Humans Are Meant To Be Plant Eaters

[superfoodist]

Hey everyone!! Just came across a new article which proves how humans are natural plant eaters. I encourage you all to check it out, and then decide whether incorporating any new diet changes into your life are necessary.

http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/natural.html

After you read that, there's also another writing from a theosophist named C.W. Leadbeater, called "Vegetarianism and Occultism" which I highly recommend you check out as well.

You can read that one here : Theosophy: Vegetarianism and Occultism by C.W. Leadbeater : LeadbeaterAndBesant.org

Good luck, and I look forward to see all your replies!

[russianrocket]

i think you misunderstand the meaning of the word "prove".

[russianrocket]

And just to invalidate that ENTIRE article.

Human small intestine length is 22 feet , which is NOT 10-12 times body length, unless you are a migit. No, not even then.

Which means, human intestines, are actually 3-4 times body length, which puts us in the carnivore category.

END THREAD, because the rest of that article, is equally as wrong.

[superfoodist]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

And just to invalidate that ENTIRE article.

Human small intestine length is 22 feet , which is NOT 10-12 times body length, unless you are a migit. No, not even then.

Which means, human intestines, are actually 3-4 times body length, which puts us in the carnivore category.

END THREAD, because the rest of that article, is equally as wrong.

He addresses people like you in the very beginning of the article. It's unfortunate you missed that part :/ Try harder.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by superfoodist

He addresses people like you in the very beginning of the article. It's unfortunate you missed that part :/ Try harder.

And it's unfortunate that you are listening to some cheesy website, that STARTS with blatantly incorrect information about the human anatomy, BEFORE it gets to section about addressing "people like me". Someone THAT wrong, doesn't deserve the courtesy of my time and effort. That is literally one of the biggest arguments used when it comes to us being omnivore or herbivore, and there he is, presenting that propaganda, that all us " meat eaters" have heard, and disproved, over and over again.

[superfoodist]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

And it's unfortunate that you are listening to some cheesy website, that STARTS with blatantly incorrect information about the human anatomy, BEFORE it gets to section about addressing "people like me". Someone THAT wrong, doesn't deserve the courtesy of my time and effort. That is literally one of the biggest arguments used when it comes to us being omnivore or herbivore, and there he is, presenting that propaganda, that all us " meat eaters" have heard, and disproved, over and over again.

You assume that "length" means "height". Length can mean from the ground, to the higher point of an animals back when he's on all fours, or perhaps since you take it to mean "height", it could also just as fairly be seen as "width".

You're proving that his article is right more then anything by ignorantly trying to make one point (which you had wrong to begin with) to justify your meat eating behaviors. Please, learn the terminology of different measurements, then come back and reread it.

[russianrocket]

Also, the most common cause of choking death, is not even food, so there he goes being completely wrong AGAIN.

And if you want to talk about the most common food that is choked on, then the list starts off with hot dogs, , and then goes on to list fruits and veggies as the other foods most people choke on. And the reason most people choke, is because they rush through eating food. When I eat steak, I usually swallow down pretty large chunks, and have never had trouble once. But, my animal products are very undercooked.

And then it goes onto tell us how meat causes everything from heart disease, to diabetes, when those things have already been dis-proven.

This is such a horribly biased article, it really is hard to read for anyone that has any intelligence. Seriously, open your eyes. You are more likely to die from the nuclear war you fear, then from the meat you fear.

[elucidate]

Oh not again

*slaps hand on forehead*

Look, eating lots of veg is good for you, and eating a bit of meat is good too for many people.

Can we just leave it at that, or is this the eternal debate that goes nowhere?

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by superfoodist

You assume that "length" means "height". Length can mean from the ground, to the higher point of an animals back when he's on all fours, or perhaps since you take it to mean "height", it could also just as fairly be seen as "width".

You're proving that his article is right more then anything by ignorantly trying to make one point (which you had wrong to begin with) to justify your meat eating behaviors. Please, learn the terminology of different measurements, then come back and reread it.

I know exactly what length means, when they are describing the things they are. Because, I can easily check the lenght of other animals compared to their intestines, and those turn out right. But the second they talk about humans, they are wrong. Even if it was from the ground, to the high point of our backs when we are on all fours, they'd STILL be wrong, because even then, we are still smack dab in between the carnivore and omnivore category on HIS chart. And really, you think it could mean width?

Seriously, you are telling me that my point is wrong, by playing with semantics? My point is 100% right on the money, and you haven't proven anything.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by elucidate

Oh not again

*slaps hand on forehead*

Look, eating lots of veg is good for you, and eating a bit of meat is good too for many people.

Can we just leave it at that, or is this the eternal debate that goes nowhere?

When these misinformation filled propaganda websites get brought to the surface of an already argued to death debate, then we'll have an eternal debate about it lol. how can there be anything else, when people disagree so vehemently about something that is so important?

[superfoodist]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

Also, the most common cause of choking death, is not even food, so there he goes being completely wrong AGAIN.

And if you want to talk about the most common food that is choked on, then the list starts off with hot dogs, , and then goes on to list fruits and veggies as the other foods most people choke on. And the reason most people choke, is because they rush through eating food. When I eat steak, I usually swallow down pretty large chunks, and have never had trouble once. But, my animal products are very undercooked.

And then it goes onto tell us how meat causes everything from heart disease, to diabetes, when those things have already been dis-proven.

This is such a horribly biased article, it really is hard to read for anyone that has any intelligence. Seriously, open your eyes. You are more likely to die from the nuclear war you fear, then from the meat you fear.

Deaths associated with choking in San Diego c... [J Forensic Sci. 2007] - PubMed - NCBI

Once again, wrong. The most common cause of death is probably not food, but in THIS case, we are talking primarily about food, and when it comes to food, the most common cause of death is choking on meat.

Sorry guy, you just keep turning out wrong and wrong over and over again. I'm not going to respond to you in anymore threads because you
consistently remain ignorant of facts.

Have a great life

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

When these misinformation filled propaganda websites get brought to the surface of an already argued to death debate, then we'll have an eternal debate about it lol. how can there be anything else, when people disagree so vehemently about something that is so important?

Roger Rocket...

I'll let you get back to what you do best then.

Don't you get a bit sick of it though?

[superfoodist]

Originally Posted by elucidate

Oh not again

*slaps hand on forehead*

Look, eating lots of veg is good for you, and eating a bit of meat is good too for many people.

Can we just leave it at that, or is this the eternal debate that goes nowhere?

It would go somewhere if people were willing to look at the evidence and THEN decide whether eating an omnivorous, or a pure herbivorous diet was better for you.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by superfoodist

Deaths associated with choking in San Diego c... [J Forensic Sci. 2007] - PubMed - NCBI

Once again, wrong. The most common cause of death is probably not food, but in THIS case, we are talking primarily about food, and when it comes to food, the most common cause of death is choking on meat.

Sorry guy, you just keep turning out wrong and wrong over and over again. I'm not going to respond to you in anymore threads because you
consistently remain ignorant of facts.

Have a great life

Really?

I've never heard of anyone, besides a person with severe disabilities, choking to death on meat before. I don't even think people with severe disabilities would either since they probably wouldn't even eat it as it would be too risky.

Are you sure this is as common as you are suggesting?

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by superfoodist

It would go somewhere if people were willing to look at the evidence and THEN decide whether eating an omnivorous, or a pure herbivorous diet was better for you.

I guess it all depends on where you get your information from.

There's a lot of misinformation out there, so people are so used to being fed the wrong thing and then finding out later that it's wrong...see the soy bean fiasco.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by superfoodist

Deaths associated with choking in San Diego c... [J Forensic Sci. 2007] - PubMed - NCBI

Once again, wrong. The most common cause of death is probably not food, but in THIS case, we are talking primarily about food, and when it comes to food, the most common cause of death is choking on meat.

Sorry guy, you just keep turning out wrong and wrong over and over again. I'm not going to respond to you in anymore threads because you
consistently remain ignorant of facts.

Have a great life

In case you missed it, I specified that the most common choking on food, occurs from hot dogs, which is a meat PRODUCT. It is barely considered meat tho, and your article is based on one single county. It didn't say that the most common choking death is meat, but meat products. There are many meat products that are easy to choke on, and can easily skew any data.

After hot dogs, would be carrots, and then apples. So, what it proves, is that food that is not cut properly, can be choked on, even if it's not meat related. So, when are you going to tell us how hazardous eating carrots and apples is? Or how about nuts? Because nuts come right after apples.

And then, 65% of the people who choked, were either on sedatives, or had some type of physical issue that caused them to choke. it doesn't say how or why they choked either. The way evolution used to work, is people who can't eat, die off. Now that we help every single person, you are going to have many people who have physical issues, that prevent them from doing normal things.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by elucidate

Roger Rocket...

I'll let you get back to what you do best then.

Don't you get a bit sick of it though?

I live a very boring life lol so while I do get sick of it, it's still something to pass the time. It's escapism.

[IvyW]

Originally Posted by superfoodist

Deaths associated with choking in San Diego c... [J Forensic Sci. 2007] - PubMed - NCBI

Once again, wrong. The most common cause of death is probably not food, but in THIS case, we are talking primarily about food, and when it comes to food, the most common cause of death is choking on meat.

Sorry guy, you just keep turning out wrong and wrong over and over again. I'm not going to respond to you in anymore threads because you
consistently remain ignorant of facts.

Have a great life

you can choke on an apple & die though:/ i love both raw whole foods & meat. I have never once choked on either.. but i also chew my food...

[superfoodist]

Originally Posted by elucidate

Really?

I've never heard of anyone, besides a person with severe disabilities, choking to death on meat before. I don't even think people with severe disabilities would either since they probably wouldn't even eat it as it would be too risky.

Are you sure this is as common as you are suggesting?

Well, something like choking to death on meat isn't something that would captivate the masses on the news, so you won't hear about it in the media.

If you're saying you've never heard of anyone choking to death on meat in your personal circle though.. Well, I've never heard of anyone in my personal circle that has slipped in the bathtub and died, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen :P

I guess it all depends on where you get your information from.

There's a lot of misinformation out there, so people are so used to being fed the wrong thing and then finding out later that it's wrong...see the soy bean fiasco.

I completely agree with you. But as the author of the article stated in the beginning, you have to look at which side has the MOST evidence. Both sides will of course have certain logical points that are correct, but it's the side with an overwhelmingly amount of evidence that is correct, not the side with 2-3 unstable points.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by IvyW

you can choke on an apple & die though:/ i love both raw whole foods & meat. I have never once choked on either.. but i also chew my food...

If anything, it's easier to choke on an apple or carrot, then eating meat, because an apple is very hard, and won't just squeeze through. As you said, if you chew your food even a little, then there is no chance of choking. And if you are choking, then it's you or your body that is at fault, and not the food you are eating.

[superfoodist]

Originally Posted by IvyW

you can choke on an apple & die though:/ i love both raw whole foods & meat. I have never once choked on either.. but i also chew my food...

You absolutely can. That's not the point the author of the article was trying to make though. He's saying that carnivorous animals don't choke on meat. Not that herbivorous creatures don't choke on herbivorous foods :P

[elucidate]

I think anything you eat that isn't chewed properly can be a risk to choke on. Some vegies are pretty stringy, and those little bits can get caught in your throat if you're not careful. I've choked on fruit before, but not meat.

Overall though, most people live their whole lives without choking to death on their food.

Hair is another matter.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by superfoodist

You absolutely can. That's not the point the author of the article was trying to make though. He's saying that carnivorous animals don't choke on meat. Not that herbivorous creatures don't choke on herbivorous foods :P

We aren't, and no one has ever suggested, that we are carnivores! They were designed not to have to chew their foods. There is no point of the author even bringing it up, escape as a way to make meat look bad.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by superfoodist

If you're saying you've never heard of anyone choking to death on meat in your personal circle though.. Well, I've never heard of anyone in my personal circle that has slipped in the bathtub and died, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen :P

No, I'm saying I've never heard of it period.

I completely agree with you. But as the author of the article stated in the beginning, you have to look at which side has the MOST evidence. Both sides will of course have certain logical points that are correct, but it's the side with an overwhelmingly amount of evidence that is correct, not the side with 2-3 unstable points.

How about just experimenting with different diets, and as an individual, decide for yourself what works best for YOUR body, instead of just going along with what the "experts" say.

Some people work better and feel better after eating meat. You can't tell them that their body is lying, can you?

[russianrocket]

If you want a very unbiased source of information, from someone who actually shows evidence, then check out
Vegetarians and Heart Disease: Will Ditching Meat Really Save Your Arteries? Raw Food SOS: Troubleshooting on the Raw Food Diet


But seeing how you think that the eating meat side, only has 2-3 unstable points, while your side, has mountains of evidence, I'm sure you'll just dismiss it all as her being ignorant, the way you accuse me of being.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

I live a very boring life lol so while I do get sick of it, it's still something to pass the time. It's escapism.

Everyone's got to have a hobby I guess. Yes, escapism is good to a degree. And hey, looks like i'm joining in the eternal debate...again.

[Shift]

I find that when both sides have evidence, it's a sign that both sides have a point. It's also why this argument will never end in a win/lose. Evidence will always be refuted, even if it's a single point. That alone will be enough to dispel the entire article.

My thoughts are that everyone is different. Some people can handle a more acidic diet, some can't. I function much more effectively on a high alkaline diet (more vegi's and fruit). I've seen some vegans who look like they're ready to die at any moment.

[firenexx]

This thread is dumb.

Life exists on a spectrum, from lower-order organisms (like algae, parsnips, shellfish, and bugs) to higher-organisms (such as mountain lions, us, and God.)

Depending on where you are on that spectrum, you might derive your energy from different points along the spectrum, or from non-life sources (i.e. the sun, or heat vents at the bottom of the ocean.)
You might eat
-Lower order organisms, such as algae, plants or prey if you are a predator in a food chain.
-Higher order organisms, such as flies if you are a venus fly-trap or mountain lion if you are a housecat who happens to get real lucky in a fight.

Humans are funny creatures; some people like that Zechariah Stitchin guy think that aliens genetically engineered us and put us here and built the pyramids. That's probably a load of baloney.

There are a lot of physiological traits that can be used to label us as herbivores, carnivores, or herbivores. It gets very confusing. What do I think? I think that since we have a brain, we can choose to eat whatever the hell we want to eat, provided that we get the proper nutrition.

There is really no need to get anymore complicated than that. Vegetarians simply choose to get their food energy from a point lower on the "life form spectrum," for various reasons that their brains think are important. If you remember back to highschool biology, you will remember stuff like the pyramid of bioavailability and the food chain and the food web and ♥♥♥♥ like that.

Remember, there are people who claim to get their energy only from air and the sun. These people are lunatics. They are limiting their source of energy to a point extremely low on the spectrum, to a gross physical force.

So, it's more about basic metaphysics and biology than physiology, since we have a huge brain and a technologically marvelous body.

[superfoodist]

Originally Posted by firenexx

Humans are funny creatures; some people like that Zechariah Stitchin guy think that aliens genetically engineered us and put us here and built the pyramids. That's probably a load of baloney.

Don't bring Zecharia Sitchin into this!!!!!

lol I happen to think his ancient astronaut theories are on point :P I started reading his "End of Days" book and it seems to line up with everything quite well.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by firenexx

This thread is dumb.

I agree.