Vegans - Do you eat Eggs and Honey?

[joey m]

When it comes to carb ( especially starch based )

It's either you burn it or wear it.

You don't really believe that do you? Refined flours and refined sugars are clearly unhealthy and lead to weight gain by numerous pathways. But, raw carrots, raw greens etc. -- those are all rich in carbs and will not lead to weight gain. An excess of any macronutrient leads to weight gain -- not just carbs. If you wanted to say refined carbs lead to weight gain, I'll agree. But when you say all carbs, that is just incorrect.

Best,

Joey

[escapee]

If you wanted to say refined carbs lead to weight gain, I'll agree. But when you say all carbs, that is just incorrect.

I used the words "starch based" and "refined" on my posts. Wear your glass.

An excess of any macronutrient leads to weight gain

Carbs are simply a more efficient fuel when it comes to providing energy. A high carb diet is important when you have an active lifestyle (eg: marathon) to support the energy requirement. However, when there arent used up due to sedentary lifestyle , there are easily stored as saturated fats on almost every parts of your body. This is why Atkin diet is so successful when it comes to short term weight loss. The diet may or may not be healthy for long term but it has proven one critical point. Excessive carbs (esp concentrated/refined forms - There are fast ) are to be blamed for most of the obesity related illness of the modern world. Furthermore, are you likely to eat a big plate of pasta or fats ?

[escapee]

We even have a few books called

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Amazon.com: Eat Fat, Lose Weight: Books: Ann Louise Gittleman

[joey m]

I love your posts, Escapee. It is like you speak your own language -- maybe we should call it "Escapish." I would like to introduce you to two tools called spell check and grammar check -- it would help others to understand your messages.

I'm guessing what you were asking for me to do is look closer at that message of yours I quoted:

When it comes to carb ( especially starch based )

It's either you burn it or wear it.

I don't see "refined" here (even with my "glass" on), and it doesn't say exclusively starch based it says "especially." This means other carbs always put on weight too. Well, as I said before, this is unfounded and not true, other than to the extent that extra calories in general will put on weight regardless of which macronutrient it is (e.g. carbs, fat or protein).

The reason Atkins is so successful is partly because it forces people to eliminate the refined carbs out of their diets. Also, with the restriction in carbs, people lose water weight. The question is do they lose fat, though, because that is what is important.

Best,
Joey

[Uplift]

One of the main problems in western cultures is that the fruits and vegetables have been 'bred' into high carb, nutrient deficient varieties. The original sources, that is the original grains, fruits and vegetables are nutrient dense and contain a lot less carbs. Even the soya bean is a classic example. The original bean wasn't any thing like the present. You don't have to be a Rhodes Scholar to see the marketing and profiteering advantage of such tactics. Plus the shelf life has been altered, further enhancing marketability and profit, due to reduced storage and transport costs. Personally it doesn't affect me, but there is no denying the obesity epedimic, and the all out marketing blitz on children. I just think our society as a whole should protect it's children. Having said all of the above, exactly the same tactics have been used on animal products. However the manufacturers just can't compete on the overall cost, variety, storage and transport issues, and thus marketability and profit suffer.

So, 'carbs rule! Fund another experiment to 'prove' it!'

'Crunchy Schlunks have been proven to lower obesity and contain even less than .0000000001 gms of fat. Olympic champions rely on Schlunks to win gold, and they contain low glycemic carbs, which in a scientific study conducted by the prestigious University of Wherever, have been proven to burn fat and leave you and your family bubbling with energy all week long. The added calcium ensures your kiddies bones will develop properly, and the rich, chocolatey and caramel flavour (from 'healthy' fructose and natural 'sucrose' will have them coming back for more!!!!'

The horrendous thing about the above dribble is that it is actually toned down, and it that it actually works.

[ZoFlies]

Originally Posted by free spirit

As a vegan, i am in a quandary about these two food items. At the moment I eat honey, but only the best quality organic honey. I do not eat eggs. However, I am finding it hard to justify to myself why I dont eat eggs. I think I have lost my motive for not eating them.

I would be grateful if you could respond to this topic with your current eating habits, and why?

Thanks

This is all such a personal choice. I would recommend doing some research on the egg industry. It can be done humanely but often is not even when it says it is. I also do not feel good supporting the egg industry until, as a whole, it is radically different.

Peace.

[NotesMaeve]

Oh, watch "Meet your Meat." That's enough reason not to eat eggs, unless they're happy eggs.

Honey is not vegan. If it comes from an animal, it is not vegan. Then again, it seems healthy and I don't exactly stay up crying over the exploitation of bees. This is why I like veg*nism. Reasonable.

[votoshka]

I am not a vegan (although I have contemplated becoming a vegan, and briefly experimented with veganism), but I would definitely say that eggs are NOT vegan.

To me, disgusting as it may sound, an egg is a chicken fetus...and as such is more "animal" than animal products like milk!

As far as "killing" things for consumption. I know of some people who only eat harvestable fruit and vegetable products. This mean they only eat things that don't kill the plant (a grapefruit would fit in this category as the actual plant itself survives). So, these are people who wouldn't eat carrots or potatoes for example...

I guess you just have to choose how comfortable you are with the choices you make in your own life!

[openeyes]

Originally Posted by votoshka

To me, disgusting as it may sound, an egg is a chicken fetus...and as such is more "animal" than animal products like milk!

Few if any chicken eggs sold commercially outside of health stores or maybe farmer's markets are fertilized, so no fetus can develop. Otherwise you could incubate it and get a little chick.

[Addict]

Can someone explain to me why this thread exists?

The definition of vegan, to my understanding, is someone who does not consume animal products.

[{aspiring_to_clarity}]

The definition has become muddled by folks who claim to be vegan and then eat an omlet or who claim to be vegetarian and then eat chicken. That's why labels suck. Maybe we should ask people to start saying "I'm vegan according to the definition of the word."

[Dan.Linehan]

Originally Posted by Addict

Can someone explain to me why this thread exists?

The definition of vegan, to my understanding, is someone who does not consume animal products.

True story.

[NotesMaeve]

Originally Posted by {aspiring_to_clarity}

The definition has become muddled by folks who claim to be vegan and then eat an omlet or who claim to be vegetarian and then eat chicken. That's why labels suck. Maybe we should ask people to start saying "I'm vegan according to the definition of the word."

YES.

The only time I can see this being hard to understand is in the case of something like diet soda, where most sweeteners were tested on animals, but contain no animal product. Not sure if that's vegan since it was tested on them?

[{aspiring_to_clarity}]

Maeve, I think those outlying areas are a little gray. There could be arguments either way that would be worth the debate. I can even see honey. But eggs for vegans and chicken for vegetarians, that's just making ish up!

[douglasbedford]

for the most part vegan and vegetarian are labels. if your not happy being within that label then dont be.

Being a vegan does not make you some type of deity...you wont walk on water and you wont see the future.

me personally i am a vegan.
my reason for being vegan is I was i vegetarian and i figured eating fish and eggs was just as dirty (hormones , mercury, etc) as eating meat.

Side note is i have a pair of leather shoes and a belt and i hear their is animal bone in soap and tooth paste and i hear gasoline is made of animal fossils.

does that make me a monster or hypocrite?

I guess to some but i am happy.

all i am saying is eat honey if you want but dont torture yourself so you fit into someone else's definition on who you should be.

[aabbcc]

Regarding honey: from what I understand, when harvesting the honey from the hives, many beekeepers take all of it and don't leave any for the bees. The bees then starve over the winter and die. Even when the beekeepers truly care for their bees and leave them honey, some bees are invariably killed [accidentally] during the harvesting. These are a couple reasons why vegans don't consume honey.

Also, and correct me if I am wrong, honey is a regurgitated product, is it not? So it actually comes right out of the bees, like milk from a cow. Thus, it definitely would not be a vegan product.

Free spirit, if you want to eat honey and eggs, why not do so and be a vegetarian? Nothing wrong with that if it's what feels right for you at present.