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bdog · 12-19-2011, 02:44 AM

lol relax, relax.

I thought it would be interesting to open up a thread in this forum about the social conditioning's around the area of diets.

Here is a big one: Just because the raw food diet is a biggie in personal development nowadays many people blindly accept it as true. Same thing with the paleo diets. Alkaline diets.

Many people function different on different diets and you should be open but couscous. I know people who felt like crap on a raw food diet, yet others who felt wonderful. Same with almost every diet you can think of.

Why is this? Well I don't know. I bet beliefs have something to do with it.

Anyhow discuss

Fred Tracy · 12-19-2011, 02:54 AM

I tend to believe in something I've been hearing a lot about lately, which is called intuitive dieting.

Basically, whatever your body is hungry for, you eat. Of course, it takes training and a bit of discipline to get away from craving fast food and the like, but once that happens and you get set on healthy mode you can generally follow what your body craves.

The idea is that people thousands of years ago didn't have nutritionists or all these pop-diets, yet they survived.

Works for me anyway. If I see a dip in my health, or when I get a bit older, I may look into it, but I definitely won't be choosing any particular "diet" - all just eating well, lots of fruits and veggies and the like.

GuyJeb · 12-19-2011, 02:18 PM

bdog,
I think that people feel like crap on raw food diets or even paleo diets because they are going through withdrawls from whatever addiction they were on. The body needs to get used to new foods, and if your eating a super high Fiber Raw food diet, you are eliminating Toxin's, Guaranteed. During that time, most people wont be feeling their best, but it's sooo helpful for cleaning the body.
However, if this went on for months, then yes I would agree that a persons belief could be the cause of why they feel great or horrible on a diet.

I agree with Fred on intuitive diets. The body tells the brain what it needs, but this only works when the foods we choose are whole foods. Its amazing how stuff like HFCS has the ability to bypass leptin, which eventually kills your hunger response mechanism in the brain with ghrelin.

I highly recommend the presentation done by Robert Lustig about Sugar and HFCS. In it, he shows how 1 glass of OJ, 1 shot of Whiskey, 1 can of Coca-cola are almost all processed the same in the body. It's pretty amazing what we've done with our food over time.

bdog · 12-20-2011, 12:57 AM

Interested! Where did you guys here about this?

learnalifetime · 12-20-2011, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by GuyJeb

bdog,
I think that people feel like crap on raw food diets or even paleo diets because they are going through withdrawls from whatever addiction they were on.

I can confirm this. I've added 2 green smoothies (raw) to my daily food intake for a while. I got a cold and even got a fever by adding just those 2 green smoothies. After a month or so I started feeling better. After 6-8 weeks I had a lot more energy than before.

If you're going to switch to a 100% raw food diet I guess the symptoms will be much worse, but the outcome will be better.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GuyJeb

I highly recommend the presentation done by Robert Lustig about Sugar and HFCS.

I never even heard of HFCS before, so I'm going to check out the link. Thanks!

Roby · 12-20-2011, 08:24 AM

Eating raw fruits and vegetable sis not that bad, i agree that cooked foods are delicious but raw foods are meant for people who are over weight who like to reduce their weight. It is proven many times, that raw foods are more healthier than cooked and junk foods.

AllTogetherNow · 12-20-2011, 08:25 AM

Quote:

should be open but couscous???

hahahahahahahahaha

learnalifetime · 12-20-2011, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roby

Eating raw fruits and vegetable sis not that bad, i agree that cooked foods are delicious but raw foods are meant for people who are over weight who like to reduce their weight. It is proven many times, that raw foods are more healthier than cooked and junk foods.

So if I want to add 10 pounds I should eat raw?

bdog · 12-20-2011, 04:37 PM

Hey I actually wasn't talking about withdraw/detox symptoms. These people were on the diet for a good 6 months or so.

I also never said it was bad, i'm just opening you guys up to the social conditioned aspects of the diets. Just because people say its the best, doesn't mean its the best for you.

For all you guys know i'm on a raw food diet right now and feel wonderful, or I can be on another diet. I didn't share that intentionally.

Agota · 12-20-2011, 06:06 PM

I get what you're saying and I think it's a good point.

People in personal development often think that they're independent thinkers who are gradually breaking free from social conditioning, but the truth is that we often end up with simply changing mainstream social conditioning to personal development social conditioning. You can see it not only with nutrition, but with other hyped up things as well, like early rising, not having a job, poliamory etc. What's the difference between blindly accepting mainstream ideas and blindly accepting non-mainstream ideas?

cheesedip1 · 12-20-2011, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by learnalifetime

I never even heard of HFCS before, so I'm going to check out the link. Thanks!

HFCS is garbage for the human body.

st33med · 12-20-2011, 08:14 PM

By the way, HFCS stands for high fructose corn syrup. It's a sweetener and not a carb that the body can regularly digest. The kidneys break it down and that can essentially wear them out and your body out, too, if too much is involved.

Try limiting the amount of hfcs you digest and look on the ingredient labels for them. For example, non-natural Mott's applesauce has it. So buy the natural Mott's applesauce.

learnalifetime · 12-20-2011, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st33med

The kidneys break it down and that can essentially wear them out and your body out, too, if too much is involved.

So they break the kidneys down

I think my intake of it is very low, because all product I eat/drink are natural. i.e. I make orange juice my self and never buy it pre made.

st33med · 12-20-2011, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by learnalifetime

So they break the kidneys down

I think my intake of it is very low, because all product I eat/drink are natural. i.e. I make orange juice my self and never buy it pre made.

Most OJ isn't sweetened. I believe it would be too sweet for even my taste buds to stand.

I drink soda with hfcs. I usually drink a bottle or less a day, sometimes none. Also, Pepsi and Coke have natural sugar cola out there, and I have a case of it in my car right now. Getting myself off that stuff is good.

bdog · 12-20-2011, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agota

I get what you're saying and I think it's a good point.

People in personal development often think that they're independent thinkers who are gradually breaking free from social conditioning, but the truth is that we often end up with simply changing mainstream social conditioning to personal development social conditioning. You can see it not only with nutrition, but with other hyped up things as well, like early rising, not having a job, poliamory etc. What's the difference between blindly accepting mainstream ideas and blindly accepting non-mainstream ideas?

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12-19-2011, 02:44 AM	#1 (permalink)
bdog Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 69	Social Conditioned Dummies lol relax, relax. I thought it would be interesting to open up a thread in this forum about the social conditioning's around the area of diets. Here is a big one: Just because the raw food diet is a biggie in personal development nowadays many people blindly accept it as true. Same thing with the paleo diets. Alkaline diets. Many people function different on different diets and you should be open but couscous. I know people who felt like crap on a raw food diet, yet others who felt wonderful. Same with almost every diet you can think of. Why is this? Well I don't know. I bet beliefs have something to do with it. Anyhow discuss

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12-19-2011, 02:54 AM	#2 (permalink)
Fred Tracy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 717	I tend to believe in something I've been hearing a lot about lately, which is called intuitive dieting. Basically, whatever your body is hungry for, you eat. Of course, it takes training and a bit of discipline to get away from craving fast food and the like, but once that happens and you get set on healthy mode you can generally follow what your body craves. The idea is that people thousands of years ago didn't have nutritionists or all these pop-diets, yet they survived. Works for me anyway. If I see a dip in my health, or when I get a bit older, I may look into it, but I definitely won't be choosing any particular "diet" - all just eating well, lots of fruits and veggies and the like.

12-19-2011, 02:18 PM	#3 (permalink)
GuyJeb Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 6	bdog, I think that people feel like crap on raw food diets or even paleo diets because they are going through withdrawls from whatever addiction they were on. The body needs to get used to new foods, and if your eating a super high Fiber Raw food diet, you are eliminating Toxin's, Guaranteed. During that time, most people wont be feeling their best, but it's sooo helpful for cleaning the body. However, if this went on for months, then yes I would agree that a persons belief could be the cause of why they feel great or horrible on a diet. I agree with Fred on intuitive diets. The body tells the brain what it needs, but this only works when the foods we choose are whole foods. Its amazing how stuff like HFCS has the ability to bypass leptin, which eventually kills your hunger response mechanism in the brain with ghrelin. I highly recommend the presentation done by Robert Lustig about Sugar and HFCS. In it, he shows how 1 glass of OJ, 1 shot of Whiskey, 1 can of Coca-cola are almost all processed the same in the body. It's pretty amazing what we've done with our food over time.

12-20-2011, 12:57 AM	#4 (permalink)
bdog Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 69	Interested! Where did you guys here about this?

12-20-2011, 08:24 AM	#6 (permalink)
Roby Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 22	Eating raw fruits and vegetable sis not that bad, i agree that cooked foods are delicious but raw foods are meant for people who are over weight who like to reduce their weight. It is proven many times, that raw foods are more healthier than cooked and junk foods.

12-20-2011, 04:37 PM	#9 (permalink)
bdog Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 69	Hey I actually wasn't talking about withdraw/detox symptoms. These people were on the diet for a good 6 months or so. I also never said it was bad, i'm just opening you guys up to the social conditioned aspects of the diets. Just because people say its the best, doesn't mean its the best for you. For all you guys know i'm on a raw food diet right now and feel wonderful, or I can be on another diet. I didn't share that intentionally.

12-20-2011, 06:06 PM	#10 (permalink)
Agota Family Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Barleylands, United Kingdom Posts: 1,257	I get what you're saying and I think it's a good point. People in personal development often think that they're independent thinkers who are gradually breaking free from social conditioning, but the truth is that we often end up with simply changing mainstream social conditioning to personal development social conditioning. You can see it not only with nutrition, but with other hyped up things as well, like early rising, not having a job, poliamory etc. What's the difference between blindly accepting mainstream ideas and blindly accepting non-mainstream ideas?

12-20-2011, 08:14 PM	#12 (permalink)
st33med Family Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,829	By the way, HFCS stands for high fructose corn syrup. It's a sweetener and not a carb that the body can regularly digest. The kidneys break it down and that can essentially wear them out and your body out, too, if too much is involved. Try limiting the amount of hfcs you digest and look on the ingredient labels for them. For example, non-natural Mott's applesauce has it. So buy the natural Mott's applesauce.

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