when things go awry

[learningtogrow]

I've been working the last year on changing my life towards having a positive attitude ie. LOA. I've noticed people are nicer, I'm happier, I get better tips at work and on and on. Nothing major (finances) have manifested, but I feel it will.

However, this past weekend, it seems like I've been going in to work with the same attitude, but tips are beyond low, people aren't friendly etc...
Trying to work through what it could mean.

How am I creating this or should I just chalk it up to a strange occurence in my universe. How do others look at things that don't seem positive and how do you keep a positive attitude?

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by learningtogrow

How am I creating this or should I just chalk it up to a strange occurence in my universe.

Don't grow crazy with that "creating everything in my universe" stuff... our thoughts tend to influence what happens to us... but it's not casted in cement...

Things happen for no apparent reasons that we can see... but what does matter is the long term effect of our thoughts and not the isolated incidents...

The very best of luck to you...
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[learningtogrow]

Thanks Shamou! I think that's what I needed to hear.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by learningtogrow

I've been working the last year on changing my life towards having a positive attitude ie. LOA. I've noticed people are nicer, I'm happier, I get better tips at work and on and on. Nothing major (finances) have manifested, but I feel it will.

However, this past weekend, it seems like I've been going in to work with the same attitude, but tips are beyond low, people aren't friendly etc...
Trying to work through what it could mean.

How am I creating this or should I just chalk it up to a strange occurence in my universe. How do others look at things that don't seem positive and how do you keep a positive attitude?

Here's what I noticed in my life. I start applying LoA, things get better. However, I don't yet believe in LoA like I should - but I do enjoy the positivity. Then "something goes awry" and I get confused like you did. So then I react with a slightly peeved attitude, and things get even worse. Then, I calm down and go back to sending out positive LoA intentions and things come back to being good again, and then after a while something goes awry again, and one again I get pissed off.

Then, after a few times I start noticing a pattern. The things that went "awry" actually helped me out by:
(a) Providing contrast for what I *don't* want from life anymore so that I can get more clear on what I do want.
(b) I created for a reason, in almost every case to fuel further growth
(c) I created for a reason, to see how I react to the situation

So, for example, I might set an intention to be financially independent. That's great and I work on that - lets say it requires me to work on "stuff" after work to generate multiple sources of income to fuel my investments. Then, after a while I start getting "comfortable" and I start slacking on building my multiple sources of income because I have a primary source of income that keeps me "happy" for now. Then, "something goes awry" at work that clearly demonstrates to me things like (a) how insecure my job is, (b) how insecure my income is, or (c) how I'd prefer to be doing something else, or (d) how I'd like to be doing other stuff in addition to that job, etc.

For example, I used to work at a computer distributor and was "comfy" but wanted more. I was kinda lazy to get going on other stuff, and then I kind of created a series of events that almost got me fired (I got in big ****), and that all of a sudden made me realize that I can't rely on that source of income forever so I started working on other things. I started doing a much better job at work, while exploring different ventures, and eventually quit working there to pursue something else. A few years later the company went bankrupt.

So, perhaps one of the reasons you all of a sudden start getting low tips at your job is maybe now that you believe in LoA you're starting to think in terms of "Maybe I can attract a better job than this!" but you're too lazy to go looking because you're "comfy" at work, and so you create some "uncomfortableness" to get your ass in gear and start thinking about other routes?

Could that be an intention you set at some point? To find another job? Maybe you've outgrown your current position.

Shamou's advice is from a person who doesn't truly believe in LoA. He's giving you more practical advice from a "Personal Development Coach" type of point of view.

My intention in writing this reply was to give you a response from someone who does believe in LoA completely, meaning I believe I attract EVERYTHING in my life, including YOU asking this question, all the money I've attracted, everytime I've stubbed my toe, etc. etc. All the "good stuff" and all the "bad stuff".

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by impaul99

Shamou's advice is from a person who doesn't truly believe in LoA. He's giving you more practical advice from a "Personal Development Coach" type of point of view.

You are correct in stating that... I give "practical" advise...

Those practical advices are the ones being used by the movers and shakers of this world... the Donald Trump, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Tony Robbins, professional athletes and captains of industries... et all...

Not a bad crowd to emulate and learn from...
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[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Shamou

You are correct in stating that... I give "practical" advise...

Those practical advices are the ones being used by the movers and shakers of this world... the Donald Trump, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Tony Robbins, professional athletes and captains of industries... et all...

Not a bad crowd to emulate and learn from...
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Yup. To be honest Shamou, when I first started reading your posts on this forum you irritated the **** out of me. Why? Because you have such a conservative personal development point of view based only on "facts" and non-LoA type thinking.

I used to think that way up until 2003, and I did have some success in life up to that point because I was a fanatic for personal development, productivity, efficiency etc. I owned and was running a multi-million dollar/year in sales technology company at the time. Then my life changed in 2003 when I discovered a book called "The Science of Getting Rich", which is the book "The Secret" is based on. That book totally changed my life. I actually sold my company that same year. I started "experimenting" with Law of Attraction and all this "spiritual stuff" trying to see if I could find a way to prove to myself that it worked.

I'm a very logical person, very analytical, and consider myself very intelligent. That is why I needed to see "proof" before I would believe in this "hocus pocus" stuff. The next 3-6 months of my life after finding that book were very transformational to me and lets just says I "proved it to myself."

Since then I've been using LoA to attract wealth, instead of Personal Development Tactics, but I still very much read a tonne of PD material.

Here's the kicker that really made me open my eyes. All this time I was thinking that Tony Robbins was all about "non spiritual" stuff, as in he didn't use stuff like Law of Attraction in his work, that it was all "down to earth practical stuff". That's why I kind of stayed away from it for a while, instead focusing more on "spritiual" authors like Deepak Chopra, Wayne Dyer, Eckhart Tolle, etc.

HOWEVER, once I really got the grasp of LoA and how it works over the next 4 years of my life or so, I recently went back to the original authors like Tony Robbins. To my amazement, all of his stuff IS all about LoA! You just need to "hear" what he's saying. I then attracted an interview with Tony Robbins from the creators of "Enlightenment Magazine" who further drove that point home. They asked Tony a bunch of questions and he totally admitted that he teaches all this stuff, except that early in his career he realized that the "common man" doesn't want to hear stuff that's "spiritual" because everyone equates spirituality with religion and for him to connect with millions of people on earth from all walks of life, from all religions he KNEW that he had to change the vocabulary to "de-spiritualize" it to the point where people would not be biased against it.

So, he talks about in the interview about how he changed words like "ego" to words like "fear" in his work, etc.

Anyway, what my point in all this is that I used to think exactly like you, and then my life changed. What bugged me about your points of view is that they are based on my "old way of thinking". But then I realized that it is awesome to have someone like you around because you're successful in your own life, much as I am, but you're following that "other path" that I used to be on. So now I can see a contrast between my old thinking and my new thinking.

It's cool to see the contrast between our views because I know you're totally convinced that your thinking is totally logical and everyone who's successful out there (like T.Robbins, Donald Trump, etc.) agrees with you, and I'm totally convinced that MY thinking is totally logical and everyone out there (Tony Robbins, Oprah, etc.) agrees with me!

It's so funny that when you see Tony's work, you see "practical non-loa stuff" and I see "loa stuff".

Anyways, it's really good to have you here for the contrasting opinion.

[cylon]

Originally Posted by impaul99

... I kind of created a series of events that almost got me fired (I got in big ****),....now that you believe in LoA you're starting to think in terms of "Maybe I can attract a better job than this!" but you're too lazy to go looking because you're "comfy" at work, and so you create some "uncomfortableness" to get your ass in gear and start thinking about other routes?

Could that be an intention you set at some point? To find another job? Maybe you've outgrown your current position.

Hey that's me!

This just happened to me. I have outgrown my job, and have been frustrated, because I want more. Then a series of events have transpired (I lost my temper a few times) and now, even though the job is secure, I can't in good conscience stay there, and still keep my integrity.

But instead of freaking out, I already know, a much better job is already mine. I'm not going to worry about it, I'm just going to take the steps in the moment I need to.

You say you started doing much better at that older job though. Even though I have a lot of resentment, I should focus on doing my best, wherever I am and whatever the circumstances are, because in that way I am not putting roadblocks to my intentions by staying upset and angry, just to accept the situation as it is, something I have created in order to get myself into the next stage of my life.

So maybe I manifested your post to show that I'm on the right track, since it's word for word what I'm going through.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by impaul99

Anyways, it's really good to have you here for the contrasting opinion.

You forgot to mention that I'm good to stir the pot also...

I can appreciate where you are at... and that's it's working for you... same for Acting Like Godot... it's also working for him...

However, what bothers me is the effect that a fundamentalist view of LoA has on the neophytes who are led to believe that they have suddenly found the secret formula to success and happiness without ever lifting a finger...

I was fortunate enough to belong to an organization of very successful chiropractors... they all practiced LoA though it was called Teleology... there were over a thousand of us... and though we all used LoA... we also worked out butts off...

As I said many times before... people dance to the tune of different drummers... so, keep on drumming my friend... and so shall I...
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[impaul99]

Originally Posted by cylon

Hey that's me!

This just happened to me. I have outgrown my job, and have been frustrated, because I want more. Then a series of events have transpired (I lost my temper a few times) and now, even though the job is secure, I can't in good conscience stay there, and still keep my integrity.

But instead of freaking out, I already know, a much better job is already mine. I'm not going to worry about it, I'm just going to take the steps in the moment I need to.

You say you started doing much better at that older job though. Even though I have a lot of resentment, I should focus on doing my best, wherever I am and whatever the circumstances are, because in that way I am not putting roadblocks to my intentions by staying upset and angry, just to accept the situation as it is, something I have created in order to get myself into the next stage of my life.

So maybe I manifested your post to show that I'm on the right track, since it's word for word what I'm going through.

Of course you did. THat's how all this works. And yes, I did do a better job at my old job prior to leaving. In fact, when I told my manager I was leaving he wasn't very happy.

If you read the book "The Science of Getting Rich" he talks about that. He talks about outgrowing your current situation by doing much more that you need to wherever you are right now. Being successful at whatever you are doing right now so that you can carry that success with you forward. For example, if anyone tried calling my manager after I left he would have given me a great review, as opposed to if I quit my job the day after I almost got fired he wouldn't have given me a great review.

Another way to look at it is that people who say stuff like "I outgrew my old job so that's why they fired me." usually aren't well received.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Shamou

However, what bothers me is the effect that a fundamentalist view of LoA has on the neophytes who are led to believe that they have suddenly found the secret formula to success and happiness without ever lifting a finger...

If that is what they find when they see LoA, then it is only because that is what they were seeking. As such, I feel no guilt about that, as they will find that "secret" no matter where they look. I cannot control what ways people choose to interpret things as, I can only report the truth that I see in my world.

If people read what I say and see that I am advocating success "without lifting a finger", so be it. However, I think they are a lot smarter than you think, and they realize that without "lifting a finger" I couldn't even type this message.

[cylon]

Originally Posted by impaul99

...they realize that without "lifting a finger" I couldn't even type this message.

And I bet you barely looked at your fingers while you were typing.

But I am going to keep a positive attitude. Makes no sense to be upset and resentful, my points have been made so now my job is going to be just a meditation in detachment, doing the work for the sake of the work, personal feelings not getting in the way. The "take this job and shove it" mentality, I have noticed, actually keeps people where they don't want to be because they get addicted to the ups and downs. There may even be some Stockholm Syndrome involved. I know people who "love to hate their jobs" and I don't want need that.

My ego, trying to be "the best" all the time, and being upset when my efforts aren't recognized, is the exact stress that kept me there. I'm just going to do my best for it's own reward. Now that my ego isn't involved, I can leave without those pointless resentments eating away at me.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by impaul99

However, I think they are a lot smarter than you think,

They may be smart... but most people are also sheep who will follow the path of least effort... even if that "least effort" will lead to disaster...

That is why I continue the mantra of... "massive action." Just as you... I can only speak from where I come from...

The very best to you... it's an honor to cross sword with you...
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[cylon]

BTW I listened to the Tony Robbins interview you referenced Paul. I never knew he looked at things from that perspective either.

It's on a great site, I'm listening to the interview with Eckhart Tolle. I'm glad you mentioned it, there's seems to be a lot of cool stuff there.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Shamou

They may be smart... but most people are also sheep who will follow the path of least effort... even if that "least effort" will lead to disaster...

Yup, I can see how your belief that "most" people are like this attracts those types of people to you all the time. I prefer to offer advice that will help the ones that aren't like that, even if it's just a few of them, instead of offering advice that is "safe for everyone". As for the "sheep" that you speak of, perhaps they need a few "disasters" to teach them the ways of life. Either way, they learn.

That is why I continue the mantra of... "massive action." Just as you... I can only speak from where I come from...

Been there done that. At the expense of my health and personal relationships. I did see success, but I didn's see the type of success I wanted. "work hard" used to be my mantra too, then it got replaced with "work smart", and then when I discovered LoA it changed to "Play". Playing is so much better than working, you have no idea. When you "play", you don't need to focus on "massive action" as the means towards inflicting change in this world; you grow past that. Does one have to "work hard" and "take massive action" when they are having fun with their kids for example? No, it's just PLAY.

The very best to you... it's an honor to cross sword with you...

Thanks. I don't see it as us crossing swords though. If anything, perhaps lightsabres. But even then, I attracted you into my life so I wouldn't fight against such a person, I'd try to learn from it. I wonder why you attracted me into your life.... perhaps "massive action" doesnt' work in solving every problem.... who knows...

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by impaul99
When you "play", you don't need to focus on "massive action" as the means towards inflicting change in this world; you grow past that.

I agree with you that if you want to be truly effective… your work must be a game that you love with a passion…

However I disagree with your views on taking massive action… I don’t have any billionaire friends… but I do have many friends who are millionaires… and without exception, these guys and gals put in long hours and rarely take vacation… why should they…??? They are doing what they like…

Also, I would be curious if you could give me the name of just one (one just one) who has succeeded big time using your brand of LoA…

According to Wikipedia… as of May 19th 2005 there were 691 US-dollar billionaires in the world… heck… one of them must have used your technique… don’t you think…???

I attracted you into my life so I wouldn't fight against such a person, I'd try to learn from it. I wonder why you attracted me into your life....

You call it “attracting” I call it life’s random occurrence…

perhaps "massive action" doesnt' work in solving every problem....

No… but it’s the best way to start…
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[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Shamou

Also, I would be curious if you could give me the name of just one (one just one) who has succeeded big time using your brand of LoA…

Oprah is fairly successful wouldn't you say?

Also, if you TRULY understand LoA you'll understand that ALL of them are using it. They just don't know it or don't go around telling people they call it that.

In fact I know a multimillionaire myself that is totally oblivious to LoA, he doesn't know it exists in terms of it's name, has never heard of "The Secret" etc., but he uses it every single day of his life. If I read "The Science of Getting Rich", and I look at the exact steps that he recommends we follow, this person I know does them exactly like that.

See, a lot of people already intuitively know LoA, they just don't call it that.

BTW, since you tag all your posts with Anthony Robbins stuff, why don't you check into his work. He totally believes in this stuff. Have you ever heard him talk about Deepak Chopra? He has deep respect for Deepak who teaches all this "spiritual stuff" you are so desperately trying to stay away from.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by impaul99

Oprah is fairly successful wouldn't you say?

Oprah is extremely successful... and Oprah is also an extremely hard worker... and that is why she succeeds...

I never said that I don't believe in LoA... it's the Pollyanna part that I don't agree with...
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[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Shamou

Oprah is extremely successful... and Oprah is also an extremely hard worker... and that is why she succeeds...

Uhuh. Sure it is. That's why all the super hard working workaholics out there are super successful too. Face it, the "work hard" paradigm is gone along with the assembly lines of the mid 1900's, and the "work smart" paradigm is gone with the blue collar managers of the 1980's. I know plenty of people who make a crapload of money and they don't work very hard, and I also know a tonne of hard working people who don't make a lot of money.

Oprah credits "The Secret" with her success.

I never said that I don't believe in LoA... it's the Pollyanna part that I don't agree with...
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That's a convenient way to be on both sides of the fence, isn't it? You either believe that it works or you don't.

Have you ever read "The Science of Getting Rich"? Or is your understanding of LoA only from "The Secret" DVD? I wouldn't consider "The Secret" as fully explaining LoA, but The Science of Getting Rich (which The Secret is based on) definitely explains LoA in no uncertain terms. If you read that book, you will quickly see that you must either AGREE or DISAGREE with what the books says. You either belive that if you follow that advice that you will get results or you don't.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by impaul99

That's a convenient way to be on both sides of the fence, isn't it? You either believe that it works or you don't.

I have spent over two decades studying LoA... and I have not read The Secret and don't intend to... and I also have not read The Science of Getting Rich and don't intend to...

However, I speak from personal experience... and not on what I will be doing in five years...
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[Lil Chris]

impual99,
Man, the things you've said in this thread, you hit the nail on the head many times my friend. (for once I was blind, and now I see). I'd like to point out that although we think we see the rich working "excessively" or "hard", what we don't know is what is going on in their minds...

I would whole heartedly reccommend "The Science of Getting Rich" to anyone as well...

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Shamou

However, I speak from personal experience...

Your personal experience tells you that "taking massive action" helps you to achieve your goals. That's a rather obvious point. Even when I was in kindergarten, I already had teachers telling me about the importance of hard work.

The point which Paul is attempting to convey is somewhat evolved - that if you hold certain thoughts about your intentions , the universe will organise events, circumstances etc to help fulfill those intentions - and the organisational activities of the universe take place independently of your own actions.

That seems to be a department where you have no personal experience ...

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Shamou

I have spent over two decades studying LoA... and I have not read The Secret and don't intend to... and I also have not read The Science of Getting Rich and don't intend to...

However, I speak from personal experience... and not on what I will be doing in five years...
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You remind me of this old guy I met in 1999 who told me I should listen to him because he has over 16 years of ECOMMERCE experience. Yes, that's right, 16 YEARS! in 1999. :|

No wonder you think LoA is Pollyanna VooDoo. You haven't even read "The Science of Getting Rich", which I might add has a whole chapter on the role of "Action" in the process. Anyway, onto more important things.....

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Lil Chris

impual99,
Man, the things you've said in this thread, you hit the nail on the head many times my friend. (for once I was blind, and now I see). I'd like to point out that although we think we see the rich working "excessively" or "hard", what we don't know is what is going on in their minds...

I would whole heartedly reccommend "The Science of Getting Rich" to anyone as well...

Exactly. I used to play Basketball for 8 hours straight when I was in highshool. I'd come home completely exhausted with a giant smile on my face because I was enjoying myself for the entire 8 hours and I wished it hadn't gotten dark or I'd be out there for another 5! I'm sure the fat kid sitting on the bench eating an ice-cream watching us play was thinking "Oh man, that looks like a lot of work running back and forth all the time."

"Hard Work" is for those who don't have the mental discipline to learn who they are, connect to the real source of their being and create "Play" in their lives. I've been there, done that. It's not fun.

[Chado2423]

taking massive action only works if it is sync with the desires of your intentions, likewise if your intention is powerful enough you will create syncronisities into your life (called coincidenced or random occurance, by most people)... this is why Imapalu you see people work very hard and not becoming successful, yet this is why you also see people who make it. But what are these people's beliefs? Do these people believe that "Nobody can ever make it no matter how hard they work. I've been working hard here and no-one gives me any credit." Or do they believe "It's easy for me to advance in my career with little effort." As I have started working with LOA just recently I have questioned it alot. But I have noticed that I have had a pattern of believing that it was impossible for me to turn things around in my life. Of course what manifested? Impossible situtations, right? But then I shifted from impossible to difficult... I even remember stating that "I don't think my situation is impossible to turn around, but I do believe in difficult." So what do you think happened? My situation became very difficult. It isn't where I would like it to be, but I need to take the next step from difficult, to easy. LOA is both practical and non-practical. You have to understand that each side of them is an accurate interpertation of the same concept. You two are just looking at the same picture from different sides of the room. In actuality the overall objective viewpoint would be when you can see that both of you are right in your own way. I would actually suggest that since one of you has seen the practical viewpoints and the other has not understand the spiritual implications, that you would work toward communicating (NOT arguing) your perspective. In reality you're both looking at the same stone, but I stone can be smooth on one side, and rough on the other. Just the same with LOA, it can be practical on one side, and ALSO spiritual on the other.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Chado2423

taking massive action only works if it is sync with the desires of your intentions, likewise if your intention is powerful enough you will create syncronisities into your life (called coincidenced or random occurance, by most people)... this is why Imapalu you see people work very hard and not becoming successful, yet this is why you also see people who make it. But what are these people's beliefs? Do these people believe that "Nobody can ever make it no matter how hard they work. I've been working hard here and no-one gives me any credit." Or do they believe "It's easy for me to advance in my career with little effort." As I have started working with LOA just recently I have questioned it alot. But I have noticed that I have had a pattern of believing that it was impossible for me to turn things around in my life. Of course what manifested? Impossible situtations, right? But then I shifted from impossible to difficult... I even remember stating that "I don't think my situation is impossible to turn around, but I do believe in difficult." So what do you think happened? My situation became very difficult. It isn't where I would like it to be, but I need to take the next step from difficult, to easy. LOA is both practical and non-practical. You have to understand that each side of them is an accurate interpertation of the same concept. You two are just looking at the same picture from different sides of the room. In actuality the overall objective viewpoint would be when you can see that both of you are right in your own way. I would actually suggest that since one of you has seen the practical viewpoints and the other has not understand the spiritual implications, that you would work toward communicating (NOT arguing) your perspective. In reality you're both looking at the same stone, but I stone can be smooth on one side, and rough on the other. Just the same with LOA, it can be practical on one side, and ALSO spiritual on the other.

I agree with you. My "arguement" is simply this. Taking massive action doesn't solve everything. If your beliefs are creating the problems you are taking the "massive action" to correct, you'll always spin your wheels. ie. I used to know someone who thinks that the government is out to get him. That is his belief. He wants to be wealthy and he tries hard but he has all these conspiracy theory's, and the funny thing is that if you hang out with him long enough you actually start seeing "evidence" that he might be right. Is the government out to "get him"? Only because he thinks they are.

Anyway, I digress. My belief is that "INSPIRED ACTION" is what is required to activate LoA. Sometimes that "INSPIRED ACTION" may be something as small as a single phone call, a hug, writing a letter, etc. Inspired action is not "hard work" though, which is what most "Massive Actionists" preach.

FOr example, take this video. Finding Your True Passion YouTube Video | Self Help Wisdom . com

How much "Massive Action" did this Paul guy need to take to be wealthy selling cell phones? Zero. He took inspired action and did something he loved doing. He won that competition and has a contract and a CD coming out this month.

[nightdiamond]

Hi learningtogrow,

Actually I think it's great that you feel happier, the customers are nicer and you were getting more tips. Think of the people with the same type of job you have who get very few tips, say the customers are mean and as a result, they aren't happy. Great work learningtogrow!

For getting more tips, one thing you can try is as you drop of to sleep late at night, send a message to your potiental customers that you are warm and caring and give great service and to be open and giving. Experiment, use your own examples if you like.

I think it's better to have a happy attitude even when the customers dissappoint you than to feel happy only when they seem polite. For that if you like, you can try EFT if you believe in it and are game.

I'm sure you got this already, but also simply flashing a big pleasant smile can work a lot of the time as well. It tends to disarm people and make them feel more comfortable.

Have you been trying to attract more money since last year? I think that's too much time that has passed to have not seen results yet. Can you tell us what you were trying to attract what technique or instruction you have been following and for how long?

Take care..........