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View Poll Results: Which Of The Following Do You Consider To Be Most Extreme?
Martial Arts (non-contact, non-MMA) 1 5.88%
Scuba Diving 9 52.94%
Downhill Snow Skiing 7 41.18%
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Old 09-06-2011, 09:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I've been involved in three main sports for decades. Although I and others do not consider them to be 'extreme' sports, I am aware that many do. So I'm just curious to get some sort of public perception for the sake of interest.

Which of the following sports do you consider to be the most 'extreme' (for the lack of a better term)?

1) Martial Arts (non-contact, non-MMA)
2) Scuba Diving
3) Downhill Snow Skiing
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I've been involved in three main sports for decades. Although I and others do not consider them to be 'extreme' sports,
I am aware that many do. So I'm just curious to get some sort of public perception for the sake of interest.

Which of the following sports do you consider to be the most 'extreme' (for the lack of a better term)?

1) Martial Arts (non-contact, non-MMA)
2) Scuba Diving
3) Downhill Snow Skiing
Why did you only Limit it to those three?

I started life as a Snow-skier (ages 1-12) & thus became
pretty skilled in both Down-hill, & X-country.
We even built our own Ski-JUMP...

Next, I became a darn-good little Gymnast: Ever tried that... ?

Your other 2 choices, don't come anywhere close to *Figure-skating* = my favorite sport forever...

Go ahead!! you take to the ice and try to execute a successful Axel... LOL
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I've never tried skiing or scuba, but I don't think martial arts - especially the non-contact variety - are extreme.
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Why did you only Limit it to those three?
I limited it to these 3 because these are the ones that I do and have done for decades. I just wanted to get a public perspective on these 3 since my own feeling about these sports would be biased.
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The activities you've listed are extremely cool, but I don't consider them extreme sports.

You could make the skiing extreme, though, like these guys: Extreme Skiing - YouTube

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I voted MA though it's not really that extreme. It's more extreme than the other two options though.

If you'd put downhill mountain bike riding or mountain climbing, or even snowboarding out of a plane, then I would have voted for all three.
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Downhill Snow Skiing you can easily break your bones while still going downhill, there no stopping...you could be dead while still skiing now that's extreme, not to mention avalanches and if your not white you could racially attacked. Snow Skiing is extreme my friends.
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Downhill Snow Skiing you can easily break your bones while still going downhill, there no stopping...you could be dead while still skiing now that's extreme, not to mention avalanches and if your not white you could racially attacked. Snow Skiing is extreme my friends.
You can break someone elses bones as well. I did that once going down the beginners slope. I yelled at her to get out of the way...but she didn't.
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I don't consider any of those particularly extreme... they can all be done by kids and at a really mellow rhythm. I voted scuba diving because I believe it's the only one that requires training and a license worldwide. Not a particularly good criteria, but hey...
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That does not seem to be a valid question. All the choices have a very wide degree of ‘levels’ (extremeness). For instance skiing the bunny hill is less extreme than breaking a board with your bare fist which is less extreme than a black diamond run. It all depends on how extreme you make it. All three sports can be pushed to life threatening difficulties but mostly only to self, so I would rate them all equally potentially extreme.
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You can break someone elses bones as well. I did that once going down the beginners slope. I yelled at her to get out of the way...but she didn't.
Haha, did this happen in slow motion? Like she had lots of time to get out of your way.
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Haha, did this happen in slow motion? Like she had lots of time to get out of your way.
Yep...I was going down a beginners slope and had about 10 seconds before I was due to hit. She just stared at me, until I bowled her over. I wasn't even going very fast at the time.

I saw her down in the shop area about 4 hours later, in a full leg cast on crutches.

I hid.
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Power walking is the most extreme sport of all in my experience.
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Yep...I was going down a beginners slope and had about 10 seconds before I was due to hit. She just stared at me, until I bowled her over. I wasn't even going very fast at the time.

I saw her down in the shop area about 4 hours later, in a full leg cast on crutches.

I hid.
I would have walked up to her and claimed it was my twin sister, she already hates you why not milk it
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Power walking is the most extreme sport of all in my experience.
You should try backwards running, raise you game a notch.

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Downhill Snow Skiing you can easily break your bones
while still going downhill, there no stopping...
you could be dead while still skiing now that's extreme, not to mention avalanches
and if your not white you could racially attacked. Snow Skiing is extreme my friends.
Well, I snow-skied for 10 years, and I never broke a bone. Thank God
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I would have walked up to her and claimed it was my twin sister, she already hates you why not milk it
Could have, should have, would have...didn't!
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Even I haven't try this I will vote downhill skiing for it is still dangerous if you can't balance your self well.
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Interesting comments so far folks - keep them coming! As I said, I'm biased because I've been involved in them for so long. All I'll say for any of them is ... take lessons.
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Scuba because it's the most unusual and most likely to be perceived as dangerous.

Everyone does martial arts and I'll be damned if I haven't talked about someone who hasn't skiied before
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I've been involved in three main sports for decades. Although I and others do not consider them to be 'extreme' sports, I am aware that many do. So I'm just curious to get some sort of public perception for the sake of interest.

Which of the following sports do you consider to be the most 'extreme' (for the lack of a better term)?

1) Martial Arts (non-contact, non-MMA)
2) Scuba Diving
3) Downhill Snow Skiing

My answer would be, that it depends on how extreme you take yourself into them.

Do you ski on the bunny slopes, or drop from helicopters onto mountaintops?
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I'd say it's a tie between scuba diving and downhill skiing. Non contact martial arts isn't that extreme, although a great skill to have.
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My answer would be, that it depends on how extreme you take yourself into them.

Do you ski on the bunny slopes, or drop from helicopters onto mountaintops?
I'll leave that open ended as to degree in each sport. Just want to get a sense on how people feel about these activities if assuming they were done by average participants in each.

I'm leaving my own participation degree out of it since again, I would be biased since for each of these sports, my already quite immersed;

Skiing: Canadian Ski Instructors Alliance Level 2 certified
Scuba: Master certified diver NAUI
Martial Arts: well, most people already know my involvement with this one
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I don't think it is the sport that makes it "extreme"

I think it is the person who takes the sport to the highest level that makes it "extreme"


The novice 12 year old skiing down the mountain is not very extreme.
The olympic athlete who does double backflips off a 20ft jump is extreme!


The 12 year old "karate kid" is not very extreme.
The guy who breaks 10 boards stacked on eachother and does backflips off the ground is extreme!



Just my 2 sense
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Another way to view all this is that at least in my observation, I've seen more people during scuba diving and skiing get into 'trouble' than say in a martial arts class where things are more controlled. And these are folks getting into trouble without taking things to an 'extreme' level.
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Scuba Is the only one you can die at, even at wet non extreme novice levels. I mean, unless you are in a pool or something, but probably even then.
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Unfortunately, we have the odd case where a recreational skier also dies on the slopes by running into a tree. I think that's how Sonny Bono died. And these are not extreme slopes we are talking about. And that actress who was married to Liam Neeson died with a head injury by falling on a beginner-intermediate run at Mt Tremblant, one of the places where I use to ski and teach.
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These are not inherently "extreme" sports in my opinion. Skiing could be if you normally did aerials with somersaults thrown in. Scuba diving could be extreme if you go deep cave diving or are trying for some deep water record. Walking could be extreme if you do it barefoot in Death Valley in July.

One example of an inherently extreme sport would be skydiving; you can't do that at less than all out.
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we have the odd case where a recreational skier also dies on the slopes by running into a tree. I think that's how Sonny Bono died.
And these are not extreme slopes.
And that actress who was married to Liam Neeson died with a head injury
by falling on a beginner-intermediate run at Mt Tremblant,
one of the places where I use to ski and teach.
So what are you trying to do: discourage more...
(couchpotato TV-athletes ) from actually Exercising
even a little...
Sorry, I couldn't resist

Us iceskaters encounter doubters all the time: 'skating?
r u crazy! No, I value life'
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we respond: Valuing life more fully Yes! we skate...........
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So what are you trying to do: discourage more...
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even a little...
Sorry, I couldn't resist

Us iceskaters encounter doubters all the time: 'skating?
r u crazy! No, I value life'
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we respond: Valuing life more fully Yes! we skate...........
Nope, just getting a public perspective in general on the three sports I love since I realize that they are not as mainstream as say golf or tennis.
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