Good Fats

[ginkgo]

I saw on the vegan article about a baby where someone said that people need omega 3 and 6 fatty acids which are fats. I saw a supplement that has omega 3, 6 and 9. I feel people need all 3. I had never heard of omega-7. Have you? Then I tried gac fruit juice and found that gac fruit contains omega-7 fatty acids. Research has showed that these fats help you to burn fat faster and lose weight.

[Minsc]

Omega 3 and 6 are the only ones that are essential..

You need both, and should try to get them in around equal ammounts, since Omega6 is better than 3 at some things and vice versa...
(I mean that you can have, say, twice as much of one than the other)
(the average is 6 times Omega6 than 3, and most foods have more Omega6)
Omega6 is inflammitory.

You can produce Omega9 in your body, so I'm not sure if you need it.

[openeyes]

Originally Posted by Minsc

(the average is 6 times Omega6 than 3, and most foods have more Omega6)
Omega6 is inflammitory.

You can produce Omega9 in your body, so I'm not sure if you need it.

That's why many people just supplement with omega 3, as the ideal omega 6:3 ratio is 3:1 or less, and for most people it is 6:1 or more.

[escapee]

Omega6 is inflammitory

I used to be certain about that until i read the following ...

http://www.brianpeskin.com/efa-analysis.pdf

As one of the world’s leading nutritional scientists, MA Crawford, states
in Prostaglandins Leukot Essent Fatty Acids 2000 Sep;63(3):131-4, in an article
titled “Commentary on the workshop statement. Essentiality of and recommended
dietary intakes for Omega 6 and Omega 3-fatty acids,” “I have some
difficulty with the statement on the need to reduce LA (parent omega 6) of
the diet because ‘This is necessary to reduce adverse effects of excess of arachidonic
acid (AA-an EFA derivative) and its eicosanoid products.’ Linking
LA and AA in this way also implies a direct conversion of LA to AA, which
is not the case. In fact, a very high dietary LA will reduce membrane AA.
Also, I have some difficulty with the concept of a unitary ratio [1:1] when
there is clear disunity [significantly GREATER omega 6] in the biological
activities of the different parent and LCP (long chain polyunsaturated)
EFAs. Hence the concept of omega 6/3 ratios based on activity equality
between omega 6 and 3 does not reflect the biological reality.”
Professor Crawford clearly understands how much more parent omega 6 is
used in tissue and biochemical activity than parent omega 3. The American diet
provides much more parent omega 6 than parent omega 3. Our analysis adds
in the factor that the majority of the omega 6 in the modern diet is processed
(ruined); therefore, that we need “a little extra” of the organic, unprocessed
parent omega 6 to overpower the processed, adulterated (damaged) omega 6
found in numerous supermarket and restaurant products.

AA is critical. Don’t let anyone tell you that parent omega 6 causes a
“problem” in excess AA production. Arachidonic acid (AA) is a critical biochemicalcomponent, and occurs in virtually every cell we have! It is the
building block of the most potent anti-aggretory (“helps blood thinning”)
agent known (prostacyclin). This omega 6 derivative also inhibits platelet
adhesion (a natural “blood thinner). AA helps SOLVE vascular problems
as a response to injury in a fashion like cholesterol. So once again, just like cholesterol, the “problem solver” is incorrectly blamed as the cause of the
problem. There is always a balance between opposing forces. For example,
one biological substance increases blood pressure and another one decreases
blood pressure. Even though we frequently hear the terms good and bad,
there is no “good” or “bad.” There is only complementary function. We must
ensure our bodies have enough biochemical substances to ensure both effects
can be carried out automatically.

[Uplift]

Vegetarians usually don't get DHA in their diet either. Unlike the fish oil omegas which are rich in it, the usual plant sources of omega 3, including flax are lacking it. There is a cheap, good vegetarian source from algae, by Deva nutrition.

[escapee]

Vegetarians usually don't get DHA in their diet either. Unlike the fish oil omegas which are rich in it, the usual plant sources of omega 3, including flax are lacking it. There is a cheap, good vegetarian source from algae, by Deva nutrition.

UdoErasmus.com > Interviews - Umahro Cadrogan on Glass vs Plastic issues in Oil Production...

Dr Fat man Udo has a diffferent opinion with regard to controversy surrounding the conversion of ALA to DHA. what say you (i'm just sharing info here ) ?

HT: Is it true that the body cannot convert the seed oil n-3 (ALA) to the fish oil n-3 fats EPA and DHA?

That’s what I’ve called a fishy fish story. When I began to work with seed oil n-3 fats 20 years ago, I often heard that the body is unable to convert the seed n-3, ALA to fish n- 3s, EPA and DHA. But after spending six years researching fats for my Ph.D., it turns out the only thing on which critics agree is that some human bodies may be unable to convert enough ALA to EPA and DHA.

HT: Which is to say that these critics are hedging their hedge with another hedge.

All of which is pure speculation! (Laughs) In fact, all human populations are genetically able to produce the enzymes necessary for the conversion to take place. The Hindu culture is vegetarian, eats no fish or fish oils, and other than small amounts of clabbered milk used for its content of probiotics, eats no animal foods at all. Yet their brains contain just as much DHA as that of fish eaters. And their vision, another indicator, is just as good. Sperm requires DHA for fertility, and a DHA-poor diet would result in people who are deaf, blind and sterile. They would not reproduce, and their genes would be lost from the gene pool.

[Uplift]

What say me escapee? Sounds good to me, good info, worth looking into. Some people claim to be able to 'prove' the opposite regarding the conversion thing, but you present a compelling case. Good on ya!.

[ginkgo]

I do know that omega 3 and 6 reduce the size of fat cells ( see Good and Bad Fats on this site), but the omega 9 (olive oil is good source) reduce the number of fat cells. Above site has the source. Also research with olive oil directly shows that it helps people to be thinner than those without it and to have less heart attacks and strokes.

Many swear by flaxseed with omega-3 and I use it but many health experts swear by olive oil and that is a good source of omega-9. Even Dr Fat man Udo says to add olive oil to his expensive perfect oil mix. Maybe in the future they will find that the omega-7 in gac juice is better than the rest. BTW, gac fruit has 80 times the lycopene that is in tomatoes.

[Uplift]

Yeh, olive oil is one of the richest source of flavonoids too, which is another controversial can of worms, but which I feel is a major deficiency in most diets.

[escapee]

Also research with olive oil directly shows that it helps people to be thinner than those without it and to have less heart attacks and strokes.

That's because virgin olive oil is probably the only commercial oil in the market that does not subject to heavy processing that destroy most of the omegas and important nutrients like flavonoids. In addition, our body can synthesize omega 9, so it's not considered as essential nutrients .

http://www.brianpeskin.com/efa-analysis.pdf

If there is insufficient unprocessed parent omega-6, experiment shows that the cholesterol structure will incorporate oleic acid (non-essential
omega-9) instead.30 Physical-chemical experiments show that linoleic acid
(parent omega-6) can bind twice as much oxygen and disassociates at a
much higher pressure, much closer to hemoglobin, than oleic acid does.3
Oxygen disassociation curves for oleic acid compared with linoleic acid,
omega-6, show a 50% reduction in oxygen transfer, given EFA deficiency.32