Masturbation

[mlc82]

Originally Posted by Sourcerer

TBH, I have no idea what energy draining you are talking about. I have heard it said that after ejaculation most men just go to sleep (if at night). I also do not deny that sometimes after ejaculation sexual urge wanes. But that is not the rule, at least not for me.

I never feel exhausted after masturbating or having sex; in fact, most of the time I'm ready for more within a minute or two after the climax (just as soon as the sensation goes away). I don't even lose an erection unless the atmosphere changes to something other than sexual.

Same here, and I'm 25. If I'm really tired already, It'll put me into a 20 minute nap afterward (masturbating or sex), but I'm usually good to go again within that same period and don't feel "spent" until after 3 or 4 times in a day. I've been this way since I was 12 or so, guess it's the fun of being young. Sometimes it can make me MORE energetic and focused, not to mention relaxed.

[Peter Tosh]

i need to take break from masterbtion myself...i'm the same exact way

i find it wiefd after i'm done tossing off.....i have to take a 10 minute nap afterwards and then i'm back to normal...

but yea i need to join ya in this 30 day fast..hahah

[Jamie]

I'm full of admiration for you guys going whole-hog and doing the full 30 days!!

I'm just sticking to the 7 for now, once I get that small success under by belt (ha), I can move on to bigger and better things!

[Gozunn]

Okay...so I've read through this WHOLE thread and basically it has been frustrating, so many loonggg posts. It was so long to read I had to jack off twice before I found the mental inuition to keep reading (ironic huh?)Really does everyone love this topic?

Anyways I'm real confused. Is the 30-day challenge bad or not? Someone said it reduces sperm count , I really don't want that to happen. But you guys keep talking about sexual energy and someone said something about it helping in biphasic sleeping- something I've really been craving for.

Yet the common ground which most of you have is that to orgasm is healthy but to ejaculate MAY not be the best way to go. Still I don't want to pursue the Taoist ways of orgasm.

So how should I go about this? jack off once a week? Cause I'm real confused by your opinions and frankly I'm going to admit I'm not an expert on the subject of 'sexual energy', in fact this is the first time I've ever read about it (I'm talking about steve pavlina's article not this thread)

For the record I've tried abstinence for fun some while ago, twice actually and only managed to hold it in for 4 days before my mind found some excuse to masturbate and then afterwards i'd masturbate 4+ times a day lol.

[Jamie]

For me, I'd caution not trying to force things. Going against nature (what your body wants to do) isn't always wise. So don't force things too much. You could try setting your own target (like for me, I've chose 7 days), and guage the results, how do you feel after etc?

Also, things will be very different dependent on your age (and health). If you're 18-20 ish, you'll be like the fountain of youth, and that stuff will really want to come out, once you're past like 25 or something, mother nature progressively, more and more, loses interest in you (booo booo). Consequently, you're fountain of youth, more and more, resembles the trickle of lost hope ...

No, seriously, I'd just say be careful not force things too much; and be aware of what's happening for you, in your own body. Hope that helps.

Jamie.

[Peter Tosh]

breaking the habit is hard......my girflriend challenged me to stop for a week..i said...hahaha okay thats easy......i was begging her to let me maturbate after the second day.

we coudl't have sex becuase..ya know, it was that time of month....so she picked a good week to try and challenge me.....god bless that women

[colbycheeze]

I never really thought about it...I would just simply do it as a habit. I usually pop some out right before a shower since it's real nice and relaxing.

Again not thinking about it...I haven't even done it in over 8 days, ever since I started my fast...not on purpose...just didn't think about it.

I've never really had that big a sexual urge anyway, I haven't even had sex in almost over 6 months...and could care less. I have a friend who literally FREAKS out if he goes a week without banging some random girl. I just don't get it.

I don't see any point in craving sex so badly unless it's with someone who you actually love. I'm not even a "sex until marriage" fanatic but..*shrug* I don't know. Interesting topic, but too long for me to read all of it.

[Amit_S]

I've been kind of doing the same for the past few years....13+years I guess.
I'm taking up the challenge too. -I'll just start out with 7 days.

I haven't read all the posts so I dont know if anyone has posted this before-
1. Napoleon Hill spoke of the Sex Transmutation energy in his book.
2.Check out this thread:
TMAGNUM FORUMS - Watching Porn & Not Beating Off

[Herbalist]

Originally Posted by Jamie

Thanks, I try the diet change. I have no idea where to get some Motherwort though, any suggestions?

It's a common herb, you can gather it yourself or check your local drugstore. Or (I did quicksearch): try this link.

[SonoranBob]

Originally Posted by Gozunn

Anyways I'm real confused. Is the 30-day challenge bad or not? Someone said it reduces sperm count , I really don't want that to happen.

There is no one right or good way. I think the whole thread boils down to this: there's nothing wrong with masturbation as a way to release sexual tension, but like anything, do it in moderation or it becomes a habit that dominates you. Nothing wrong with picking your nose (in private) but if you do it too much you'll get nosebleeds and chronic infections. Same principle.

You have plenty of sperm, if you need it for something. I'm 51 so I'm beyond procreation and have been rigged to fire blanks for well over a decade now. If your objective is to maximize your ability to impregnate women then sure, frequent ejaculation by masturbation or otherwise will reduce your sperm count, but you will still have billions on tap. Women have very limited eggs and men have essentially unlimited sperm ... I don't see what you're worried about unless you've (a) been diagnosed with an actual fertility problem and (b) are at a point in life where you care.

Refraining from masturbation as an exercise in self discovery is fine, but I doubt it's really worthy of THIS much discussion. Maybe it just reflects the average age of the participants and their youthful obsession with all things sexual.

I've heard it crudely but sagely put:

"There's nothing so over-rated as a good f__k and nothing so under-rated as a good s__t." I'm not to the point in life yet where it's a victory not to mess my pants so I'm not particularly pre-occupied with either function. I enjoy both. Relax -- life is meant to be enjoyed. Both the transcendent and the mundane. And let's face it, life consists mostly of the mundane, so pay at LEAST as much attention to that ;-)

--Bob

[Gozunn]

Originally Posted by SonoranBob

There is no one right or good way. I think the whole thread boils down to this: there's nothing wrong with masturbation as a way to release sexual tension, but like anything, do it in moderation or it becomes a habit that dominates you. Nothing wrong with picking your nose (in private) but if you do it too much you'll get nosebleeds and chronic infections. Same principle.

You have plenty of sperm, if you need it for something. I'm 51 so I'm beyond procreation and have been rigged to fire blanks for well over a decade now. If your objective is to maximize your ability to impregnate women then sure, frequent ejaculation by masturbation or otherwise will reduce your sperm count, but you will still have billions on tap. Women have very limited eggs and men have essentially unlimited sperm ... I don't see what you're worried about unless you've (a) been diagnosed with an actual fertility problem and (b) are at a point in life where you care.

Refraining from masturbation as an exercise in self discovery is fine, but I doubt it's really worthy of THIS much discussion. Maybe it just reflects the average age of the participants and their youthful obsession with all things sexual.

I've heard it crudely but sagely put:

"There's nothing so over-rated as a good f__k and nothing so under-rated as a good s__t." I'm not to the point in life yet where it's a victory not to mess my pants so I'm not particularly pre-occupied with either function. I enjoy both. Relax -- life is meant to be enjoyed. Both the transcendent and the mundane. And let's face it, life consists mostly of the mundane, so pay at LEAST as much attention to that ;-)

--Bob

Thanks for the advice, I've decided to go ahead with the trial and am currently in my fourth day. Its been realitivly easy However this is because I tend to go piss everytime I feel a bit horny. Its a great way to lose the urge but am doing this all for nothing by urinating in the difficult times? Maybe urinating some semen in the process?

[Barcs]

The longest I can go without having some kind of release is usually 3-4 days. On average I do it every other day. I don't think there are any lack of energy problems.

[thirial]

six weeks is my longest...the first two weeks are very hard but then it becomes easier, i was experimenting with "Sexual Transmutation" (got some suggested reading below!) and you really notice differences in your energy and creative ability after a few weeks

Sexual Transmutation - Think and Grow Rich
Think and Grow Rich: Chapter 11. The Mystery of Sex Transmutation (The Tenth Step toward Riches)

Sex Transmutation: Sexual Energy into Genius

[Alison Jenkins]

Masturbation certainly can lead to problems of addiction and it certainly can affect people's lives. Once a day maybe not but think about the sex addict who is doing it ten times a day, can't hold down a job or gets fired for masturbating at work, can't hold down a relationship because his partner can't bear to know that masturbation is over taking their sexual relationship. And yes I have personally worked with clients who experience this.

When masturbation or sex for that matter becomes addictive, it is just like using drugs, alcohol, food or whatever. Behind it is someone who can't bear to feel their feelings and is using their addiction to numb their pain / emotions.

This also affects women too

There is a whole fellowship devoted to sex addicts called Sex and Love Addicts Anonymous Here's a link Sex and Love Addicts Anonymous | You are not alone.

Alison

[SonoranBob]

Originally Posted by Gozunn

Thanks for the advice, I've decided to go ahead with the trial and am currently in my fourth day. Its been realitivly easy However this is because I tend to go piss everytime I feel a bit horny. Its a great way to lose the urge but am doing this all for nothing by urinating in the difficult times? Maybe urinating some semen in the process?

Beats me (sorry, I couldn't resist).

Personally I can't urinate at all when I'm aroused to any significant degree, and that is in fact my understanding of how it's supposed to work. You know, so you don't pee inside a woman. Not a popular thing to do.

If peeing helps at all I assume it does so by reducing bladder pressure on your prostate. In other words your urine bladder doesn't press on your semen bladder ;-)

Personally i don't miss the annoyance of youthful desire. At 51 I can go at times for days without remembering to think of sex. I frankly don't miss the daily torment. I used to think marriage would help and it does -- twice a week for 30 minutes.

See, you have something to look forward too ;-)

My, but I'm a naughty boy today. I should be cheering you on. Sorry. Carry on. As penance I shall increase my daily dose of testosterone, and reminisce.

--Bob

[Gozunn]

Originally Posted by SonoranBob

Beats me (sorry, I couldn't resist).

Personally I can't urinate at all when I'm aroused to any significant degree, and that is in fact my understanding of how it's supposed to work. You know, so you don't pee inside a woman. Not a popular thing to do.

If peeing helps at all I assume it does so by reducing bladder pressure on your prostate. In other words your urine bladder doesn't press on your semen bladder ;-)

Personally i don't miss the annoyance of youthful desire. At 51 I can go at times for days without remembering to think of sex. I frankly don't miss the daily torment. I used to think marriage would help and it does -- twice a week for 30 minutes.

See, you have something to look forward too ;-)

My, but I'm a naughty boy today. I should be cheering you on. Sorry. Carry on. As penance I shall increase my daily dose of testosterone, and reminisce.

--Bob

Strangely enough this has been very easy, all I had to do was distract myself from sex so i'm disappointed in my youthful desire . I always thought I was a very horny boy but apparently I'm not . Today I tried to mastrubate within seconds of ejaculating because I'm supposed to have some 'sex energy' and I haven't had any in 4 days! Anyways it was a total bust, after I stopped the desire went away and then I gradually got the after-feeling of when you get kicked in the balls. So yeah..I'm not doing that again.

I think I'm doing this all wrong somehow. And the specualtion of being married AND peeing inside a woman is not somthing I'm going to look forward to

[ken nubo]

I may be late on this but ...

EVERYBODY STROKES THEMSELVES.

It's perfectly normal. No need to be ashame.

Now if you excuse me I gotta do some stuff lol

[Jamie]

Originally Posted by ken nubo

I may be late on this but ...

EVERYBODY STROKES THEMSELVES.

It's perfectly normal. No need to be ashame.

Now if you excuse me I gotta do some stuff lol

Yep, it's got nothing to do with shame, or feeling ashamed or that it's a sin or anything. It's perfectly natural. For me, not doing it is only about conserving and redirection energy. Nothing else.

[hollowman]

So what finally happen? Did anyone make it 30 days without masturbation?

I wonder if its ok or normal for marrried gyus to masturbate still?

[Alison Jenkins]

Yes it's very normal for married guys. Often their partners lose interest so it's a way to relieve frustration rather than have an affair to meet their physical needs. That applies to men of all ages too not just the younger ones.

Alison

[intellisyte]

Alison...are you married? Have you caught him shaking hands with the bishop? My wife admits to pleasuring herself only after she has had a couple drinks. As for myself. I try not to as much as possible. I find that when I'm in public and haven't taken the matter into my own hands for a while, women are more attracted to me. I get hit on all of the time. But when my sexual energy is down, they won't even look at me. I don't know if this could be proven or not, it's what I seem to attract. But I'll go through stages where I need to release even when my wife and I have been intimate. Imaginary partners help prevent extra players when your married....G

[brandongilbert]

Originally Posted by SonoranBob

Beats me (sorry, I couldn't resist).

Personally I can't urinate at all when I'm aroused to any significant degree, and that is in fact my understanding of how it's supposed to work. You know, so you don't pee inside a woman. Not a popular thing to do.

If peeing helps at all I assume it does so by reducing bladder pressure on your prostate. In other words your urine bladder doesn't press on your semen bladder ;-)

Personally i don't miss the annoyance of youthful desire. At 51 I can go at times for days without remembering to think of sex. I frankly don't miss the daily torment. I used to think marriage would help and it does -- twice a week for 30 minutes.

See, you have something to look forward too ;-)

My, but I'm a naughty boy today. I should be cheering you on. Sorry. Carry on. As penance I shall increase my daily dose of testosterone, and reminisce.

--Bob

Ive always wondered why it was so hard to urinate with an erection...This kind of explains it. Has anyone else had this experience? This happens usually in the morning for men,, if you know what i mean,,

[katexoxo]

woww lol! good luck to all you guys trying this.. reminds me of that movie 40 days and 40 nights.

i kinda think of sex like food in that your body needs it, and its what you need to do in order to survive. but sometimes we lose touch with what our body really needs and can no longer recognise when we actually need it. for example people that are overweight, will continue to eat even when they are not hungry, as they cant tell the difference between their body's need for food and their psychological need to eat for pleasure. so i think its all about balance and listening to what your body needs.

i feel sorry for you men though!! this sounds like a real challenge. i masturbate probably about once a week now that i don’t have a boyfriend and i love it!! easiest and most fun way to exercise

[Alison Jenkins]

Yes I'm married - 18yrs and I work with clients with sexual issues so lots of experience.

Alison

[BlackBird23]

As a Taekwondo A-class international athlete, I am really attracted to the possibility of a heightened level of energy for training, and also the aggressive edge from increased testosterone.

When I don't masturbate, I can see a surge in energy... But its often hard to point out as I could masturbate maybe a few hours before training and feel as normal. But what I really want is to redirect that sexual energy into my fighting and training - namely, I want to be as addicted to training as I am masturbating and seeking pornography...:/ Which is why I am trying to abstain. And I believe in its possibility, not merely suppressing your sexual desire but sort of redirecting that whole energy; the energy that makes you want to take your penis out, hunt for porn, etc into the things I love doing in life. Imagine doing what you love doing, like playing sport, working out, playing games but with the same sort of tenacity and passion as sexual desire!!!

I know that sounds 'out there', but thats just me, I want to be different and also the best in what I do, so I believe I have to go against the grain of nature and daily human habits to achieve such. Make no mistake, the richest people on the planet/top, specialized athletes are different beings from the norm.

The time I can remember just simply not having a desire to masturbate was when I met my first girlfriend and love - I just couldn't masturbate about her because I was so in love with her and felt crude visualizing her in such a grossly sexual manner. I went for over a week, and the odd thing was I wasn;t really suppressing it.

[Andrew Brunelle]

I tried going a few weeks without masturbating, but it seemed like nothing more than an exercise in self-denial. We make tons and tons of sperm each day and it is actually good for us to masturbate, according to scientific research. Even if you do it as often as once a day, I don't see any problem with it, except your sperm may get depleted, but not by much. It is a great way to relieve stress or enjoy yourself for a short period of time. And it's good for your heart. It's the ultimate motivation for exercise. It's a short workout, but a workout nonetheless.

[Curtis2011]

Originally Posted by Alison Jenkins

Yes it's very normal for married guys. Often their partners lose interest so it's a way to relieve frustration rather than have an affair to meet their physical needs. That applies to men of all ages too not just the younger ones.

Alison

That is kind of sad

Maybe the couple should be focusing on how to bring Passion back into their marriage, instead of "surviving" through it.

I remember a very good book called His Needs, Her Needs, which addresses this issue. If you are married and want the SPARK back in your marriage, give it a read.

[FazK]

I think it's impossible to stop masturbating completely but it is very easy to only do it once it week. All you have to do is just make it habitual it is quit hard at first by soon becomes effortless. If you guys are interested check out the link below its a discussion on a PUA forum about this topic. I must warn you though it is very lengthly there are over 2000 replies and 50 pages

The masturbation discussion (merged threads)

[completelylost]

Originally Posted by ManifestingMax

Hello All!!

I did it during a spiritual practice with my kung fu instructor. The practice was called the "Golden Bell." During the 108 days, there were physical exercises to do in combination with energy visualizing/feeling exercises to make the energy (that I wasn't releasing) surround me like - a golden bell.

...

My advice to you would be to DO something with this energy your not letting slip through your fingers anymore. Go to the gym, you will see crazy results. Meditate, you will go deeper. Create something, you will be super-focused. You probably noticed that you have a crazy amount of that creative (sexual) energy building up. This will attract everything from synchronicity to sexy ladies. You should do something productive with this energy, if you figure that every time you used to toss one off, you also tossed of enough potential energy to create a human life, you can the see the power you now have a your fingertips (or no longer have at your fingertips, depending on how you look at it).

Hi guys! Interesting thread, and really interesting post this one here. I think I'm going to do some further research on this very topic of visualizations and energies transmutations... if anyone knows any source I can look into... (apart from what has already been said)
so... I'm just curious... is there any reason for the 108 days thing? Would more days mean better results? You know, if I'm gonna do something like this I'm doing it to the fullest, and if the fullest means 33 weeks, sign me in and wish me luck

[brendannz]

Originally Posted by Andrew Brunelle

I tried going a few weeks without masturbating, but it seemed like nothing more than an exercise in self-denial. We make tons and tons of sperm each day and it is actually good for us to masturbate, according to scientific research. Even if you do it as often as once a day, I don't see any problem with it, except your sperm may get depleted, but not by much. It is a great way to relieve stress or enjoy yourself for a short period of time. And it's good for your heart. It's the ultimate motivation for exercise. It's a short workout, but a workout nonetheless.

I find it to be the perfect cure for insomnia

I really do think there's much more to who we are than how much sperm we have in our balls anyway. I think it's best to see it as no big deal.