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Old 05-01-2007, 07:51 AM
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The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is working hard to take away YOUR rights to safe and effective natural healing methods. They want to make criminals out of anyone suggesting these remedies unless they are licensed by the medical system. It is only a matter of time if they get their way that you will need a prescription in order to drink cranberry juice. Please do not think this is a joke.

"If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny."
- Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President of the U.S.A., writer of Declaration of Independence

“All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.“ - Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President of the U.S.A., writer of Declaration of Independence

"I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves: and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform them."
- Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President of the U.S.A., writer of Declaration of Independence

"The Constitution of this Republic should make special provision for Medical Freedom as well as Religious Freedom. To restrict the art of healing to one class of men and deny equal privileges to others will constitute a bastille [prison] of medical science. All such laws are un-American and despotic."
- Benjamin Rush, M.D., signer of the Declaration of Independence

WHAT CAN YOU DO?


Immediately go to Citizens for Health | the voice of the natural health consumer and educate yourself on the matter.

Go to Save Our Supplements - Protect Your Access to Safe, Effective & Affordable Dietary Supplements and you can simply enter your zip code into the form and click submit. It will show you automatic form letters to send to your state representatives.

If you do not become involved in fighting against the FDA, calling your representatives local and in DC, the FDA will have supreme dictatorship over your personal health. Do not be misled by their flowery convoluted language appearing to want to help you. It is a criminal conspiracy to take away your rights so that the pharmaceutical companies and their control over the FDA and the American medical system have the entire market at their disposal without competition. You health will be owned by them lock, stock and barrel.

The FDA will consider spirituality a medical treatment if they get their way. It will be considered mind-body medicine. This is an insult to God and our God-given rights. Please stand up and say no to the FDA and to any form of medicalization of natural God-given methods of healing. They are going too far.

They claim qigong or anything like this will not be regulated by them but if you give them an inch, they will take a hundred miles. Do not give them one foothold on our rights. If you want to rub lotion on someone's back, this will be regulated!??

Homeopathy will be considered a drug??? This is ridiculous.

If you lose your heath care rights, you will soon lose all of your rights to life, liberty and you will be unable to pursue any happiness. What has happened to America?


Call your friends, organize meetings, call your representatives over and over and over. Send letters to your state representatives, the senators, the congressmen, your mayor, the governor, the media, television, newspaper, radio and to your local schools. Demand that they oppose the FDA’s regulation of natural healing modalities.

The FDA’s unconstitutional manifesto is available here:
http://www.fda.gov/cber/gdlns/altmed.pdf
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I was hoping that was a bad joke.

Sometimes one has to step back and wonder what some people are thinking.

Thanks for the links. I would think the supplement lobbyist would be all over this, but perhaps it is the drug companies that want yet more money.

I went and did it. I hope you keep us updated on this.


I was reading something somewhere (notice how precise that is ) that said at the end of the this year there will be no such things as raw almonds in the US because all almonds will have to be pasteurized.

I want my own country.. one where we still have this little thing called freedom and that includes the freedom to eat raw almonds and take st johns wart.

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Thanks for those links! I hope goverments can stop trying to be so smart and protective.

Here's some more from a different angle:
http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/docs/codex_flyer.pdf
Stop Codex: Protect Health Freedom :: HealthFreedomUSA.org

But originally I was alerted by an email from Pure Health Systems, natural health products and information a while ago on this. Cut and pasted here:
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The Codex Alimentarius is a threat to the freedom of people to choose natural healing and alternative medicine and nutrition. Ratified by the World Health Organization, and going into Law in the United States in 2009, the threat to health freedom has never been greater.

This is the first part of a series of talks by Dr. Rima Laibow MD, available on DVD from the Natural Solutions Foundation, an non-profit organization dedicated to educating people about how to stop Codex Alimentarius from taking away our right to freely choose nutritional health.

The following video will help inform you of this threat. Please pass it on to all who have any interest in health, including to local media, newspapers, etc. We need to include this in our battles against corrupt government.


Nutricide - Criminalizing Natural Health, Vitamins, and Herbs!
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at the end of the this year there will be no such things as raw almonds in the US because all almonds will have to be pasteurized.
Pasteurized almonds = Damaged EFAs = More cancer = Doctors get richer

Maybe we should just all start planting our own food now .
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Pasteurized almonds = Damaged EFAs = More cancer = Doctors get richer
Scary but true. I hope this does not come to pass.

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Maybe we should just all start planting our own food now .
I am getting pretty close to that.
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Thumbs down Go-go dystopia!

This just has Brave New World written ALL over it.

So, who's up for planet relocation?



Seriously though, thanks for increasing awareness with your thread, Aaron. I personally don't rate supplements as the healthiest things you can consume, but I'm definitely not against them. Quite the contrary; I'm pro freedom and conscious choice.

What I find most disturbing about this is not so much what they (the FDA) are trying to do, but the statement it will make. As you say, give them an inch and they take a mile. All aboard the “lets put in stupid restrictions to cover a general lack of intelligence instead of directly addressing the issue” train.

One of the great and probably most underestimated things about our community here at the Pavlina forum is that it serves as a hub for sanity and reason. While it may seem like a mere discussion forum to most people, this forum is a valuable resource that represents something much greater.

That said, I wouldn't approach this matter with the intention of "fighting" the FDA. Remember: what you resist persists.
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I wouldn't approach this matter with the intention of "fighting" the FDA. Remember: what you resist persists.
Bruce, that troubles me a little, too - I don't want to fight for my raw almonds and cranberry extract; I just want to consume them freely.

So, I guess we can write to our congress-people and let them know how much we love our natural foods and our mind-body-healing modalities and let them know that we support representatives who support our desires.

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The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is working hard to take away YOUR rights to safe and effective natural healing methods. They want to make criminals out of anyone suggesting these remedies unless they are licensed by the medical system. It is only a matter of time if they get their way that you will need a prescription in order to drink cranberry juice. Please do not think this is a joke.
Is the FDA demanding that these products be withdrawn? Or that every product labeled as "medicine" be held to the same high standards of manufactring and testing?

When some cost-conscious factory decides to put melamine in your St John's Wort, who you gonna call? The FDA. They may be a bloated bureaucracy, but are certainly not an evil empire.
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Yeah...And did you know that the FDA is recalling all jars of organic peanut butter produced this year because they contain irridated salt and other "serious" cancer-causing ingredients?

Haha. Just kidding!

The world is getting more insanely hilarious by the day.

Note: Yes, insane -but- hilarious as well.
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One of the great and probably most underestimated things about our community here at the Pavlina forum is that it serves as a hub for sanity and reason. While it may seem like a mere discussion forum to most people, this forum is a valuable resource that represents something much greater.

That said, I wouldn't approach this matter with the intention of "fighting" the FDA. Remember: what you resist persists.
It seems to me that we have an excellent opportunity here to work as a group to use intention and LoA to manifest what we want to have happen in this regard. Anybody interested?
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Suppliments are not regulated by the FDA, which means that whoever is making the suppliments can put whatever the F they choose in them. You may think that you are getting a capsule of pure essential fatty acid or your suppliment of choice, but you could also be ingesting large amount of a potentially dangerous additive.

What's more is that some suppliments produce dangerous drug-drug interactions and, since some people do not consider most suppliments drugs, they will not report that they are taking them to their doctor, which causes concern for hospitals. This is probably why they are requiring doctors to start prescribing them.

There is nothing you can get from a suppliment that you cant get (in a more trusted and readily absorbed form) from food. You are wasting your money by buying those things, in my opinion.
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What's more is that some suppliments produce dangerous drug-drug interactions and, since some people do not consider most suppliments drugs, they will not report that they are taking them to their doctor, which causes concern for hospitals. This is probably why they are requiring doctors to start prescribing them.

There is nothing you can get from a suppliment that you cant get (in a more trusted and readily absorbed form) from food. You are wasting your money by buying those things, in my opinion.
yeah because even when your docs perscribe meds they think about that. If that were true we would not have had as many people die when vigra came out and people mixed it with nitro. Peoples GP gave them vigra but there cardio guy gave them nitro.

These days, many docs have no idea what you take becuase one doc gives you one thing, and another gives you another. You take both of them and there are drug reactions then as well.

I will keep my freedom to take what i want and people who dont want to take supplements dont have to.

Its very misleading to say that companies are filling your supplments with other things. Supplements are required to have on the box what is in them just like everything else these days.

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It is only a matter of time if they get their way that you will need a prescription in order to drink cranberry juice.
Do you honestly believe in this quoted sentence?

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Supplements are required to have on the box what is in them just like everything else these days.
There are different legal requirements for the labelling of food supplements and medicines.
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This issue is a difficult one. On the one hand I want my freedom to take what I like. I live in Australia where our laws regarding supplements are radical compared to USA, and it is a pain. Believe me, nothing is worse than having some physical wreck doctor or government clerk try to interfere in your life, in areas they know nothing about. Doctors are experts in their field, and so are clerks, but their fields aren't preventative medicine, or fitness. I feel awesomely, awesomely healthy and fit, and know that the supplements I choose to take contribute to that feeling.
However on the other hand, I am 51, and have over 35 years passionate, genuine experience in serious health, fitness, training and top level sports, and the truth is that the supplement industry and magazines are riddled with blatent criminals, and rubbish sold as products. But then the drug company controlled medical world has it's fair share of criminals, and dodgy (what side effects, two heads are better than one, aren't they?) drugs as well. I have an excellent memory, and have scoured training, fitness and health magazines since day one, and have seen the endless stream of 'breakthrough' scams, many of which resurface every 5-10 years. Some operators are so blatently smug and cocky, that they figure they'll get some suckers twice or more, plus a sea of new one's, fleecing them, before dissappearing again. It is radically astounding that people fall for the ridiculous claims made by even, in fact almost all the supposedly 'top' companies. 300% more strength, 500% more testosterone, 200% less fat, or the latest money spinner, highest level antioxidant reading according to my uncle's, auntie's, mother's, son's, cousin's, sister's GTA Scale - Genuine Tibetin Athenticated (by Swedish Scientists in a German Laboratory) - NB limited shipment. #@&*!!! Where's the phone, I'll take 20 bottles, before the price goes up. GEE THANKS!!! The sales teams must roll around on the floor laughing in disbelief when they come up with this rubbish, and it actually works. Some supplements, probably about 5% of what's out there, do actually work. For instance, quality protein powders are a godsend, particularly for anyone not interested in killing animals. High quality creatine works. Same for high quality parts of tribulus. Some of the dried 'supergreen' supplements are deluxe. And there are plenty of others. There are some honest, caring companies and people producing great products. I would love to see every supplement governed, tested and labelled for its actual authenticity of and sources of ingredients. But as far as being told what works, whats good for you, and what I can take, forget it! For example, I outlined in detail in another post how I ate dozens of eggs a day for years and years. I used to love being tested by 'experts' and doctors. They would comment on my incredible health and fitness, cholesterol levels, urine, blood profiles, etc, etc, and then be reduced to gibbering idiots when I told them what I ate. I was supposed to be dead. Or I was gonna pay big time later, was doing irreversable damage, and would never reach 50. I would love to scour the nursing homes and find those same 'experts' and doctors now, and make them spend a day with me, as long as they booked their ambulances and funerals in advance.
So, for me, I want to know exactly what is in what I am buying, and the sources and authenticity of materials, but I want to be my own judge of what I choose to consume, and what does what to me.
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Sad to report that a similar thing is being attempted to be pushed through (under the radar) in New Zealand too. It has ties back to Australia and Major drug companies. What is going on?

Come on Kiwi's, don't let this happen to us! There's a petition to sign at http://www.healthfreedom.co.nz/
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Default FDA attempts to violate YOUR God-given rights

Go here
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and fill out the form and tell everyone you know.

The point to all of this is that giving the fda this insane foothold on alternative and complimentary modalities will be a serious step towards them having supreme dictatorship over YOUR health.

FDA is supposed to give an entire 90 days for the people to voice their concerns over their criminal attempts.
Read more here: URGENT UPDATE: Deadline for Comments on CAM Guidance Switched by FDA: Agency’s Own 90-Day Period Not Being Honored | Citizens for Health

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