Fruits and vegetables only

[cheesedip1]

From a meat-eater perspective, I'm guessing that meat would be healthier than grains. What about from a vegan perspective, tho? Is meat healthier than grains(bread, etc)?

This is a question that greatly intrests me.

[superfoodist]

@russianrocket, You've revealed your level of consciousness. I'm not going to try and convince you anymore that an all fruit/vegetable diet is far more superior than an omnivorous diet in so many ways, because it speaks for itself.

@Coffeegirl, Definitely do your 30 day trial That's all you'll need to see the power of an all fruit/vegetable diet. I wish you luck!!

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by superfoodist

@russianrocket, You've revealed your level of consciousness. I'm not going to try and convince you anymore that an all fruit/vegetable diet is far more superior than an omnivorous diet in so many ways, because it speaks for itself.

@Coffeegirl, Definitely do your 30 day trial That's all you'll need to see the power of an all fruit/vegetable diet. I wish you luck!!

lol sure, enjoy yourself. We can just play, who's level of consciousness is bigger.

I'd rather be perceived as having a low level of consciousness, then to be perceived as misinformed.


You know why people despise vegans? It's that pompous arrogance of " I'm absolutely right, and you are absolutely wrong, and it's all because you're not as consciousness as I am"

Also, 30 days isn't enough to see ANY conclusive LONG LASTING proof of results from ANYTHING. It's enough time to make a habit tho.

[firenexx]

You know why people despise vegans? It's that pompous arrogance of " I'm absolutely right, and you are absolutely wrong, and it's all because you're not as consciousness as I am"

No. You despise superfoodist because he does that. "People" despise "vegans" because they like to stereotype. You are just reinforcing a stereotype. I could make a similar comment about "meat-eaters;" that would just be me reinforcing a stereotype which is a very bad thing to do. Don't make general statements about what you think people think about other groups of people; this is called racism if you're talking about nationality or homophobia if you're talking about sexuality but it's not any better if you're talking about food choices or lifestyle.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by firenexx

No. You despise superfoodist because he does that. "People" despise "vegans" because they like to stereotype. You are just reinforcing a stereotype. I could make a similar comment about "meat-eaters;" that would just be me reinforcing a stereotype which is a very bad thing to do. Don't make general statements about what you think people think about other groups of people; this is called racism if you're talking about nationality or homophobia if you're talking about sexuality but it's not any better if you're talking about food choices or lifestyle.

LOLOL You can't compare race, nationality, and sexuality, to what a person chooses to eat.

I don't despise people tho, so there you go making a comment about me that isn't true .

You don't really hear anyone ever complaining about meat eaters. Then again, there aren't really any meat eaters. We are called omnivores. It's not a stereotype, that vegans feel that they are at a higher level of consciousness then the rest of us. Even if it's a stereotype, it's a very deserved stereotype. Just take some examples from this site and some of the posts on here. Or hell, even look at Steves posts. We just want to be left the hell alone. We don't need to or want to hear that you don't think we should eat animals. Vegans have an affinity of telling people about their ideas, otherwise they wouldn't be good vegans if they did nothing about animal suffering. We are all evil people, who don't care that animals suffer. I get it. Omnivores, very rarely want to be around vegans. Vegetarians are fine, because it's a food choices, but vegans have an ethical agenda to push, and they will always be compared to the likes of PETA.

If you want to compare anything, then compare vegans and omnivores, to christians and atheists.

[Eisho]

Originally Posted by coffegirl

I desperately want to loose weight,but I also need to improve my health and well-being.
So I want to do a 30 day trial to eat only fruits and vegetables.
Okay,I do make one exception:
I eat one yoghurt in the morning in order to get enough vitamin b 12.
What do you think?
Is it possible and healthy to live on fresh fruits and veggies for a while(or possibly long-term?)

I am for the most part a frugivore, with some veggies, low fat milk, supplements and a cheat meal or two every week. No problems with my health, actually full of energy (sleep 4 hours in every 24, 2x2 hours and train martial arts 3-4 hours a day). I am sure it will help with your weight loss but I recommend being 'human' about it and having a scheduled cheat meal at least every few days as you ease yourself into it. A 30 day trial may be too much too soon.

Cheers,

Eisho

[firenexx]

LOLOL You can't compare race, nationality, and sexuality, to what a person chooses to eat.

Too bad, I just did. I guess I can after all!

I don't despise people tho, so there you go making a comment about me that isn't true .

I never made a comment that wasn't true. I did say that you made a comment about what you think "people" think about another group of people. This is true, you specifically did that. "This is why people despise vegans" etc. Please read more carefully.

You don't really hear anyone ever complaining about meat eaters.

Yes, "you" do.
Some "omnivores" have a hostile attitude when they find out that someone is a "herbivore", even if the vegetarian doesn't have an agenda to push or didn't even bring it up in the first place.
Now, take that sentence, and switch "herbivore" and "omnivore." It is still true! Am I making a stereotype? No. It is like if I said "Some black people steal bikes" or "Black people are more statistically likely to steal bikes" VERSUS "You know why people despise blacks? Because they steal bikes."
You consistently sound like the latter and not the former.

Then again, there aren't really any meat eaters. We are called omnivores.

Then again, there aren't really any vegans. They are called herbivores.
Semantics? Please. You have successfully distracted me; what an effective technique.

It's not a stereotype, that vegans feel that they are at a higher level of consciousness then the rest of us.

Really? Then how come you added a qualifier:

Even if it's a stereotype,

Is it a stereotype, or isn't it? I'm confused now.

it's a very deserved stereotype.

I didn't say it wasn't deserved. I agree that many vegans are holier-than-though egotists with their head in the clouds thinking that their consciousness is automatically elevated even though they they still carry the same selfishness and negative energies that they did before they gave up the steak.

Just take some examples from this site and some of the posts on here. Or hell, even look at Steves posts.

Again, I agree. Do you even know what a stereotype is?
A statistic or a general observation is when I say "Many vegans are idiots."
A stereotype is when RussianRocket says "You know why "people" despise vegans? They are idiots. Vegans are idiots. Look at all the vegans around here that are idiots!"
What is the big difference, you might ask? With the former, you are accurate. With the latter, you are judging ALL of the members of a group rather than just some of them.

We just want to be left the hell alone. We don't need to or want to hear that you don't think we should eat animals.

Agreed.

Vegans have an affinity of telling people about their ideas, otherwise they wouldn't be good vegans if they did nothing about animal suffering.

Many vegans would disagree with you. Many people feel that the Jehovah's Witness approach isn't effective. You seem to have a nice idea of what "vegans" are but it is not accurate and certainly doesn't apply to the whole group.

We are all evil people, who don't care that animals suffer. I get it. Omnivores, very rarely want to be around vegans.

I have never experienced this. All these observations of yours are very interesting. Remember that what you observe doesn't necessarily hold true for the next person. You have a different set of eyes.

Vegetarians are fine, because it's a food choices, but vegans have an ethical agenda to push, and they will always be compared to the likes of PETA.

Why don't vegetarians have an ethical agenda to push? I know a lot of vegetarians who are very annoying people and have an ethical agenda that they are always pushing. In fact, I will even go as far as to say the following: Do you know why people despise vegetarians? They have an ethical agenda to push.

A stereotype is a stereotype, whether it applies to a group of people who distinguish themselves based on food choice, or a group of people who distinguish themselves based on theological belief, or political belief, or even a group of people who happened to have been born with a certain color of skin.

[superfoodist]

Hey coffeegirl, I just posted a new thread called "Humans Are Meant To Be Plant Eaters" here : Humans Are Meant To Be Plant Eaters

Check it out. There's 2 articles that will prove that humans are naturally meant to be vegans, which consequently means that it's the healthiest route in terms of diet, which I think is your reason for starting this thread.

Let me know what you think!

[Razia]

Why not my mom is pure veg and she's health is as good as it should be.

[Razia]

Ya its absolutely possible infact its good to be healthy.

[Rickison]

Originally Posted by Eisho

I am for the most part a frugivore, with some veggies, low fat milk, supplements and a cheat meal or two every week. No problems with my health, actually full of energy (sleep 4 hours in every 24, 2x2 hours and train martial arts 3-4 hours a day). I am sure it will help with your weight loss but I recommend being 'human' about it and having a scheduled cheat meal at least every few days as you ease yourself into it. A 30 day trial may be too much too soon.

Cheers,

Eisho

I agree with Eisho, you can try this kind of diet, having only fruits and vegetables is not really a good idea because there are some fruits and vegetables which can increase your weight. SO if you really want to try your Fruits and Veg diet then try to avoid fat gaining fruits like banana, mango and vegetables like potato and nuts.

[Andrew Gubb]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

I've seen people thrive on that, and then hit what seems to be almost an inevitable brick wall.

Plenty of people have been really long term on that diet. I know more people who have been long term and still going strong than those who have got past the first hurdles, thrived, and then hit the brick wall. There are plenty of people who find it hard, including me, but they just don't manage to ever really "thrive" on it. It seems a bit like a scare tactic to tell people that everything will be going fine and then they'll smash against an expected brick wall. And it doesn't seem to match up to the examples I've known at all.

[firenexx]

Instead of saying that one will or will not hit a brick wall, and then using anecdotes and observations in place of actual data or reasoning, I find that it is more effective to look at why the brick wall could be there in the first place, and what one can do to prevent this brick wall from showing up (or what society could do to stop the habits that lead to this brick wall.)
It is much easier to define the brick wall than to leave it undefined and "observe" to your heart's content, because you will see what you want to see but the brick wall will still be there.

[Rickison]

Having fruits and vegetables is the most healthy diet and you get all needed and essential nutrients from fruits and vegetable. so follow the same happily.