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07-29-2007, 11:58 AM
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Right, so here am I starting a topic about tossing off. Didn't think I'd live to see this day. But this is actually more serious than meets the eye. I fully know that masturbation is healthy and is a positive way to let stress fade away so don't worry about that. What I'm considering is going 30 DAYS without masturbation. I've rarely gone a day in the last ten years without doing it at least once. I'm now 21. I feel that I have no control over my sexual feelings in that I can't go more than a couple of days before 'needing' to do it. What I'm asking you guys is this - have you experienced any positive benefits from going without masturbation? I've been told from a friend to expect increased energy levels and a stronger social desire to talk to women. Today is day one so let's see how this goes. Looking forward to your opinions and experiences. Yes this may seem lame to some, but it's a big deal to me. I feel that I do it not to get satisfaction, but to end the same craving you'd get with a cigarette. By the end of it I want to be able to enjoy it now and again. |
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07-29-2007, 12:32 PM
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Hell yeah, go ahead and do it! I take it you've read about the whole "30 day challenge" thing of Steve Pavlina's? Look around his site if you haven't. Are you curious about what will happen if you don't do it for 30 days? That's the best way to go at it, according to Steve, and in my experience so far with altering my sleep patterns I have to agree. Instead of the usual dogma and **** running through my head it is an exploration. It's popular these days to consider masturbation and sex healthy and ****, but not too many people seem to be conscious of something called "sexual energy" which is not infinite. This isn't a question of morality but of energy. At any given time you release, sexually, your energy levels will go down, and it takes anywhere from a few hours to a few days to build it back up to whatever level it was at prior to the release. There are other ways to increase energy besides not having sex and masturbating, but consider that excessive sexual release is like putting a hole at the bottom of a cup. No matter how much you fill it, it'll just keep draining. Positive benefits I've experienced in early 20's (I am male): - Increased body temperature, withstand cold much better - Sleep much less, but fall asleep much faster and sleep very deeply, much greater polarity between sleep and waking - An extremely elevated level of dreaming - A drive to get things done, a real desire, not "should" thoughts and worries - Feelings remeniscent of years ago, as if I was 17 again, or 12, or 10 - The ability to enjoy everything I used to enjoy but got sick of - All feelings will become deeper, sexual desire doesn't just reside in the dick anymore, it also moves up to the heart Negative benefits I've experienced (still benefits): - Deep rooted hidden patterns of negativity begin to surface... if you're ****ED UP, which most of us are... I certainly am and have been, it's going to all come to the surface the more energy you build up, things like depression, sadness, hate, rage, paranoia and other fun stuff will surface... if you're lost and lonely in the world, you'll be that times 10 Basically all the poison that has been with you since early childhood and has solidified and gone below the surface in adulthood and silently been holding you back and boxing you up, is going to become more apparent. If you're not ready to get your head out of your ass and stop being ****ed up, then you'll run back to masturbation. I know I did.  Yes, extremely frequent sexual release is a way of putting ones head in the sand, just like most addictions. This is particularly true of masturbation. Apperently it is quite common for a woman to feel that the man who's screwing her is just "masturbating inside her." We're real masturbators aren't we? So a lot of sex is pretty unhealthy, women being used as masturbation tools and such. Don't know about women's masturbation though |
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07-29-2007, 05:36 PM
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The body will react the same way to masturbation as it will to regular intercourse... If you are not already emotionally or psychologically challenged..., an orgasm, through masturbation or intercourse, will have no negative influence on your psyche... I don't know where you get you info... but, I do believe that it is time for an update... . | |
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07-29-2007, 06:30 PM
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Before I say anything else note that I'm referring primarily to sexual energy expenditure in males, where "sudden loss" prevails. Quote:
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The positive aspect is that it also brings a lot of inner good feelings to the surface which are also repressed. Quote:
Admittedly, my youthful vigor and vitality has been on a gradual drop for many years, as is the case with a huge majority of people. It is actually this drop in vitality that allowed me to become more sensitive to the effects of ejaculation. Ultimately, there is no 1 top factor when it comes to vitality. Everything factors in. Sexual release is one of those factors. With the right way of life, one can easily increase their sexual release ability by a factor of 10 or more. Of course, by increasing sexual release by a factor of 10, it's almost like undoing the other stuff. | |||
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07-30-2007, 04:27 AM
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07-30-2007, 03:15 PM
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To start off, I'll say go ahead and try it. It'll be a good exercise in self discipline and you'll probably gain some perspective on why you do it in the first place. That said, don't expect miracles. I've gone a while without it myself and the only real change is that I got progressively hornier and sexual thoughts dominated my thinking more and more, especially during idle times, like right before bed. In my humble opinion, it's good to release that every now and again so your brain doesn't get overwhelmed. You'd probably do the most good by using this time to learn how to redirect those thoughts to other interests, like real live girls, but don't expect such things to happen by themselves. It'll take extra effort on your part to increase your exposure to social situations.
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07-30-2007, 05:48 PM
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I've been on and off of masturbation, and I realize that it's a drug, essentially. I also think that love is something that makes that energy go into the one you love through an intimate connection if it's properly done. The other interesting thing is that it takes a lot of energy to make semen. Glands are working at a very high energy level, and the pleasure centers are all using tons of electricity and chemical resources as well. An orgasm is more than just an expenditure of energy... It's a manufacturing ordeal. ~ David |
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07-29-2007, 05:52 PM
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Thanks for that info Sham, that seems about right. Yeah I've gone 30 days before, back when I was in turmoil about whether it was "right" or "wrong." Good luck on your mission, I think it will be very hard in the beginning but it mellows out after awhile. Heck, I have a bunch of morman friends that haven't done it (at least that's what they say). Erock |
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07-31-2007, 02:28 AM
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Thank you for all the interesting replies, guys! Day Two is at a close and I'm feeling great. There have been a few tough moments. Last night I had a very vivid sexual dream. I get these maybe three or four times a year. I woke up hornier than I've been in ages, but I was able to laugh and go back to sleep. It felt very satisfying to be able to continue my sexual thoughts throughout the day. Usually masturbation would stop them dead. Now they build up and I'm aroused more often. I don't find it frustrating - rather I'm amused at my body's desires. I'm excited about going through this challenge. It's something I didn't think I could do. Even getting past two days is enough to give myself a pat on my back. People around me have made comments about it being pointless and I just should get it over with. That just inspires me to keep going with this. I'm not going to let the chemicals in my body dictate what I will and will not do. Good luck to everyone else testing their ability to take control of themselves. |
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07-31-2007, 05:16 AM
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Or maybe I'm just opposite of most people, in that I'm much more productive if I masturbate more often, in that I spend less time thinking about/pursuing sex and more time actually taking care of whatever I need to do. Kind of the same reason that I eat when hungry, or drink when thirsty- I find I work much more efficiently when my body is satisfied, than when I'm torturing it as a test of willpower (outside the gym of course- that kind of torture is fun!) Last edited by mlc82; 07-31-2007 at 05:18 AM. | |
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08-01-2007, 04:41 AM
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I've actually read that even if you don't ejaculate by having intercourse or masturbation, your body automatically ejaculates small amounts of semen naturally, when you are sleeping. | |
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08-04-2007, 07:17 AM
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|  Masterbation Problem
Im totally doing this 30 days with no Masterbation. I know It sounds odd me being addicted as a woman. But I am. Not only to masterbation to sex and porn. Im not really sure when I became addicted but its getting pretty out of hand I masterbate about 15 times a day to the point where I have nothing left to cum I just orgasm. I've masterbated driving down the road a few times iand in the bathroom at work. Ive also aquired an addicted to porn. I try to look at it every chance I get which would be about 20 times a day. And with the addiction to sex. Me and my ex had sex alot when we were were together for 3 years i would say we had sex about 1500 times when we were togther. Before we daited I had only had sex 2 times with 2 different people. After the breakup (which was a year ago) Ive had close to around 20 different sexual partners and had sex about 400 times. I am not at all a "whore" as everyone would call it but i really Am addicted. I made sure I used protection everytime and do not have Std's. I would love to be able to not masterbate or do anything sexual for a while do to the fact that I have a wonderful boyfriend who I am completly attracted to and this would be a big thing for him to do without also. I suppose I just need some advice. thank you. |
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08-04-2007, 10:22 AM
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I'd imagine the most difficult part of masturbation addiction is trying to stop simply because it is so much a natural part of us as humans. With alcohol or drugs all you have to do is put them down, but with sex it seems fasr more difficult.
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08-04-2007, 05:51 PM
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08-07-2007, 03:49 AM
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If it were not for puritanism... we would not even be having this discussion... If your nose itches... you scratch and it feels good... If you feel tension south of your belt... you take matters in hand... and you feel better... Animals have come to this conclusion eons ago... humans are imply a little slow on catching on...  . |
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08-13-2007, 01:11 AM
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On a serious note. Since starting the challenge, I've found myself more appreciative of female beauty in general. I'm far less judgemental about girls looks than when I started, which makes conversation all the more easy with the really cute ones because they're less objectified in my head. It's like my brain is less focused on looks, while also appreciating beauty without necessarily falling into a sexual fantasy every time I see a hottie. | |
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08-15-2007, 05:54 AM
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Hello, I've been over 20 days without masturbation not long now (I started again , and it is true - you do get an increased desire to talk to/meet women. In fact, I think you get more social overall. However, I also think that you *should* masturbate once in a while (or several times in a while), because the sperm quality changes if you don't masturbate. It looked a bit too transparent in my case and seemed to go towards gray, rather than staying white. Also, you might ejaculate more quickly if you haven't masturbated in a while. But that depends on how aroused you are when you start, I guess, which could be a lot given you haven't "tossed off" for so long.So, if it's rarely been a day that you haven't masturbated for as long as you claim, I would suggest trying to hold back and not do it as often. Go a couple of days without it. Then a couple more. Also, it's always better to have sex than to masturbate; but if you're very religious then, well, you are most likely only willing to see only one option, and that's not premarital sex. |
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03-05-2008, 10:01 PM
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I think masturbation is basically a double edged sword. The sex drive, this screwy biological urge we have is basically a blessing and a curse. I cannot speak for how other people feel when they engage in the batty business, but I know for myself that after I do it I feel depressed, weak, slow, unmotivated, etc. and I feel guilty, not because I feel the thing itself is bad but the effects are bad and I know what the effects are before I do it but then I do it anyway. I think this is healthy guilt. However, if I abstain from it for too long, obviously I start going crazy, as anyone knows. Anyway, this is all I know about myself, above. Howver, I think everybody could agree, though I may be wrong, that we are all different chemically, are balanced differently, that we have similar or the same chemicals, but they are balanced in different quantities. That is why some people are fat, and some people are thin, and some people are depressed, and some people are schizophrenic, and some people are hyperactive, and some people are pre-disposed to cocaine habits and others can't understand a cocaine habit but love to masturbate themselves till the cows come home, while their next door neighbour feels guilty about having just done it because he has a report due in at the office tomorrow and now has no energy to do it and so will probably fall asleep in front of the television with a beer in one hand and his dick in the other while his neglected wife wanks herself off in the other room over fantasies of Fabio, and never has a conscious thought about wether it is good or bad. Maybe her and the next door neighbour will hook up, since orgasming seems to have no noticeable affect on them physiologically. Anyway, these people are not acting. They ARE fat or schizophrenic, or depressed, or have a drinking problem, or feel flat and unmotivated after they masturbate, and they may notice they have a problem, even if nobody else seems to or does not care for whatever reason, or thinks about things along the lines of "I read a scientific report somewhere which stated there was no harm or problems associated with masturbation to any individual and any opinion to the contrary is just puritanical religious nonsense. I just love a good wank, and you should too, or else you will go insane, so wank yourself! DO IT!" (the report just happened to be researched by Pfizer who produce Prozac and Viagra, and starts with a sentence along the lines of "continuing a well established line of research, it is well established as a medical fact that such and such a thing has no effects whatsoever). To say that masturbation has no effect but to relax and relieve is still an effect, and what, exactly, does it relax and relieve? It must be relaxing and relieving something, not just your penis. If it was only your penis that was effected by the drive, your brain would just laugh at it (ha ha ha, silly thing, look at how tense it is. Oh well, better give it a polish. Seems a useless chore, really. Wish it would just stay down till I asked it. Mind of it's own. Penises these days, I tell you. Can't keep a good penis down, ho ho ho, why back in my day you'd never..." etc.) Well, it is relaxing and relieving something in your brain, not just your penis, but is this necessarily a good and necessary thing for all people? Is it a good kind of "relaxation"? Is relaxation always "good"? Consider statements like "he relaxed his standards and had sex with the sheep" or "his sphincter relaxed and the **** came pouring forth like an unmitigated guyser at Yellowstone park". Is relief always good? Eg "He was relieved of a portion of his frontal lobe after the lobotomy" or "He was relieved of his wallet." "He was relieved of certain neurochemicals necessary to function on certain levels but which kept him in a state of tension and neurotic behaviour nonetheless. However, when relieved of these he was no longer capable of functioning on these levels and reduced himself to a state of masturbational emptyness. But he was relaxed. He relaxed his capacities and strengths." Anyway, I think it is spurious to say that masturbation has no effect on the brain. The penis is inextricably tied up with and to the brain, and it may even be redundant to make a distinction between the penis and the brain, as they are the same thing in a way, like the eye for example. The eye is connected directly to the brain, through the optic nerve. You do not just see with your eye, though, you see with your brain. Similarly the brain is connected to the penis, though not by just one single nerve but by a good many connected nerves, much like a lightbulb which is not connected to a socket by one cord but by many cords linked together over a distance. Turn the light switch on, it will illuminate the room. Leave the light on, and it may be less noticeable when you are tired so you will have more trouble getting to sleep. Fiddle with the lightswitch long enough, and the bulb will blow out. Anyway, to say that it is either the bulb or the socket which produces the light is inaccurate. They are both producing the light, and the energy and the mechanisms are not infinite. Again, double edged sword. A blessing and a curse. The quantity of our chemicals and the time and frequency we should expel and mess with them are relative to our own problems. I know I go weak in the knees after sex or a wank, and I am not an un-muscley person. I once had real trouble walking up stairs after sex and blowing my stack. I think that says something. There are times to wank and times to not. For myself, I try to definitely not do it everyday or every week if I can help it. I say keep the experiment going. |
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03-06-2008, 06:22 AM
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Hello All!! This will be my first post on the forums, but as a guy, and one with some experience with this, I actually had to sign up and put my two jerks in...(between the title to this post and that first sentence...have I double entendra-ed enough yet?) My other qualification is that I have done, already, exactly what you are doing, except I did it for 108 days, you read that right -- 108 days brothah.  Dude, by the end, I could lift cars I did it during a spiritual practice with my kung fu instructor. The practice was called the "Golden Bell." During the 108 days, there were physical exercises to do in combination with energy visualizing/feeling exercises to make the energy (that I wasn't releasing) surround me like - a golden bell. Also, just for the record, I was living in Vegas at the time, working in a nice casino, where there was plenty of constant...feminine temptation. So I'm NOT saying it was easy! When you have 108 days worth of "grrr" waiting to get out, the ladies notice! (On an interesting side note, about a week after I started, I met the women who is now my wife. That may really speak to the spiritual/social/sexual attraction aspect of it!) My advice to you would be to DO something with this energy your not letting slip through your fingers anymore. Go to the gym, you will see crazy results. Meditate, you will go deeper. Create something, you will be super-focused. You probably noticed that you have a crazy amount of that creative (sexual) energy building up. This will attract everything from synchronicity to sexy ladies. You should do something productive with this energy, if you figure that every time you used to toss one off, you also tossed of enough potential energy to create a human life, you can the see the power you now have a your fingertips (or no longer have at your fingertips, depending on how you look at it). Also, I think that someone (Max0r?) posted about when you ejaculate, you loose a bit of energy that you can't get back. I'm not sure if anyone has commented on this, but it seems to line up with Traditional Chinese Medicine philosophy. The philosophy being that the type of qi (energy) that semen contains (there are a few types) is your original qi (Jing qi, I think) and depending on which chinese medical expert you listen to, some say you should only ejaculate during the spring & summer, a few times in the fall, never in winter. Others say it depends on you age, (when your young, once a day is okay, but as you get older you should do it less and less, so eventually you're only releasing once a week, then once a month. etc.). So even within the Chinese medicine philosophy, there are different theories, so I doubt the "end all" answer will be found here in the SP forums, but it sure does make for one lively discussion So dude.....GO FOR IT....and keep us all posted!! PS. During my practice, if a wet dream happened it was alright, because that was different than taking things into your own hands, and I don't know if this is true with you, but with me, my wet dream release is different (I mean the actually semen is different) than during a waking wack. |
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03-06-2008, 06:29 AM
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Too much of Masturbation may not be good for heath as you lose a bunch of Zinc through excretion of Semen . On the other hands, to my surprise .... BBC NEWS | Health | Masturbation 'cuts cancer risk' Quote:
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