[Adult] Masturbation as a tool for growth

[Christian223]

Sorry for the title if i offend you, but i just discovered this thing by myself and i wanted to hear some of your opinions and experiences with this tool or idea...

The story is as follows: i studied some stuff about sex and mastubration several months/years ago (serious stuff, medical, not porn) and i found out about pc muscles, so i trained them to gain mastery of them, but, even before that i had those muscles very well trained because i had this bad habit when i was a child of not going to the bathroom to empty my urinary bladder, so i had trained those mucles since my childhood without even knowing it; now, the important thing here is there where some days when i masturbated when a really funny thing happened, after i masturbated i felt very energized, full with power, mentaly calm, and like floating on the clouds, it felt so awesome, and i had no idea why that happened, i asked myself "why do i feel this way?", it happened just a couple of times in my life, at least in that degree, but recently something like that happened to me again, i discovered that through long session of masturbation i can gain that sense again, and it feels great (i mean after it, as opposed to the short sessions when afterwards i feel tired), i feel condifent, calm, full of energy, and its great, i just wanted to share this with you, if you train your pc muscles and masturbate for say 1 hour, you can use it as a tool for personal growth.

I still dont understand why this happens, or how can i increase the effectiveness of this "technique", so if you have something to comment i would really appreciate it, thanks.

[openeyes]

If you haven't already you might check out some of Mantak Chia's books such as "The Multi-Orgasmic Man". I'd practiced the techniques in his "Taoist Secrets of Love: Cultivating Male Sexual Energy" several years ago and regularly got some version of what you described, so long as I didn't ejaculate. Working out the PC muscles via kegels is excellent for both men and women. Adding in breathing exercises or simply slowly down your breathing helps a lot as well.

[reflections]

You may also want to check out Jack Johnson (the psychologist not the singer!) who has a technique called the 'key sound' it involves using this sound to move sexual energy through the body and in particular into the heart chakra. Its very healing and it is also used for multiple male orgasm. Different to Chia's work because it doesn't involve the PC muscle, but instead works on relaxing the body's usual response to orgasm by 'rippling' the energy out through the body.

[Matthew Shea]

Originally Posted by Christian223

...i just discovered this thing by myself...

BWAAAAAHAAAAAHAAA!!!!

I'm sorry, I know that's not how you intended it, but still...

Anyway, to be serious, I'd suggest that to take the next step, you should investigate ways that you can achieve this mental state without using the masturbation. That way, you could even practice in public (without getting arrested.)

[The David]

Interesting screen name.

Not that I think what you're doing is against Christianity, but many Christians do...probably some reading this thread.

Any chance that avoiding masturbation (i.e., cultivating the energy without releasing it) might have some benefit as well? Maybe you can learn to re-direct the energy?

*shrug*

[Erki]

Originally Posted by The David

Interesting screen name.

Not that I think what you're doing is against Christianity, but many Christians do...probably some reading this thread.

I was going to say that too but then again Christian is a totally legitimate male name. As is Christina or Christine.* There are very many names that have come from religion so I wouldn't pay too much attention to it.

Originally Posted by The David

Any chance that avoiding masturbation (i.e., cultivating the energy without releasing it) might have some benefit as well? Maybe you can learn to re-direct the energy?

*shrug*

It always amuses me when people want to take fun away from a good/beneficial thing.

*I meant those as female names of course...

[The David]

Originally Posted by Erki

I was going to say that too but then again Christian is a totally legitimate male name. As is Christina or Christine. There are very many names that have come from religion so I wouldn't pay too much attention to it.



It always amuses me when people want to take fun away from a good/beneficial thing.

LoL. I was just theorizing.

[Christian223]

My name is Christian and i am also a Christian, the thing is that there are many christian religions that belive very different things, some belive masturbation is wrong, some dont, i dont of course.

An update: the time you spend doing it isnt important, but you must do something special to trigger the effect, i thought at first that i just had to do it for a long time, but this time i dont feel any special effect afterwards, it fells great but not as awesome as i decribed before, i guess ill have to look for those books you people have recommended, any chance that i cat get that info for free on the net? that would be great... or could you explain shortly how to do it?.

Matthew: what i experienced is not only a mental state, its a whole bodily thing, i can even smell things differently, its amazing... hard to describe, but you really feel great, powerfull, relaxed... i wish i knew how to do it.

The David: without masturbation?, im not really sure, the only thing i know is that it allways happened after masturbation.

[z3100668]

My perspective is that it is wrong, not in any religous or moral perspective. But jerking off is satisfying primal desires, and getting a quick fix, just like binging on KFC, or smoking marjuana, or smoking, or surfing youtube for hours on end. I'm incredibly suprised how many of the pple in the forum are supporting it. There's no doubt in my mind that it has a negative aspect on personal growth, added to this the jerk off is less attracted to their partner (psychology studies), and promotes the use of pornography which is degrading to women.

[AidanMatthews216]

Originally Posted by z3100668

But jerking off is satisfying primal desires, and getting a quick fix, just like binging on KFC, or smoking marjuana, or smoking,

Or breathing, or eating, or drinking water...

or surfing youtube for hours on end.

The difference is that surfing youtube does not give you an orgasm... it just makes you bored.

I'm incredibly suprised how many of the pple in the forum are supporting it. There's no doubt in my mind that it has a negative aspect on personal growth,

Like what?

[Max Power]

I see masturbation as self love. I've been doing it since I was 11 or 12, I enjoy all of my creations including myself.

You have to love yourself before you can love anyone else.

I think Jesus said that, he probably masturbated too, maybe that's why they stuck him on the lower case 'T'

I'll probably go to hell for that remark Lucky for me I don't believe in that

Max

[Iksander]

@z3100668:

Damn dude, what do you do when you don't have a girlfriend? Sounds like you have some old Victorian sexual repression issues.

Marijuana, in my opinion, is not at all inherently bad... The brain has Cannabinoid Receptors, even though THC isn't naturally secreted by the brain - a similar substance that causes similar effects is. (a good Wiki article on it is here: THC)

Occasional smoking with good company really makes for some good memories (around a camp fire while camping, with some slow guitar being played in the background...), so I fail to see the harm in it with disciplined use. I actually think it does have a positive effect on my personal development in those instances, because my enjoyment of the company and surroundings is heightened; I often have very deep and philosophical conversations under the influence of marijuana.

While I agree that any state or experience should not be dependent on a substance - the substance itself will have a very specific and unique signature that can be a positive addition to similar states that are elicited through direct and deliberate states of consciousness NOT under any sort of external influence.

[Christian223]

z3100668 you may be right to some degree, but you also miss-interpret this whole thing because of ignorance, and i say this because what we have been taking about is not about the satisfying of primal needs, but to use sexual pleasure to be more better human.

I have read this in another site, keeping away from ejaculation, wich is just like satisfying hunger, makes us more human, because no animal has that capacity of increasing and utilizing sex in such an energizing way, instead animals just follow their instinct, they try to ejaculate very quickly, thus not really using the full power that sex offers, some people also, just like animals and because of ignorance, masturbate/have sex to reach ejaculation and orgams, wich is what our bodies asks us to do, but if we gain control of ourselves we can really use all this power and energy to our advantage, and its not a primal thing anymore, its a way of really get to know more about life, to enjoy your life more, to be more loving, to have more energy and to be have more peace, thats far from the normal "quick fix".

Edit: about pornography, i try to stay away from it because of my religion, but, it would be anyway a bad idea because over estimulating your senses, specially your imagination, really can get you quicker to orgasm, wich is not what we want here, its better to concentrate fully on your body, and not use imagination or images, that way its much easier to control yourself.