[Adult] Masturbation as a tool for growth

[Christian223]

Sorry for the title if i offend you, but i just discovered this thing by myself and i wanted to hear some of your opinions and experiences with this tool or idea...

The story is as follows: i studied some stuff about sex and mastubration several months/years ago (serious stuff, medical, not porn) and i found out about pc muscles, so i trained them to gain mastery of them, but, even before that i had those muscles very well trained because i had this bad habit when i was a child of not going to the bathroom to empty my urinary bladder, so i had trained those mucles since my childhood without even knowing it; now, the important thing here is there where some days when i masturbated when a really funny thing happened, after i masturbated i felt very energized, full with power, mentaly calm, and like floating on the clouds, it felt so awesome, and i had no idea why that happened, i asked myself "why do i feel this way?", it happened just a couple of times in my life, at least in that degree, but recently something like that happened to me again, i discovered that through long session of masturbation i can gain that sense again, and it feels great (i mean after it, as opposed to the short sessions when afterwards i feel tired), i feel condifent, calm, full of energy, and its great, i just wanted to share this with you, if you train your pc muscles and masturbate for say 1 hour, you can use it as a tool for personal growth.

I still dont understand why this happens, or how can i increase the effectiveness of this "technique", so if you have something to comment i would really appreciate it, thanks.

[openeyes]

If you haven't already you might check out some of Mantak Chia's books such as "The Multi-Orgasmic Man". I'd practiced the techniques in his "Taoist Secrets of Love: Cultivating Male Sexual Energy" several years ago and regularly got some version of what you described, so long as I didn't ejaculate. Working out the PC muscles via kegels is excellent for both men and women. Adding in breathing exercises or simply slowly down your breathing helps a lot as well.

[reflections]

You may also want to check out Jack Johnson (the psychologist not the singer!) who has a technique called the 'key sound' it involves using this sound to move sexual energy through the body and in particular into the heart chakra. Its very healing and it is also used for multiple male orgasm. Different to Chia's work because it doesn't involve the PC muscle, but instead works on relaxing the body's usual response to orgasm by 'rippling' the energy out through the body.

[Matthew Shea]

Originally Posted by Christian223

...i just discovered this thing by myself...

BWAAAAAHAAAAAHAAA!!!!

I'm sorry, I know that's not how you intended it, but still...

Anyway, to be serious, I'd suggest that to take the next step, you should investigate ways that you can achieve this mental state without using the masturbation. That way, you could even practice in public (without getting arrested.)

[The David]

Interesting screen name.

Not that I think what you're doing is against Christianity, but many Christians do...probably some reading this thread.

Any chance that avoiding masturbation (i.e., cultivating the energy without releasing it) might have some benefit as well? Maybe you can learn to re-direct the energy?

*shrug*

[Erki]

Originally Posted by The David

Interesting screen name.

Not that I think what you're doing is against Christianity, but many Christians do...probably some reading this thread.

I was going to say that too but then again Christian is a totally legitimate male name. As is Christina or Christine.* There are very many names that have come from religion so I wouldn't pay too much attention to it.

Originally Posted by The David

Any chance that avoiding masturbation (i.e., cultivating the energy without releasing it) might have some benefit as well? Maybe you can learn to re-direct the energy?

*shrug*

It always amuses me when people want to take fun away from a good/beneficial thing.

*I meant those as female names of course...

[The David]

Originally Posted by Erki

I was going to say that too but then again Christian is a totally legitimate male name. As is Christina or Christine. There are very many names that have come from religion so I wouldn't pay too much attention to it.



It always amuses me when people want to take fun away from a good/beneficial thing.

LoL. I was just theorizing.

[Christian223]

My name is Christian and i am also a Christian, the thing is that there are many christian religions that belive very different things, some belive masturbation is wrong, some dont, i dont of course.

An update: the time you spend doing it isnt important, but you must do something special to trigger the effect, i thought at first that i just had to do it for a long time, but this time i dont feel any special effect afterwards, it fells great but not as awesome as i decribed before, i guess ill have to look for those books you people have recommended, any chance that i cat get that info for free on the net? that would be great... or could you explain shortly how to do it?.

Matthew: what i experienced is not only a mental state, its a whole bodily thing, i can even smell things differently, its amazing... hard to describe, but you really feel great, powerfull, relaxed... i wish i knew how to do it.

The David: without masturbation?, im not really sure, the only thing i know is that it allways happened after masturbation.

[openeyes]

Originally Posted by Christian223

i guess ill have to look for those books you people have recommended, any chance that i cat get that info for free on the net?

Try interlibrary book loan if you're in the US (getting specific book details off amazon.com). If nothing else it'd be worth it just for the look on the librarian's face Who knows, maybe you'll get a cute and adventurous librarian in the mix ...

You could also google such as terms as ejaculation control and male multiple orgasm. This site pops up both times:

"Learning how to lengthen the arousal and erection period while delaying orgasm is an important part of maximizing enjoyment from sex. As the erection proceeds, the physical sensations become increasingly more and more exciting, and the psychological pressure to ejaculate becomes more and more intense. It is essential to learn how to keep the stimulation just below the level required for ejaculation, while learning to deal with the increasing psychological pressure to ejaculate. The psychological pleasure becomes more and more intense, the longer the arousal can be maintained without ejaculation, but the greater the enjoyment for the man. Developing these skills and dealing with the psychological desire to ejaculate for as long as possible requires practice. Women usually require a somewhat longer period of time to become fully aroused, so being able to delay orgasm potentially increases the enjoyment of sex by both partners."

Male sexuality explored

Male multiple orgasm

[coleflowers]

1 hour masterbating? WOW...that's impressive.

I am confused on how the experiences you have after masterbating have anything to do with developed pc muscles? Does this allow you to go a longer period of time masterbating? I am wondering because I have really developed pc muscles, but have never had an experience similar to what you are describing. Perhaps it is different in males and females?

[Shamou]

If masturbation was an effective tool for growth, I would have been a genius millionaire at the age fourteen...

.

[Interpreneur]

Originally Posted by Shamou

If masturbation was an effective tool for growth, I would have been a genius millionaire at the age fourteen...

.

But you eventually made it Shamou...so now we know for sure that practice makes perfect!!

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Interpreneur

But you eventually made it Shamou...so now we know for sure that practice makes perfect!!

Heck... maybe I should start giving seminars on that and make another bundle...

.

[Christian223]

Coleflowers, r u female? (males and females work different, so yes its different, check out the links given above), developed pc muscles allow us to last longer by making us able to control and impede ejaculation, and it also makes our orgasms more and more intense and strong, wich is all nice, but, the thing i described lasted for a couple of days, wich was very unusual from the common sexual release one feels after masturbation, the thing is that the time you spend is not important, but as openeyes as said, it seems that you must be multiorgasmic to achieve that, i still have to try it though, i didnt have time to do it today...yet

[coleflowers]

Yes, I'm female.

Having developed pc muscles is important for females (childbirth, bladder control, increased pleasure in sex, etc.). Thanks for explaining what it does for males to have developed those muscles.

Also, as a person capable of having multiple orgasms, I have never had the feelings you expressed following said orgasms.

Have you ever had this experience following partner sex? Personal development can be an aspect of two people having sex, so I would assume that masturbation would also be an aspect of pd.

[Christian223]

No problem its also good for harder erections and a slight increase in size, it also has a funny side effect, if we have really well developed pc muscles we can literally move our organ (because contracting the muscles pump blood very rapidly to it).

Also, i think that it helps to decrease the refractory period dramatically, so even if you ejaculate you can go on and on without loosing desire...

I didnt try with with a parter, im sure it would be a lot better though.

I tried to do it once again today, and i got to reach a couple of "waves", i didnt last long enough (to have a really poewrfull multiorgasm at least), maybe 4 or 5 times (maybe because i had a few normals orgasms before it), it was incredible, fiiiuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!, i feel veeery happy now and i cant avoid to smile (my skin feels very soft too, mhh), i think the more waves you ride, the powerfull the effect, i have to practice more, but it was quite nice, i got to admit though, that i tried to consciously do it before but i never quite understood how to do it, now that i reviewed it again and i understand it, i would never ever go back!, you should really try it!!!!.

[openeyes]

Originally Posted by Christian223

I didnt try with with a parter, im sure it would be a lot better though.

Indeed. Though I often take breaks from having intercourse (in part to avoid pregnancy/STDs, but also because I've found that few women can please me as well as I or another man can), since studying Taoist techniques ~8 years ago I've used it a number of times with others. The most obvious benefit is that premature ejaculation is a non-issue: you can essentially go as long as you want, not having to worry about wearing out before your partner has a chance to be satisfied.

Sex can be measured in hours rather than minutes if you like. Men are often inclined to fall asleep or stop once they ejaculate. Desire fades. In this case sex really does become energizing rather than draining. Just be sure to mix things up a bit rather than doing 4 hours of constant thrusting (one's partner may not enjoy such an experience very much, no matter how much lubrication is used).

With the particular method I studied, PC exercises and breath control were just the basic techniques. For someone open to esoteric exercises energy circulation is also taught (and this is the part where it gets into spiritual cultivation). Rather than just dealing with multiple orgasms, instruction is given on expanding the orgasm to encompass the whole body. One can just scratch the surface of the method and be quite happy with it, while it's possible to go much deeper than I've bothered to so far.

[XeutonMojukai]

I'm familiar with the energetic effect from a non-consummated orgasm, if you will.

I've learned to do it, and I've learned to harness it with only thoughts.

Just turn yourself on (not hard for guys to do if they have good imaginations).

Now, send all your consciousness down south.

Spend as long as needed just building up what would seem to be lust.

Once you have decided to stop, visualize all that hot blood going out all over the rest of your body, as if it were a second heart.

And you'll discover that your entire Self is invigorated.

I did this before taking the SAT, and got in the 95th percentile, at least.

~ David

[John Hill]

and moving right along after the wonderful experience of masturbation is the next salubrious pleasure in life and one to open your mind even further sexercise

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by John Hill

and moving right along after the wonderful experience of masturbation is the next salubrious pleasure in life and one to open your mind even further sexercise

This is what I get when I open your link...

Not Found

Sorry, but you are looking for something that isn't here.

.

[Gordon]

Originally Posted by Shamou

This is what I get when I open your link...




.

Maybe the guy was too tired to put it up after all that sex.....lucky barsteward.

G

[John Hill]

oops, thanks Shamou and Gordon for your insightfulness, I think I have fixed that link problem.

Perhaps try Sexercise now and see if it works for you.

Cheers,
John

[Christian223]

Nice article

I did some more research on orgasms and i have also been experimenting, i also tried to do it without touching myself, it seems that thats what has to be done as Xeutonmojukai said, and i also belive that this is exactly what i did years ago without really knowing what i was doing, ill try to say it again so it is more clear, and i insist, you should really really try it.

There is a kind of orgasm that gets you tired, it happens when you pass that limit of exitement, and after it you feel tired, what you want is to stay away from tiredness, so you must avoid reaching that limit, instead you should work towards staying in the exitement "phase".

So, think in what you need to do to pass that limit, what you do is estimulate constantly as you feel the desire for orgasm increase until it happens, so, what you should do is try to stay in that level of exitement and pleasure, not by estimulating, but trying to maintin it, not letting it fade, and not adding too much, keep that energy there flowing in you, thats the way to energize yourself, and remember, do not go over the limit, or else youll feel tired, this will probably require practice and self control, but the results are totally worth it, good luck.

[Iksander]

I always found that while masturbating, if I stop just before ejaculation and wait about a minute then start up again, repeating the process until I can't stand it anymore - generally gives me much more powerful and pleasureful orgasms.

Foreplay with partners has a role in this too I believe, if you 'play' with each other for a period of time (without either one losing interest) it makes the sex exponentially better.

I noticed with my ex-girlfriend, whenever we had sex and I would stop just before she would climax - the end result was much more powerful when I actually did finish her.

I suppose the root chakra kind of acts like a capacitor - the more charge you pump into it (ie keeping the connection open longer and building the desire through foreplay, with yourself or partner) the more energy there is to release - and the more extended (and smooth) that release will be, as evidenced by Christian's multi-day high.

Sometimes it is too easy to get locked into 'masturbation as a habit for relief' rather than a 'ritual for connecting with your sexual power'.

[z3100668]

My perspective is that it is wrong, not in any religous or moral perspective. But jerking off is satisfying primal desires, and getting a quick fix, just like binging on KFC, or smoking marjuana, or smoking, or surfing youtube for hours on end. I'm incredibly suprised how many of the pple in the forum are supporting it. There's no doubt in my mind that it has a negative aspect on personal growth, added to this the jerk off is less attracted to their partner (psychology studies), and promotes the use of pornography which is degrading to women.

[AidanMatthews216]

Originally Posted by z3100668

But jerking off is satisfying primal desires, and getting a quick fix, just like binging on KFC, or smoking marjuana, or smoking,

Or breathing, or eating, or drinking water...

or surfing youtube for hours on end.

The difference is that surfing youtube does not give you an orgasm... it just makes you bored.

I'm incredibly suprised how many of the pple in the forum are supporting it. There's no doubt in my mind that it has a negative aspect on personal growth,

Like what?

[Max Power]

I see masturbation as self love. I've been doing it since I was 11 or 12, I enjoy all of my creations including myself.

You have to love yourself before you can love anyone else.

I think Jesus said that, he probably masturbated too, maybe that's why they stuck him on the lower case 'T'

I'll probably go to hell for that remark Lucky for me I don't believe in that

Max

[Iksander]

@z3100668:

Damn dude, what do you do when you don't have a girlfriend? Sounds like you have some old Victorian sexual repression issues.

Marijuana, in my opinion, is not at all inherently bad... The brain has Cannabinoid Receptors, even though THC isn't naturally secreted by the brain - a similar substance that causes similar effects is. (a good Wiki article on it is here: THC)

Occasional smoking with good company really makes for some good memories (around a camp fire while camping, with some slow guitar being played in the background...), so I fail to see the harm in it with disciplined use. I actually think it does have a positive effect on my personal development in those instances, because my enjoyment of the company and surroundings is heightened; I often have very deep and philosophical conversations under the influence of marijuana.

While I agree that any state or experience should not be dependent on a substance - the substance itself will have a very specific and unique signature that can be a positive addition to similar states that are elicited through direct and deliberate states of consciousness NOT under any sort of external influence.

[Christian223]

z3100668 you may be right to some degree, but you also miss-interpret this whole thing because of ignorance, and i say this because what we have been taking about is not about the satisfying of primal needs, but to use sexual pleasure to be more better human.

I have read this in another site, keeping away from ejaculation, wich is just like satisfying hunger, makes us more human, because no animal has that capacity of increasing and utilizing sex in such an energizing way, instead animals just follow their instinct, they try to ejaculate very quickly, thus not really using the full power that sex offers, some people also, just like animals and because of ignorance, masturbate/have sex to reach ejaculation and orgams, wich is what our bodies asks us to do, but if we gain control of ourselves we can really use all this power and energy to our advantage, and its not a primal thing anymore, its a way of really get to know more about life, to enjoy your life more, to be more loving, to have more energy and to be have more peace, thats far from the normal "quick fix".

Edit: about pornography, i try to stay away from it because of my religion, but, it would be anyway a bad idea because over estimulating your senses, specially your imagination, really can get you quicker to orgasm, wich is not what we want here, its better to concentrate fully on your body, and not use imagination or images, that way its much easier to control yourself.

[Erki]

Originally Posted by Christian223

Edit: about pornography, i try to stay away from it because of my religion, but, it would be anyway a bad idea because over estimulating your senses, specially your imagination, really can get you quicker to orgasm, wich is not what we want here, its better to concentrate fully on your body, and not use imagination or images, that way its much easier to control yourself.

Well...the whole thing should work with a partner too and partner can be quite stimulating at times...