Why Do You Wear Makeup?

[FelineNostalgia]

Mariana trench I love your avatar!

Beingist would you not even opt for longshort hair, like at least two inches growth

[Beingist]

Originally Posted by codenamesmiley

No, but we do all have to pull that wad out of our asscrack after a shower that resembles what you would pull out of your brush when you are done using it. Just me? ok then. (you all know you wanted to say this!)

Um ...

... I have no response to this.

[Beingist]

Originally Posted by FelineNostalgia

Beingist would you not even opt for longshort hair, like at least two inches growth

In all honesty, I'd love to, as I say, because I think I look good in long hair (which has been confirmed by women I've known).

It's just such a pain. Smiley reminded me of the wads of hair in the brush. It once also caught fire while I was working on a stove.

[FelineNostalgia]

Originally Posted by codenamesmiley

No, but we do all have to pull that wad out of our asscrack after a shower that resembles what you would pull out of your brush when you are done using it. Just me? ok then. (you all know you wanted to say this!)

Hahahaha can't say I share the same experience

On the plus side you must have a thick luscious head of hair

[FelineNostalgia]

Originally Posted by Beingist

In all honesty, I'd love to, as I say, because I think I look good in long hair (which has been confirmed by women I've known).

It's just such a pain. Smiley reminded me of the wads of hair in the brush. It once also caught fire while I was working on a stove.

XD XD

ach but even a wee bit, to keep the top of your ears warm

My boyfriend once announced that he may cut his hair, I was like nooo I'm not ready for this! What will I run my fingers through and put under my nose to pretend I have a moustache

[Mariana Trench]

Originally Posted by FelineNostalgia

Mariana trench I love your avatar!

Thanks! Cado's my lovey and Somnium Dico took the picture, so they get credit too.

[ZephyrusX]

I feel sort of clownish in makeup too. I sometimes wonder whether there is an underlying issue with feeling uncomfortable being dressed up in a traditionally feminine way. May be. I think when it really comes down to it though, I just can't be bothered to put makeup on.

RE: Special events - I don't typically wear overly feminine clothing either, and yet, I've thrown on dresses during special events - weddings, my dad's funeral. I sort of feel like it is expected, but don't really want to. *scratches head* May be I'll show up in jeans and a sweat shirt during the next special event.

Originally Posted by CoolBee

Why DON'T I wear it? (a) can't be bothered (b) feel like a clown if I do - went to one of those make up 'beauty playgrounds' in Selfridges Department Store once and had a free makeover - afterwards, I went to the Ladies' loos and joined the 10s of other women frantically scrubbing off their makeovers!

[ZephyrusX]

Trevor: I'm just curious - Now that you have received some criticism on your blog post, how do you feel about the issue now? I don't venture forth into blogs very often, but when I do, the author seems to using the medium mainly as a way of speaking at people rather than as a medium to facilitate communication between author and audience. I find this disappointing. I would really like to hear how our criticism changes the way you think.

[Criseyde]

Originally Posted by Beingist

Yes, to be sure, most of it did fall back down again. I thought all of it did, until after a while, I noticed all the hair collecting on the ceiling.

Maybe, also, my hair was just thinning, and that's where it ended up?

I'm not going to lie, I almost have a hair fetish in regards to women--I absolutely love long hair. And, I've been told I look great with it, myself, which is why I grew it out a few years ago. But it's more a pain for me. As a guy, I know well how to be lazy, and I'd rather just not have to worry so much about my hair.

I've had long hair (hips+) for the last 6-7 years (I can't remember exactly when it got down to my hips), and I have done a lot of things with it, but never have I ever had to pull it off the ceiling.

Originally Posted by codenamesmiley

No, but we do all have to pull that wad out of our asscrack after a shower that resembles what you would pull out of your brush when you are done using it. Just me? ok then. (you all know you wanted to say this!)

Me too. Also cut it off the vacuum rollers, physically remove it from drains, and in the past mine was long enough that I had to move it out of the way to use the toilet.

[momo3bur]

Originally Posted by CoolBee

went to one of those make up 'beauty playgrounds' in Selfridges Department Store once and had a free makeover - afterwards, I went to the Ladies' loos and joined the 10s of other women frantically scrubbing off their makeovers!

BAHAHAHA! In my junior year in highschool I made Junior Dutchess for homecoming (I have NO idea how...I think they ran out of people to take the spot) and my mother hired a lady to do my makeup professionally for the pictures.

I HAVE HAZEL EYES...like straw colored eyes...and the woman put BRIGHT blue eyeshadow all over me, reddish lipstick, red blush. It was AWFUL!!!!!

My mother was very impressed and said it would look good in pictures, though, and threatened my life if I washed it off so I had to wear this hideous clown makeup for one of the most prominent moments of my highschool career. I still can't stand to see the pictures. My dad even drove in from Dallas to escort me and if you had seen the look on his face when he saw me, you would have peed your pants from laughter.

Anyway, I soooo know how this feels. LOL.

[neilpage]

I am lucky, that much need for make up I don't need.
I wear mascara every day, to bring my eyes out and Lip gloss to make my pretty lips even pretty "plus they feel better".
I don't feel as though I am hiding.

[OptimistPrime]

Personally I don't care whether a woman wears makeup when she goes out, as long as she has healthy self-esteem.

I do have one question, though, for the straight women here: would you consider it impolite if your boyfriend asked you to take off your makeup if you were just hanging out at home together and he wanted to make out with you without your lipstick, etc. smudging off on him?

And lol about the long hair fetish stuff. The reason I wear my hair short is because when it gets longer than like 3", I can't sleep at night because my head and neck feel too hot (even in the New England winter!) and it starts tickling my ears and stuff. How do you people with long hair, especially those of you living in much hotter climes than I do, put up with the heat!?

Also, I think women with short hair are underrated. Pageboy and pixie cut hairstyles are usually made of win, in my opinion.

[Cado]

Originally Posted by Mariana Trench

Thanks! Cado's my lovey and Somnium Dico took the picture, so they get credit too.

I hit the mother$^&%ing jackpot.

That is all.

[aelle]

Originally Posted by Criseyde

What makes you think feminists don't want those things?

In my corner of the world, it's conservatives who are against it, not liberals.

Remember that ridiculous outrage about the J Crew photo shoot where a boy got his nails done? Fox News slams J. Crew for photo of boy wearing pink nail polish | The Mommy Files | an SFGate.com blog

Originally Posted by Mariana Trench

Re: feminism and double standards that effect men. Feminists are the ones generally -for- men being able to cross whatever gender boundaries they want--it's just the focus is on how the standards effect women legally and socially. Don't complain because women haven't fought hard enough for your right to transgress gender boundaries. If you want that, -you- go out and get it (ie. make a stink about and argue for it, face the social consequences til it is acceptable), we're behind ya.

Right on. Just to touch on that one more time, the traditional concept of masculinity is built in negatives - being manly is about not being a fag and not being a sissy girl (it also has ableist and classist implications under the range of "not being weak, physically and mentally" and "not being a loser", but not so neatly summed up in a single slur). It's exclusionary by definition, of the kind of exclusions that feminists have been working to bring down.

But now that what it means to be gay and what it means to be a woman are being redefined to be more free and inclusive, the definition of masculinity collapses. I do think it's one of the great next tasks of feminists, in particular male feminists, to reclaim masculinity and redefine it in a positive, inclusive manner. One that will allow you to wear skirts and makeup if you feel like it, because why the ♥♥♥♥ not?

A few activists working on the topic:
Tony Porter: A call to men | Video on TED.com
The Performance of Masculinity

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by OptimistPrime

Personally I don't care whether a woman wears makeup when she goes out, as long as she has healthy self-esteem.

I do have one question, though, for the straight women here: would you consider it impolite if your boyfriend asked you to take off your makeup if you were just hanging out at home together and he wanted to make out with you without your lipstick, etc. smudging off on him?

And lol about the long hair fetish stuff. The reason I wear my hair short is because when it gets longer than like 3", I can't sleep at night because my head and neck feel too hot (even in the New England winter!) and it starts tickling my ears and stuff. How do you people with long hair, especially those of you living in much hotter climes than I do, put up with the heat!?

Also, I think women with short hair are underrated. Pageboy and pixie cut hairstyles are usually made of win, in my opinion.

I've never ever ever liked that short hair style on women. It's RARE that I'd find one attractive. She'd have to have the total package to pull that off, in my eyes.

[OptimistPrime]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

I've never ever ever liked that short hair style on women. It's RARE that I'd find one attractive. She'd have to have the total package to pull that off, in my eyes.

Yeah, that was my point. I don't understand why so many guys have a predilection for long hair.

[alexthegirl]

I wanted to comment on the post that referred to women at the gym with tons of makeup on - I wear makeup during the day and go to the gym after work. I'm not going to take all of my makeup off specifically to go to the gym; that would be as silly as putting makeup on specifically to go to the gym.

I am a chick that adores makeup, shoes, clothes, etc... I love being feminine. I love expressing and amplifying my femininity. It's good for my soul. Besides, whatever people's motivations for certain behaviors or habits (known or unknown motivations) should not have to be subjected to "right" or "wrong" by other people. That is like telling someone their feelings are right or wrong. Or opinions. We're all entitled to them, but there is no finite "right" or "wrong" answer to anything, really. You may disagree with me here, but hey, that is why opinions are so great!

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by alexthegirl

I wanted to comment on the post that referred to women at the gym with tons of makeup on - I wear makeup suring the day and go to the gym after work. I'm not going to take all of my makeup off specifically to go to the gym.
; that would be as silly as putting makeup on specifically to go to the gym.

I am a chick that adores makeup, shoes, clothes, etc... I love being feminine. I love expressing and amplifying my femininity. It's good for my soul. Besides, whatever people's motivations for certain behaviors or habits (known or unknown motivations) should not have to be subjected to "right" or "wrong" by other people. That is like telling someone their feelings are right or wrong. Or opinions. We're all entitled to them, but there is no finite "right" or "wrong" answer to anything, really. You may disagree with me here, but hey, that is why opinions are so great!

I'm usually in the gym in the morning or mid day. That's not after work. And, most of these ladies look perfect, and not like they've been working for the last 9 hours. And it's usually a good amount of makeup.

[Criseyde]

Originally Posted by OptimistPrime

And lol about the long hair fetish stuff. The reason I wear my hair short is because when it gets longer than like 3", I can't sleep at night because my head and neck feel too hot (even in the New England winter!) and it starts tickling my ears and stuff. How do you people with long hair, especially those of you living in much hotter climes than I do, put up with the heat!?

Put it up?

[Beingist]

Originally Posted by OptimistPrime

Yeah, that was my point. I don't understand why so many guys have a predilection for long hair.

Predilection, yes, but it's not always a requirement.

As rr suggested, you rather have to look at the whole package. Women understand that more often than men, I think, but some men get it, too.

[alexthegirl]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

I'm usually in the gym in the morning or mid day. That's not after work. And, most of these ladies look perfect, and not like they've been working for the last 9 hours. And it's usually a good amount of makeup.

I just wanted to defend myself I suppose - I almost always plan to go to the gym in conjunction with other errands or after work. Would I roll out of bed and go to the gym, come home and get ready for the day? Yup, done it. Generally though, the gym is my last stop. But really, IMHO, it's nobody's place to have to make people feel the need to defend themselves for how they choose to present themselves to the world, at the gym or otherwise. My two cents.

[OptimistPrime]

Originally Posted by Criseyde

Put it up?

While you're sleeping?

Originally Posted by Beingist

Predilection, yes, but it's not always a requirement.

That's fine, but I still don't get the appeal. I especially fail to understand it when I hear certain guys tell middle-aged women to keep their long hair or grow their short hair out to look younger. Long hair usually makes a middle-aged woman look older to me.

And just to clarify, I'm not suggesting that people should or should not feel a certain way, or that I'm superior or anything for feeling the way I do. I just genuinely find it fascinating how much one's tastes and feelings can diverge from (what can appear to be) the norm, at least when it comes to some things.

Originally Posted by Beingist

As rr suggested, you rather have to look at the whole package. Women understand that more often than men, I think, but some men get it, too.

Are you suggesting that I don't take into account how short hair fits in with the rest of a woman's features/traits when gauging how attractive I do or do not find it to be? Or was that just a general statement?

[Criseyde]

Originally Posted by OptimistPrime

While you're sleeping?

Um... you can, I don't see why not. Put it in a braid, or two if you want to keep it off your neck. Two ponytails if you don't want braid waves or if your hair is too short to braid. Or put it in a topknot, or a high ponytail. I just put mine up over the pillow.

[OptimistPrime]

Originally Posted by Criseyde

Um... you can, I don't see why not. Put it in a braid, or two if you want to keep it off your neck. Two ponytails if you don't want braid waves or if your hair is too short to braid. Or put it in a topknot, or a high ponytail. I just put mine up over the pillow.

Cool, thanks for explaining.

[Beingist]

Originally Posted by OptimistPrime

That's fine, but I still don't get the appeal. I especially fail to understand it when I hear certain guys tell middle-aged women to keep their long hair or grow their short hair out to look younger. Long hair usually makes a middle-aged woman look older to me.

Personally, I've never told any woman, even a girlfriend, what she should do with her hair. As you mentioned, it really boils down to self-esteem, and if shorter hair gives a woman more self-esteem, it's possible that she'll be all the more attractive for it.

And just to clarify, I'm not suggesting that people should or should not feel a certain way, or that I'm superior or anything for feeling the way I do. I just genuinely find it fascinating how much one's tastes and feelings can diverge from (what can appear to be) the norm, at least when it comes to some things.

I wasn't thinking otherwise, myself.

Are you suggesting that I don't take into account how short hair fits in with the rest of a woman's features/traits when gauging how attractive I do or do not find it to be? Or was that just a general statement?

No, I was just expressing my own observation and my own tendency to really consider the whole package, and not any single aspect of a woman's looks or character. Yes, I love long hair, but I've found some women highly attractive who've had short hair, also.

(Edit: Come to think of it, the last time I was rejected for a date, it was a girl who had short hair.)

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by OptimistPrime

While you're sleeping?


That's fine, but I still don't get the appeal. I especially fail to understand it when I hear certain guys tell middle-aged women to keep their long hair or grow their short hair out to look younger. Long hair usually makes a middle-aged woman look older to me.

The older a women gets, the more masculine her features become. Short hair, will make them look older and manlier. While long hair will make everything flow much smoother, as well as taking attention away from the face. Not to mention, the short hair cut usually signifies a womens age. So even if they don't "look" older, they are perceived as older. Too much effort to maintain long hair after 50 years of doing so.

[OptimistPrime]

Originally Posted by Beingist

Personally, I've never told any woman, even a girlfriend, what she should do with her hair.

Nor I.

Originally Posted by Beingist

As you mentioned, it really boils down to self-esteem, and if shorter hair gives a woman more self-esteem, it's possible that she'll be all the more attractive for it.

Yup. Likewise with longer hair.

Originally Posted by Beingist

I wasn't thinking otherwise, myself.

Ah, good.

Originally Posted by Beingist

No, I was just expressing my own observation and my own tendency to really consider the whole package, and not any single aspect of a woman's looks or character. Yes, I love long hair, but I've found some women highly attractive who've had short hair, also.

Okay, cool. When I'm reading something and can't hear the other person's intended tone, I figure it's better for me to just ask if they were hinting at something or not.

Originally Posted by Beingist

(Edit: Come to think of it, the last time I was rejected for a date, it was a girl who had short hair.)

Hehe.

Originally Posted by russianrocket

The older a women gets, the more masculine her features become. Short hair, will make them look older and manlier.

That's true, if you associate short hair with masculinity and long hair with femininity. I'm probably unusual in that I don't, owing to the fact that most of my female relatives and (offline) friends have had short hair.

Originally Posted by russianrocket

While long hair will make everything flow much smoother, as well as taking attention away from the face.

I've never noticed long hair drawing my attention away from someone's face to the point that it affected my perception of how young/old they look. Maybe it's because I don't have a predilection for it.

Originally Posted by russianrocket

Not to mention, the short hair cut usually signifies a womens age. So even if they don't "look" older, they are perceived as older. Too much effort to maintain long hair after 50 years of doing so.

Yes, I imagine that probably is how the guys I was talking about look at it.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Self Exploration

We have a responsibility to make it easy for others to approach us.

Um, no...we don't. If people want to approach us, that's nice, if they don't that's ok, but I don't feel responsable or obliged to make myself a certain way so they do.

I brush my teeth, and I pluck my chin hairs...I'm approachable.

There have been many times in my life where I have actively worked to not be approached, so I don't feel the sense of responsability you mention. Most people I'd be happy for them to stay away. The ones I wouldn't mind approaching me wouldn't care if I wore make up or not.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Beingist

Personally, I've never told any woman, even a girlfriend, what she should do with her hair. As you mentioned, it really boils down to self-esteem, and if shorter hair gives a woman more self-esteem, it's possible that she'll be all the more attractive for it.

I've had nothing but compliments for my 'do' at the moment, and it's pretty short. Mainly from women, granted, but still...

No, I was just expressing my own observation and my own tendency to really consider the whole package, and not any single aspect of a woman's looks or character. Yes, I love long hair, but I've found some women highly attractive who've had short hair, also.

It all depends on the guy I've noticed. I've had some surprising feedback from some men. I seem to have some trouble with not associating it with masculine at the moment though. It was ok at first, but I have been having some moments where I totally hate it and want my hair back...too late now though!

(Edit: Come to think of it, the last time I was rejected for a date, it was a girl who had short hair.)

I've had more dates and attention from men since I shaved my head than when my hair was long...go figure?

[russianrocket]

shaved your head?