Cooked food gives more energy to the human

[waterfast]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

Yeah, and that's why it's so great, that humans aren't carnivores.

But while on that subject.

Parrots are omnivores, some of which get a very large part of their diets from meat.

Turtles also eat other animals.

There is sooo much more to it, then what you have posted. There are short lived herbivores and long lived carnivores.

You also didn't show us anything about our digestive tracts compared to other animals. Aside from saying we aren't cows or cats, which I 100% agree with.

I didnt show you any pictures of our tracts because I didnt want to gross everyone out.

It should suffice it to say that Carnivores have shorter digestive tracts which are designed this way so that the meat passes more quickly, in about 8 hours.

Human digestive tracts are much longer, about 40ft, and meat tends to lag inside us 24hrs+, which allows the meat to sit in us long enough to release toxins, and can cause complications such as leaky gut syndrome, which allows these toxins to seep into our blood stream and is quite dangerous.

You can also get colon cancer from eating meat for this reason as well.


Meat is certainly not supposed to be our mainstay and we have adapted to be able to eat it in limited circumstances only as a survival mechanism.

But, without fruits and vegetables, you would soon find yourself getting sick.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by waterfast

I didnt show you any pictures of our tracts because I didnt want to gross everyone out.

It should suffice it to say that Carnivores have shorter digestive tracts which are designed this way so that the meat passes more quickly, in about 8 hours.

Human digestive tracts are much longer, about 40ft, and meat tends to lag inside us 24hrs+, which allows the meat to sit in us long enough to release toxins, and can cause complications such as leaky gut syndrome, which allows these toxins to seep into our blood stream and is quite dangerous.

You can also get colon cancer from eating meat for this reason as well.


Meat is certainly not supposed to be our mainstay and we have adapted to be able to eat it in limited circumstances only as a survival mechanism.

But, without fruits and vegetables, you would soon find yourself getting sick.

Carvnivores have digestive tracts about 1-4 times their body length,

and herbivores have digestive tracts 5-10 times their body length

And then you have us, and our digestive tracts are about 20-30 feet long ( not 40, as you claim), which is 4-5 times our body length. . hmmm......

So once again, I must point out that we are NOT carnivores, yet you continue in this conversation, as if anyone has said that we are. Yes, carnivores are better suited for meat, but we aren't carnivores. But we sure are closer to carnivores then herbivores.

Colon cancer due to eating healthy meat, has never been proven, try again.

The forum I showed you, has tons of people eating ONLY meat, and being healthy.

There isn't a single vegan civilization, to base anything on. We have no idea who would live longer. There are also way too many variables.

[kat]

Originally Posted by waterfast

Kat, you said:
"Eat SMALL AMOUNTS of meat and insects..."

That goes hand in hand with eating in emergent situations.

As you can see, you are talking about societies of people that are living in extreme environments, where eating meat is an Emergency Measure. That they are living in these conditions for their entire lives does not mean that it is not an emergency to them. Their dietary options are severely limited and they have very little choice, but to eat raw meat in order to survive.

Hominid Diet - Science Updates - Science NetLinks
The Fossil-Record Evidence about Human Diet

Primates aren't vegan. Early hominids ate a lot of meat and insects. Societies which are nearly-carnivorous have been surviving for quite a long time.

Kenya is hardly devoid of fruit, but the Massai traditionally don't eat it.

Societies around the world consider meat and often insects to be delicacies.

I choose not to eat meat, and I prefer not eating meat. But that's absolutely no reason to blind myself to the history of my species, and to the preferences of most of my contemporaries.

Originally Posted by waterfast

You are much more likely to die of food poisoning from eating Rotten Meat, than Rotten Fruit.

Meat also spoils more quickly than Fruits and Vegetables.

Sure. However, you said "This is why many different kinds of Fruit and Veggies, Kill Bacteria, Viruses and Parasites as well as Fungus." - I was addressing that, not claiming that spoiled meat is good for you.

Originally Posted by waterfast

Oh, I'm sure it wouldn't take an absolute emergency to convince me to eat, Seal BRAIN. Caribou LIVER, and Whale SKIN.. Mmm KELP, just what I always wanted.

I like a bit of kelp, personally.

Originally Posted by waterfast

I prefer to eat:
Apples and Almonds
Oranges and Cashews
Mangoes and Pecans
Pomegranates and Walnuts
Bananas and Young Coconut

As do I. But I don't pretend that people will fall over dead if that's not what they do.

Originally Posted by waterfast

Humans did in fact evolve primarily as Fruitarians.

Our digestive tract is the same as that of a Fruitarian.
We do not have four stomachs like Cows, that can eat Grass.
And we do not have short tracts like Cats, that can eat Meat and expel it before it PUTREFIES.

Nope.
What Comparative Anatomy Does/Doesn't Tell Us about Human Diet
Overview of Digestive System Morphology in Primates and Humans
Quantitative Analysis of Gut Morphology in Primates/Humans

Originally Posted by waterfast

You said, "some people THRIVE AS RAW VEGANS."

Don't sell yourself short and make excuses for Meat Eating when you know in your heart that eating Fruits and Vegetables is what was responsible for our Evolution into the Smartest Animal on Earth.
Humanity's 5000 Years of Alzheimer's is no excuse to forget who we really are.

Ch12. The Lives of Early Hominids

The personal swipe does not merit a response.

[kat]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

Carvnivores have digestive tracts about 1-4 times their body length,

and herbivores have digestive tracts 5-10 times their body length

And then you have us, and our digestive tracts are about 20-30 feet long ( not 40, as you claim), which is 4-5 times our body length. . hmmm......

So once again, I must point out that we are NOT carnivores, yet you continue in this conversation, as if anyone has said that we are. Yes, carnivores are better suited for meat, but we aren't carnivores. But we sure are closer to carnivores then herbivores.

Colon cancer due to eating healthy meat, has never been proven, try again.

The forum I showed you, has tons of people eating ONLY meat, and being healthy.

There isn't a single vegan civilization, to base anything on. We have no idea who would live longer. There are also way too many variables.

We should thank waterfast. It's odd to find you and I in agreement.

[waterfast]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

Carvnivores have digestive tracts about 1-4 times their body length,

and herbivores have digestive tracts 5-10 times their body length

And then you have us, and our digestive tracts are about 20-30 feet long ( not 40, as you claim), which is 4-5 times our body length. . hmmm......

So once again, I must point out that we are NOT carnivores, yet you continue in this conversation, as if anyone has said that we are. Yes, carnivores are better suited for meat, but we aren't carnivores. But we sure are closer to carnivores then herbivores.

Colon cancer due to eating healthy meat, has never been proven, try again.

The forum I showed you, has tons of people eating ONLY meat, and being healthy.

There isn't a single vegan civilization, to base anything on. We have no idea who would live longer. There are also way too many variables.

Well, I have heard 40 ft before but I looked it up right now and its at least at 30ft, not 20ft.

And yes, our tract is definitely longer than that of a Carnivore's.

Nature knows the length it chose and why, and even if the difference is only one or two body lengths, this is enough to allow them to eat meat and to give us a clue what is going on and why we should avoid it.

Also, do not underestimate the effect that eating meat has on lifespan.

Think about how Tuna has a higher mercury content than fish that are lower in the food chain. This should clearly indicate to you that Carnivores have a much higher exposure to Dangerous Toxins and this dramatically lowers their lifespan.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by waterfast

Well, I have heard 40 ft before but I looked it up right now and its at least at 30ft, not 20ft.

And yes, our tract is definitely longer than that of a Carnivore's.

Nature knows the length it chose and why, and even if the difference is only one or two body lengths, this is enough to allow them to eat meat and to give us a clue what is going on and why we should avoid it.

Also, do not underestimate the effect that eating meat has on lifespan.

Think about how Tuna has a higher mercury content than fish that are lower in the food chain. This should clearly indicate to you that Carnivores have a much higher exposure to Dangerous Toxins and this dramatically lowers their lifespan.

Way to completely ignore the point of my post, and go back to your anti meat propaganda.

[waterfast]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

Way to completely ignore the point of my post, and go back to your anti meat propaganda.

So you honestly think that a meat eating baby with high levels of mercury exposure accumulation throughout its life will live as long as a..

Cute, Lovable, Cuddly, Smiling, Laughing, Happy, Healthy Vegan Baby eating pure organic Fruits and Veggies?

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by waterfast

So you honestly think that a meat eating baby with high levels of mercury exposure accumulation throughout its life will live as long as a..

Cute, Lovable, Cuddly, Smiling, Laughing, Happy, Healthy Vegan Baby eating pure organic Fruits and Veggies?

wow, is all I can say to that post. That is such a biased loaded anti meat question, it's not even funny. I can't even tell if you are being serious, or just trolling to get me to respond in an abrasive manner.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by waterfast

The most long lived animals on the planet are the ones that eat nothing, but plants.

Herbivore Life Spans:
Turtle 100 years.
Parrot 100 years.
Elephant 80 years.

By the way, I'm the forum's resident expert on wildlife.

The longest-lived bird is actually the turkey buzzard, a species of vulture that not only loves meat, but also meat of the somewhat rotting kind.

As for turtles, it depends on the species, but many eat like the Japanese. They enjoy seafood such as crabs and jellyfish.

Other longevity champions include the tuatara (a carnivorous reptile), the bowhead whale (200+ years, on krill alone) and the koi fish (extremely omnivorous, eats vegetation as well as other fish).

[russianrocket]

rotten meat is eaten all over the world, by many very healthy and long lived cultures. So any argument against it, is moot.

The forum I linked has an entire area for people who eat rotten meat.

Here is a video of one.

Eating high meat - YouTube

[russianrocket]

Bowhead whale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The bowhead whale. lives 150-200 years, and is a carnivore.

[ButterflyWoman]

Greenland Sharks are believed to live up to 200 years, and they're definitely carnivorous. Koi can live about that long, as well (and they eat other fish and will eat each other, so not just carnivorous, but cannibalistic, too).

[jn15]

I've been a fairly committed vegan for the past 8 years, and roughly 25-50% of my diet has been cooked grains or vegetables. At various times, I've also experimented with non-vegan diets that added in cooked fish and eggs.

However, whenever I go 2-3 days eating 100% raw vegan food, I always notice a big boost in energy. Just my 2 cents. I've never eaten raw meat or eggs, but I know that cooked meat doesn't seem to give me as much energy as raw vegan foods.