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Hi all I thought that you may enjoy this intresting story of how How 1 MILLION Pounds Of Organic Food Can Be Produced On 3 Acres with Aquaponics. 2 great articles on this particular farm doing this right now. How 1 MILLION Pounds Of Organic Food Can Be Produced On 3 Acres. Part 2 - How 1 MILLION Pounds Of Organic Food Can Be Produced On 3 Acres. I think this is an amazing way to take back control of your food sources. There seems to be SO many benifits to this method of cultivating organic veg and it also gives you a supply of fish as well. Other benifits are; •Up to 10 Times More ORGANIC Plants! With aquaponics you place plants closer together on a float system above the water, therefore it fits 10 times more plants in the same space! The roots of the plants are always in nutrient rich water and there’s no over-crowding! •There’s no more weeding! The system removes the need for pain-staking and annoying weeding. You get more freedom and enjoyment! •No more soil pests! The need for pesticides is eliminated, which makes it that much easier for you to have amazing plants and fruit without toxic chemicals. •No More Watering! The aquaponics system uses only 2% of the water normal gardening does. Because the water is constantly re-circulated, and you do not lose any to soil absorption. The roots of your plants are constantly submerged in nutrient rich water and you never have to worry about watering your plants again. If you pay for your water, imagine of how much money this can save you. •Multiple Sources of Income! When you try the aquaponics system yourself, you’ll have more plants than you’ll know what to do with. If you decide to sell your vegetables, guess what.. you also have fish to sell as the aquaponics system produces both plants and fish •Plants Grows Twice As Fast! Plant experts are shocked when they visit aquaponic farms at how fast plants grow. For example, lettuce which takes 60+ days to mature, takes only about 29 days with this system. •You use up to 70% less Energy than conventional gardening! •No More Back-Straining Planting! Planting normally takes a lot of bending over, but not with Aquaponics. Seems like aquaponics can help change the world for the better |
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As a vegetable farmer I can truly say I dislike the idea of not dealing with the soil. Part of what makes my life so amazing is feeding the soil as well as the plants.. perhaps the only thing that would be a positive about this would be less labor and more food, but it would not be all that interesting.
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I wish I could find the article. Mother Earth News published a piece recently about a family in california that was growing something insane like 30k lbs of food on 3/4 acres by doing crop rotation and complimentary planting. I'll have to check out this article too.
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I think that farming should deal with soil and not water. Growing food inside out of necessity (winter, etc) is fine; sometimes hydro/aquaponics has its place. But for large-scale production with minimal use of resources or dependency on an outside manufactured product (fertilizers, equipment, etc), earth is best. Organic food is expensive because big organic farms are labour intensive. Many of them do not use the best techniques so they end up weeding beds by hand. Also, they till the soil, which costs money and ends up ruining the soil in the long run. The cheapest way to get organic food is to grow it yourself, using labour-saving techniques. (If anyone read this before I edited it, I misread a quote and thought RR was referring to organic food being expensive and not spirulina, but I might as well rant about organic food.) Proper mulching eliminates virtually 90% of labor and pests Not only is it labour intensive due to poor technique, it's also a "niche market" at the moment, whereas 200 years ago it was 100% of the market. This aquaponics thing sounds cool but in the end you have to add a nutrient solution into the water... does it really have all the nutrients you need or is it just a run of the mill NPK system? Even organic food doesn't often have the nutritional profile it should, because farmers must use cheap NPK fertilizers rather than relying on organic matter, which is mineral-rich and slow-release. Also, Alex Barboza, you have enough land to grow organic food, I guarantee it. In fact I'd bet my life on it. Throw a couple pots on the porch and plant some lettuce or tomatoes or something. Even if it's winter, you can still grow dino kale/black kale (as long as you bring it inside when it's like -100) or even spinach under a little tent of sheet plastic. In the summer, you can grow tomatoes in pots, or throw a 8-inch layer of mulch/compost over a tiny area in your yard and grow some tomatoes/peppers/eggplant/ whatever. Start a window herb garden; basil and parsley are tremendously easy to grow and full of antioxidants. Compost and mulch are your friends, use them liberally! Last edited by firenexx; 09-28-2011 at 04:24 PM. |
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I mean I guess it depends on the relative output compared to the energy input. I don't think the centralized food system will ever go away entirely, so perhaps this is the way to go (if it's cost-effective) until people go back to pre-WWII days and start growing most of their own food. In soil. Quote:
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True enough, but using mulch on a large scale is A) Pricey and B) Labor intensive...A bale of straw at the very least is $4 and probably costs that to produce it, and really does not go very far..I used 22 Bales of straw to cover an area 3x 250 feet to mulch between my rows of tomatoes this growing season Extrapolate that out to an acre and it will equal 1277.76 bales of straw.. it is ideal to use straw as it is usually weed free. Organic food is expensive because it is labor intensive and sometimes there are no remedies to take care of specific bugs(though I am a low spray farmer and I do just fine without it) which means lower yields. 'For everyone who whines about organic food being too expensive ask yourself a question..are you willing to work about 85 hours a week working your fingers to the bone for little to no money? Do you really think farmers are laughing all the way to the bank? .. | |
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| Greed mostly. Many people don't even understand what spirulina is, thus they are totally willing to fork over way more than it's worth and most Health Food stores will happily take your money and raise the price as high as they can get away with without noticing a dip in sales.
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I use composted leaves and wood chips for mulch. Both of which are available in humongous quantities for free or for very close to free. Sure, it's labor intensive to spread it, but it saves sooo much labor in the future. The benefits that a 6-12 inch layer of mulch provide are outright ridiculous: -Reduce/eliminate soil compaction -Eliminate need for tilling, if wood chips are used -Weeding is easier, and some weeds won't even germinate on top of a thick layer of mulch. When they do, the roots pull out easily -Extend growing season (acts as insulation) -Bottom layer turns into mineral-rich soil after a few months, reducing need for fertilizer, thus reducing $$ and labor. -Greatly improve water retention while simultaneously improving drainage (mulch particulates absorb and store water, while allowing excess to pass by.) This reduces need for irrigation, again, $$ and labor. I don't know, I think bare earth is usually a bad thing and I think there is still a lot to be learned about the most efficient farming methods. Last edited by firenexx; 09-29-2011 at 03:46 PM. |
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In my opinion, Hydroponics is the way to grow food. Less space, less resources, more controlled growing environment. For extremely large amounts though, you need pretty sophisticated systems, or else it won't really work without a lot of labor. | |
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Is spirulina really expensive? A tablespoon of spirulina offers more nutritional value than 8 ounces of spinach or any other dark green leafy vegetable - and costs as little as 60 cents. How much does 8 ounces of fresh organic spinach costs you? Lesson: If you want the most food for your money, buy beans and rice. If you want the most nutritional value, buy spirulina or chlorella. With the money you save, you can buy some more beans and rice. Last edited by stanmrak; 10-14-2011 at 09:08 PM. | |
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I don't compost, but have been looking into it. Trying to figure out a cheap one to buy. Don't know any farmers. I'm not 100% sure what to grow yet. Something I'd eat lol. Probably no root veggies, so I don't need it too deep. | |
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I'm assuming you don't really want to rehab the whole area and soil, but it is possible, too. And if you are concerned about toxins, certain types of fungi will break down petrochemicals into usable organic substances. Quote:
If you find a place that sells local, organic beef (which I'm assuming you'd be interested in anyway), the actual farm is also likely to sell very high quality manure. You can also compost just about any organic material with the right process--including animal products. You'd need to do a little research into "hot composting" and buy a turkey thermometer, but it's very simple once you get the basic concept. Quote:
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Another potentially free source is tree service companies. They go to a job, they take a tree down, and they chip the branches into a dump truck. If they are working in your area, often they will drop the chips off at your house provided it is on the way, and they will often do it for free as they may not have any other use for the chips. (Some companies bring the chips somewhere to be re-ground into a higher quality mulch and then sell it, though.) Also you'd need more than 3" - I start with 6-12 inches and then will add less each year as needed. You generally need less each year as the bottom layer turns to high-quality soil. It is better to do it in the fall. Adding wood ash or lime in the fall is also a good idea along with the chips. Sometimes, for a lower layer, I go around and get curbside bagged leaves in autumn; usually by spring they are rotted if they are under a thick layer of wood chips. Quote:
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A compost pile that does not contain any meat, oils, dairy, or carnivorous animal manure, and is turned every week, will yield black gold in about 6 months in ideal conditions, esp. if it is covered. A compost pile that contains your typical veg/fruit scraps as well as meat, oils, carnivorous animal feces, biodegradable plastic, and is never turned, will yield a load in 1-2 years. It usually does not need to be covered, but a sufficient layer of "browns" (i.e. leaves, chips, dry material) needs to be on top at all times to prevent scavenging animals. You would not put this pile uphill from a garden growing edible food. Many composting guides say to NEVER compost meats, carnivorous animal poop, etc., but they are talking about the quicker style which requires more labor. A year or two is enough to kill any pathogens, unless you live in a poverty-stricken are of Africa and there are roundworms and ♥♥♥♥ going around. Of course, with both styles of pile, you need the proper carbon/nitrogen ratio, which means to add a layer of "browns" over each layer of "greens." Since I just started composting last year, I am doing the first approach so I get a few loads sooner, but I just started a low-maintenance pile (no turning, able to accept a lot more materials) that will give me a huge load about every year. Quote:
Beets don't go too deep, and there are some varieties of carrots that are short and don't require deep, loose soil. You could grow parsnips provided you picked them when they were still young. I will assume that your soil is acidic. Blueberry bushes love very acidic soil. Last edited by firenexx; 11-08-2011 at 02:36 PM. | ||||
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Again, thank you for sharing. We moved our family to Tennessee last year to start growing more/most of our own food. It was a tremendous amount of work to dig out about 3000 square feet of grass - then a lot more work to water and weed. The mulch idea just makes great sense. We've already discovered that even on 5 acres it's tough to produce enough organic "waste" to compost as much as we could use - and honestly we never considered this kind of mulch. Maybe it was a coincidental blessing that the power company was just at our property a week or two ago and I asked them to leave the wood they cut down on our property - they asked if we wanted wood from other places too - and then they asked if we wanted any wood chips. I really had no clue what we'd use wood chips for but I said, "Sure, we'll take some." Now I'm thinking "Bring us everything!" So much to learn . . . Thanks again Quote:
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