

But then again, if it can't be done without massive action... It can't be done.

It depends on what you want to do... as an example, making coffee does not require massive action... but climbing Everest, making a million dollars or trying to make this planet a better world for all does...

Newton's First Law of Motion says that, "An object at rest tends to stay at rest and an object in motion tends to stay in motion with the same speed and in the same direction..."

Which is to mean that if you want to change something... you must exert or apply force... and that force has to be proportional to the mass that you want to move...

There are no miracle in the Universe... everything is action reaction... and, until that is understood... one lives in a fantasy world...

Does that mean that I don't believe in LoA... NO... what it does mean is that I believe that LoA works through our RAS (Reticular Activating System.) And, if you want to know how that works... I'll be more than happy to explain it to you...
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[jdiddy]

Originally Posted by Shamou

Newton's First Law of Motion says that, "An object at rest tends to stay at rest and an object in motion tends to stay in motion with the same speed and in the same direction..."

Newton only explains how the world works on large scales, that is generally accepted knowledge. This feels like an aside, but on very small scales Newtonian physics fall apart.

Originally Posted by Shamou

Does that mean that I don't believe in LoA... NO... what it does mean is that I believe that LoA works through our RAS (Reticular Activating System.) And, if you want to know how that works... I'll be more than happy to explain it to you...
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I think we will have to agree to disagree on this. However, I suggest you read up on quantum entanglement and nonlocality. Although it is very much up for debate, cause and effect is nowhere near as cut & dried as you make it out to be.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Shamou

Does that mean that I don't believe in LoA... NO... what it does mean is that I believe that LoA works through our RAS (Reticular Activating System.) And, if you want to know how that works... I'll be more than happy to explain it to you...
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Yeah, but have you personally tested this yourself from your own experience by taking action? Or did you just think of this theory in your head and are too lazy to experiment? Because I certainly know what RAS is and how it works. It's a fairly well known concept in the Pers. Dev. world and I understand it's implications and how it works. However, when I learned about LoA I was just as skeptical as you, but I didn't just talk about how it doesn't work, I actually tried it.

It's when you actually TRY IT that you EXPERIENCE it and then you can speak from that experience. Until you actually experiment with it yourself, you'll just keep thinking "What are all these stupid people talking about? There is no miracles here! It's just their Reticular Activating System, duh!"

Don't you think that smart people like Steve Pavlina, Acting Like Godot (He's a lawyer), and Oprah and the other millions out there using it could be onto something here besides RAS?

You should ask yourself what thing would you need to manifest in your life in order for you to be able to say, without a shadow of DOUBT, that LoA works, that it's not just RAS. Like what would need to happen? Would you need to write down a specific amount of money to the nearest penny and have that exact specific amount flow into your life in a given timeframe (not a penny more, not a penny less), or what would it take to "prove" to yourself that this is not just RAS?

Dude, I've read over 500 books on self help. I have every product out by Tony Robbins. I am very successful at what I do. Look at Steve and all of his success. Look at his level of Intellect. Look at all these other people who believe in this stuff. Do you really think that we weren't once thinking EXACTLY the same thoughts you are thinking?

You think we just read a book on LoA and said to ourselves "Oh cool, this is neat. I think I'll believe this?" No dude. It was a process of harsh turmoil and probing, asking questions, experimenting, failing, succeeding, laughing, sometimes even crying at what this all means. Do you know how many implications are connected to the fact that LoA exists for us? Do you realize that it completely changes everything we have learned since childhood about our lives? You have no clue. You've never driven down the street looking at a cloud and really seriously wondered if you were creating that specific cloud right that very instant. I have. LoA is not RAS. I'd say "trust me", but you won't no matter what I say, so really the only way you could ever know for sure is if you stop with your assumptions and actually experiment with it.

Or you don't have to. But I didn't want to be lying on my deathbed one day wondering if that LoA thing actually works. I decided to experiment and PROVE to myself once and for all whether it works or not. Anyways...best of luck.

[Lil Chris]

Originally Posted by Shamou

I honestly don't need or want attention... but I do like to express my opinion...

That's ok...

Originally Posted by Shamou

There are no miracle in the Universe... everything is action reaction... and, until that is understood... one lives in a fantasy world...

Understood...? By whom...?
We all live in the fantasy world... Which is held together by our individual personal beliefs. Thus my beliefs may or may not fit into your system, but that certainly doesn't make them wrong for me (only for you) because they don't fit what you believe hence you can't see them (yet) and vice versa. You'll only see what you believe... Change the belief and change what you see...

Originally Posted by Shamou

Does that mean that I don't believe in LoA... NO... what it does mean is that I believe that LoA works through our RAS (Reticular Activating System.) And, if you want to know how that works... I'll be more than happy to explain it to you...
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No... That's ok

Let's not even get started on quantum superposition

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by jdiddy

However, I suggest you read up on quantum entanglement and nonlocality.

I did give a quick glance... however, since you seem to be familiar with it... why don't you gave us a brief and simple explanation of quantum entanglement and nonlocality....
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[Shamou]

Originally Posted by impaul99

Dude, I've read over 500 books on self help. I have every product out by Tony Robbins.

I am a strong believer in intellectual honesty...
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[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Lil Chris

We all live in the fantasy world... Which is held together by our individual personal beliefs. Thus my beliefs may or may not fit into your system, but that certainly doesn't make them wrong for me (only for you) because they don't fit what you believe hence you can't see them (yet) and vice versa. You'll only see what you believe... Change the belief and change what you see...

No one could argue with that my friend...
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[Lil Chris]

I stumbled across this list of books dealing with shamanism, thought i'd post it...

11. What recommended books are available on shamanism?
(Items denoted by * are currently in print.)

*1. 91-21838. Ashe, Geoffrey. Dawn behind the dawn: a search for
an earthly paradise. Geoffrey Ashe. 1st ed. New York: H. Holt,
1992. viii, 274 p. : ill., map ; 25 cm.
LC CALL NUMBER: BL311 .A74 1991
*2. Christman, Brian. Music & Trance in the Shamanic Universe. (Orig.)
Redwood Seed. 1993. 44p. pap.

3. 75-901516: Crookall, Robert, 1890- Ecstasy: the release of the
soul from the body. 1st ed. Moradabad: Darshana International,
1973. 163 p. ; 25 cm.
LC CALL NUMBER: BF1389.A7 C649
*4. 91-115619: Eliade, Mircea, 1907- Shamanism : archaic
techniques of ecstasy. London, England: Arkana, 1989. xxiii, 610 p.;
22 cm.
LC CALL NUMBER: BL2370.S5 E42
*5. 91-21073: Flaherty, Gloria, 1938- Shamanism and the
eighteenth century. Princeton, N.J.: Princeton University
Press, c1992. xv, 320 p. : ill.; 25 cm.
LC CALL NUMBER: BL2370.S5 F53 1992
6. 89-45567: Goodman, Felicitas D. Where the spirits ride the wind:
trance journeys and other ecstatic experiences. Bloomington: Indiana
University Press, c1990. xii, 242 p. : ill. ; 25 cm.
LC CALL NUMBER: BF1389.A7 G66 1990
*7. 82-132245: Grim, John. Reflections on shamanism: the tribal
healer and the technological trance. Chambersburg, PA: Published
for the American Teilhard Association for the Future of Man by;
Anima Books, c1981. 16 p. 23 cm.
LC CALL NUMBER: E98.R3 G74 1981
*8. 92-53905: Halifax, Joan. The fruitful darkness: reconnecting with
the body of the earth.1st ed. [San Francisco] : HarperSanFrancisco,
c1993. xxxi, 240 p. : ill. ; 21 cm.
LC CALL NUMBER: BL624 .H26 1993
*9. 81-67705: Halifax, Joan. Shaman, the wounded healer. New York:
Crossroad, c1982. 96 p.: ill. (some col.); 28 cm.
London: Thames & Hudson, 1982, 1987.
LC CALL NUMBER: BL2370.S5 H33 1982
*10. Harner, Michael J. Hallucinogens & Shamanism. Oxford University
Press, 1973.. xv, 200 p. illus. 22 cm.
LC CALL NUMBER: BL65.D7 H37
*11. 90-44703: Heinze, Ruth-Inge. Shamans of the 20th century; with
contributions by Charlotte Berney [et al.]. New York: Irvington,
1991. xx, 259 p. : ill. ; 23 cm.
LC CALL NUMBER: BL2370.S5 H418 1991
12. 90-175691: Hoppal, Mihaly and Sadovszky, Otto von, edited by.
Shamanism: past and present. Budapest: Ethnographic Institute,
Hungarian Academy of Sciences; Los Angeles: International Society
for Trans-Oceanic Research, 1989. 2 v.: ill.; 24 cm.
LC CALL NUMBER: BL2370.S5 S4915 1989
*13. 94-43549: International Conference on the Study of Shamanism
and Alternate Modes of Healing (11th: 1994: San Rafael, Calif.)
Proceedings of the Eleventh International Conference on the Study of
Shamanism and Alternate Modes of Healing: held at the Santa Sabina
Center, San Rafael, California, September 3 to 5, 1994/ Berkeley,
Calif. : Independent Scholars of Asia, c1994. p. cm.
LC CALL NUMBER: BL2370.S5 I55 1993
*14. 94-2722: International Conference on the Study of Shamanism and
Alternate Modes of Healing (10th : 1993: San Rafael, Calif.)
Proceedings of the Tenth International Conference on the Study of
Shamanism & Alternate Modes of Healing: held at the St. Sabina
Center, San Rafael, California, September 4 to 6, 1993; Berkeley:
Independent Scholars .of Asia, 1994. p. cm.
LC CALL NUMBER: BL2370.S5 I55 1993
*15. 92-47429: International Conference on the Study of Shamanism and
Alternate Modes of Healing (9th : 1992: San Rafael, Calif.) Proceedings
of the Ninth International Conference on the Study of Shamanism and
Alternate Modes of Healing: held at the St. Sabina Center, San Rafael,
California, September 5 to 7, 1992 / Berkeley, Calif. : Independent
Scholars of Asia, 1992. ix, 323 p. ; 23 cm.
LC CALL NUMBER: BL2370.S5 I55 1992
*16. 92-6776: International Conference on the Study of Shamanism
and Alternate Modes of Healing (8th : 1991: San Rafael, Calif.)
Proceedings of the Eighth International Conference on the Study
of Shamanism and Alternate Modes of Healing: held at the St.
Sabina Center, San Rafael, California, August 31 to September 2,
1991. [Berkeley] : Independent Scholars of Asia, c1991. vii,
354 p. : ill. ; 23 cm.
LC CALL NUMBER: BL2370.S5 I55 1991
*17. 92-50127: Kalweit, Holger. Shamans, healers, and medicine men.
1st ed. Boston : Shambhala, 1992. x, 299 p., [8] p. of plates: ill.;
23 cm.
LC CALL NUMBER: BL2370.S5 K35813 1992
*18. 87-28842: Kalweit, Holger. Dreamtime & inner space: the world of the
shaman / 1st ed. Boston : Shambhala Publications ; [New York, N.Y.] :
Random House [Distributor], 1988. xvi, 297 p. ; 23 cm.
LC CALL NUMBER: BL2370.S5 K3513 1988
*19. 95-20517: Lewis, I. M. Religion in context : cults and charisma/
2nd ed. New York : Cambridge University Press, c1996. p. cm.

*20. 86-40405: Nicholson, Shirley; compiled by. Shamanism: an
expanded view of reality edited by 1st ed. Wheaton, Ill., U.S.A.:
Theosophical Pub. House, 1987. xxiii, 295 p.; 21 cm.
LC CALL NUMBER: BL2370.S5 S48 1987
*21. 96-32504: Noel, Daniel C. The soul of shamanism: western fantasies,
imaginal realities/ New York : Continuum, c1997. p. cm.

*22. 95-24568: The Performance of healing / New York : Routledge,
1995. p. cm.

*23. 92-5415: Ripinsky-Naxon, Michael, 1944- The nature of
shamanism: substance and function of a religious metaphor.
Abany, N.Y. : State University of New York Press, c1993. xi, 289 p.:
ill. ; 24 cm.
LC CALL NUMBER: BL2370.S5 R52 1993
*24. 85-1107. Rouget, Gilbert. [Musique et la transe. English]
Music and trance: a theory of the relations between music and
possession. Gilbert Rouget ; translation from the French
revised by Brunhilde Biebuyck in collaboration with the author.
Chicago : University of Chicago Press, 1985 . xix, 395 p.:
ill ; 24 cm.
LC CALL NUMBER: ML3920 .R813 1985
*25. 92-46586: Sansonese, J. Nigro. The body of myth: mythology,
shamanic trance, and the sacred geography of the body. Rochester,
Vt.: Inner Traditions; [s.l.]: Distributed to the book trade in the
U.S. by International Distribution Corp., c1994. p. cm.
LC CALL NUMBER: BL313 .S326 1994
*26. 95-169033: Shamans and cultures. Budapest: Akademiai Kiado; Los
Angeles: International Society for Trans-Oceanic Research, 1993. xi,
301 p. : ill. ; 24 cm.
LC CALL NUMBER: GN475.8 .S47 1993
*27. ocm27-490807: Siikala, Anna-Leena. Studies on shamanism/
Helsinki: Finnish Anthropological Society; Budapest: Akademiai
Kiado, 1992. 230 p.: ill.; 24 cm.
LC CALL NUMBER: BL 2370 S5S66 1992
*28. 93-246913. Thorpe, S. A. Shamans, medicine men and traditional
healers: a comparative study of shamanism in Siberian Asia, Southern
Africa and North America. S.A. Thorpe. 1st ed. Pretoria: University
of South Africa, 1993. 146 p. ; 22 cm.
LC CALL NUMBER: BL2370.S5 T48 1993
*29. 86-31810: Villoldo, Alberto. Healing states. New York: Simon &
Schuster, 1987. xvi, 207 p., [8] p. of plates: ill.; 21 cm.
LC CALL NUMBER: RZ400 .V5 1987
*30. 94-72921: Vitebsky, Piers. The shaman. 1st American ed. Boston:
Little, Brown, c1995. 184 p.: ill. (some col.) ; 21 cm.
LC CALL NUMBER: GN475.8 .V57 1995
*31. 89-48642: Walsh, Roger N. The spirit of shamanism; Los Angeles:
J.P. Tarcher, 1990. p. cm.
LC CALL NUMBER: BL2370.S5.W35
32. Witchcraft and sorcery of the American native peoples / edited
by Deward E. Walker, Jr. ; preface by David Carrasco. Moscow,
Idaho : University of Idaho Press, c1989. xi, 346 p.: ill., maps;
26 cm.
LC CALL NUMBER: E59.R38 W58 1989

[jdiddy]

Originally Posted by Lil Chris

I stumbled across this list of books dealing with shamanism, thought i'd post it...

11. What recommended books are available on shamanism?

Here's the book I was referring to... not sure on the others, but I really liked this one. Covers a lot of ground in an easy to understand format, and specifically talks about healing (the type of healing that I was referring to in my earlier example).

Amazon.com: Urban Shaman: Books: Serge Kahili King

I found that book from a good Web site that I used to visit called HunaTrainer (www.hunatrainer.com). The site seems to have stagnated, but there's still a bunch of good material there.

[openeyes]

Originally Posted by boat

Just wondering -

anyone here have success with changing the physical body? Anything from healing a supposedly "incurable" disease to changing eye color, growing taller, growing more hair, etc.

Do you believe it's possible?

I actually managed to do much of that before I was even 20 years old, practically from the day I was born Eyes went from grey to blue, then brown and now hazel. Height shot up from 21.5 inches to 5 foot 9, and I have hair in all kinds of new places. Must be magic

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Shamou

I am a strong believer in intellectual honesty...
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I don't know what you mean by that? Are you saying I'm lying? Would you like me to take a picture of my bookshelves at home as well as a picture of all the Robbins stuff I have? If you'd like you can ask me about a specific product and I'll tell you exactly what it's about, or I can even tell you what's on page 10 of a specific manual or whatever. I'm not lying, several years back I actually went out and bought every product he had out. I've probably spend a good $30-$40k on personal development over the last 13 years.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Shamou

I am a strong believer in intellectual honesty...
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And if you think I'm lying about the 500 books part, I'm not. I counted how many I had at my old house and just the books on my shelf in my office added up to 340, plus a whole bunch scattered all around the house and lent out to friends. When I moved to my new house I put them all in boxes and it was well over 500. When I gave the boxes from my move to a friend because he's moving as well, him and his brother were laughing their ass of because they saw a box that said "PAUL BOOKS BOX #47".

In fact, when I asked people to help with the move, I had to make a deal with them that *I* have to move all my books. THey'll help with everything else, but I'm moving my own books. I really hope I never have to do that again. Books are fricken heavy. Magazines are even heavier I found out. I have something like 200-300 old collectible Magic magazines as well. Those were REALLY heavy.