Why The Complete Elimination Of Animal Protein Is The Only Sensible Move For Health.

[Andrew Michaels]

I've wanted to share this for some time, and decided to make a blog post about it. Hope you guys enjoy:

Meat Part I: How It’s Slowly Killing You by Strangling Your Heart and Riddling You With Cancer

[Angela]

Well, I'm a carnivore. My doctor told me last month that my blood work-up was the healthiest she had ever seen, and she wished everybody's could look that optimal.

My meat consumption is minimal (no red meat, for instance, and more vegetarian meals than meaty ones) but I don't consider that I need to go vegan in order to remain vital. Also, I know two life-long (adult life, anyway) committed vegans who have had heart attacks, so I know that it's not a magic pill.

I'm sure veganism is worth trying, however, since there are so many vocal proponents who feel just peachy! (just promise me you'll never sprinkle yeast in lieu of parmesan on a woman's spaghetti.)

[NathanSII]

Link doesn't seem to be working for me..

[Andrew Michaels]

Originally Posted by Angela

Also, I know two life-long (adult life, anyway) committed vegans who have had heart attacks, so I know that it's not a magic pill.

I'm sure veganism is worth trying, however, since there are so many vocal proponents who feel just peachy!

Veganism is certainly not a magic pill. Most people, especially those who switch for ethical reasons, make the mistake of replacing animal protein with junk food instead of whole grains, fruits, and vegetables. A high fat vegan diet can give you a heart attack just as quickly as a high fat omnivorous one. This is also the reason for the myth of the sickly, pale vegan. There are champion vegan athletes, but most people don't think of them when they think vegan.

If done property though, your resistance to almost every western disease increases tremendously. As for your doctor, it's fantastic that you've got a clean bill of health, but I'm sorry to say that most doctors don't have a very good record in protecting their patients against most diseases, and, sadly, even themselves. Also, most of their gauges for health like weight and cholesterol level are far too high to be healthy.

Best,
Andrew

[Andrew Michaels]

Originally Posted by NathanSII

Link doesn't seem to be working for me..

Just reposted the link. Should work now.

[Angela]

Hi, Andrew, just for the record, my heart attack vegans, or HAV's, were both dedicated healthy eaters, no junk food allowed. I believe they did a pretty informed job of getting enough protein in their diets (hence my personal yeast warning) and I think most americans probably get way more protein than they need. Both guys seemed very fit to me. They both smelled a little funny, though. (I smell sweet, even though I eat beasts.)

I'll be a lot of vegans are committed to a healthier lifestyle, even aside from eliminating meat from their diets, than your average mcdonald's-scarfer. After reading Fast Food Nation and Supersize Me last year, I have permanently sworn off all fast food restaurants, and that has certainly had an effect on my own health.

[Brutha]

There are champion vegan athletes,

Like whom?

[Erki]

BrendanBrazier.com :: Triathlete, Author and Speaker ?
Mahler's Aggressive Strength Kettlebell Training ?

[Erki]

Oh, and I wanted to say that I really don't like articles with such titles - as if someone knew the absolute truth. Many people would turn their backs, many people would start flame wars, and then some people would see where's the point and some people just wouldn't care. Sure controversial titles for articles make some more traffic but what's the quality of that traffic?

I'll make sure to read the article though.

[Andrew Michaels]

Originally Posted by Brutha

Like whom?

Also:
Carl Lewis (Olympic Athlete, 9 Gold Medals)
Mac Danzig (MMA King Of The Cage Lightweight Champion)
Ruth Heidrich (Three Time Ironman Champion)
Kenneth G Williams, (championship bodybuilder)

[escapee]

Ohhh......Another victim of The China study ( As a Ex victim myself, i know consider this book the most incomprehensible nutritional book ever written ) . If you want to be healthy, please look back what our ancestor used to eat. There were Lard, butter, grass fed meat, vegetable, whole grain, some fruit. Comparing that to the modern diet which consists of Process vegetable oil, Refined carbohydrate(flour, refined sugar, coke), fast food rich in tran fats, Unnatural sweetener and etc. You know we are in deep crap because the food industry will never change as long as there is a demand.

The Skinny on Fats

The scientific evidence, honestly evaluated, does not support the assertion that "artery-clogging" saturated fats cause heart disease. (44) Actually, evaluation of the fat in artery clogs reveals that only about 26% is saturated. The rest is unsaturated, of which more than half is polyunsaturated. (45)

Myths and Truths About Nutrition

Myth: Heart disease in America is caused by consumption of cholesterol and saturated fat from animal products.

Truth: During the period of rapid increase in heart disease (1920-1960), American consumption of animal fats declined but consumption of hydrogenated and industrially processed vegetable fats increased dramatically. (USDA-HNI)

[escapee]

A few sites that i'd recommended if you are truly interested in insulin control and the study of EFA ratio with respect to optimal health.

The hidden truth of cancer
Ron Rosedale, M.D. on Insulin

There are three major centenarian studies going on around the world. They are trying to find the variable that would confer longevity among this group of people who live to be 100 years old. Why do centenarians become centenarians? Why are they so lucky? Is it because they have low cholesterol, exercise a lot and live a healthy, clean life?

Well, the oldest person ever recorded was Jean Calumet of France who died last year at 122 years of age. She smoked all of her life and drank.

What researchers are finding from these major centenarian studies is that there is hardly anything in common among these people. They have high cholesterol and low cholesterol, some exercise and some don't, some smoke, some don't. Some are nasty as can be, some nice and calm and some are ornery.

But, they all have relatively low sugar for their age, and they all have low triglycerides for their age.

And, they all have relatively low insulin.

Less cellular oxygen = CANCER (By Dr Otto warburg - a noble price winner for the discovery)

Brace yourself. We have become so accustomed to being told that “someday” we might discover what causes cancer, and that cancer
is the major medical mystery of our modern time, that you might find it hard to believe the following. Otto Warburg discovered, and
clearly stated, the prime, most basic cause of cancer:
Too Little Oxygen to the Cell
“We find by experiment about 35% inhibition of oxygen respiration already
bring about such a transformation during cell growth.”28

[escapee]

Seriously, i'm getting more and more convinced by Otto and Brian's work on the direct link between lack of cell oxygenation and cancer/chronic illness. nobody wants to even discuss this ??????? argg....

When you understand what a proper and undamaged EFA can do .... and think about how much trans fat and damaged vege oil we are consuming .... there can only be one consequence ...
MS Means...Essential Fatty Acids & Hemp Oil.

EFAs are involved in the transporting of oxygen to all our cells. EFAs can be likened to oxygen 'magnets' that pull oxygen into our body. Linoleic Acid and Linolenic Acid appear to hold oxygen in our cell membranes, where it acts as a barrier to viruses, fungi and bacteria.

[Andrew Michaels]

Originally Posted by escapee

Ohhh......Another victim of The China study ( As a Ex victim myself, i know consider this book the most incomprehensible nutritional book ever written ) . If you want to be healthy, please look back what our ancestor used to eat. There were Lard, butter, grass fed meat, vegetable, whole grain, some fruit. Comparing that to the modern diet which consists of Process vegetable oil, Refined carbohydrate(flour, refined sugar, coke), fast food rich in tran fats, Unnatural sweetener and etc. You know we are in deep crap because the food industry will never change as long as there is a demand.

The Skinny on Fats



Myths and Truths About Nutrition

Hey escapee. I'm going to be responding your your reply on my site. It may take me awhile to work it up, but I'll hopefully have it done tonight.

[escapee]

To my surprise, there is another German scientist by the name Dr Johanna Budwig applies the similar protocol as Dr Brian does . The difference is that Dr Budwig favors the parent of Omega 3(ALA) over 6 with the use of Flaxseed (combinign with protein for max effec ) whereas Dr Brian recommends both the parent of omega 3 and 6 to be taken from 1:1 to 1 : 2.5 ratio .

[escapee]

Hey escapee. I'm going to be responding your your reply on my site. It may take me awhile to work it up, but I'll hopefully have it done tonight.

No no no i dont see the beneft of getting into argument again with the issue of Veganism vs omnivores on health . I think it's waste of time.

I would like more opinions(preferably backed by scientific study) specifically on the work done by Dr Brian, Dr Budwig and Dr Otto warburg with regards to EFAs/oxygen vs chronic diseases like cancer and heart disease. I wonder if there Is there any scientific works out there that disprove their findings.

[beautyscientist]

As a scientist, I am well aware of the drawbacks of the scientific method for assessing whether going vegan is good for you or not. I have decided that the only way to find out is to try it myself following Steve's 30 day trial approach. Can anyone recommend a good place to find an outline of a potential 30 day trial?

[escapee]

The 100% vegan diet has failed my body in just after 3 months ( i attempted the diet last year - inspired mostly by the book the China study - the most incomprehensible nutritional book ever written ). It also crippled my sister menstrual cycle and gave severe muscle twiching to my father. Maybe you could try abit longer, like 6 months to assess whether vegan diet is suitable for you. All the above sickness were almost gone when we switched our diet back to our traditional onmivores diet with big time restriction on sugar ,soy, refined carbohydrate and fried food (like fried tofu or chicken).

My advice or lesson from previous experience if you are so determined to give veganism a trial:

1 ) Dont overeat non fermented soy like tofu or soy milk, Dont ... your thyroid may not like it
2 ) Match your caborhydrate intake with physical activities.( otherwise you are going to have problem with weight )
3 ) EFAs (like organic flaxseed and primrose oil)
4 ) B12

In addition, you can also learn from Chet and Dr Ben kim on their experience ofstict Veganism .

Vegan Diet: Recipe for Disaster?

[Andrew Michaels]

Originally Posted by beautyscientist

As a scientist, I am well aware of the drawbacks of the scientific method for assessing whether going vegan is good for you or not. I have decided that the only way to find out is to try it myself following Steve's 30 day trial approach. Can anyone recommend a good place to find an outline of a potential 30 day trial?

Yes. Check out Dr. Joel Fuhrman's Eat To Live. Follow the diet for a month. See if you like it.

[escapee]

I also recommend Eat fat lose fat, Cholesterol-Myths and Saturated fat may save your life . I think it's important to know the stories from two sides b4 you make any drastic change in diet .

[ferociousgoals]

escapee, have you considered starting your own thread about the different fats and the possible effects on cancer? This one sisn't start out about that, and I appreciate your interest, and there might be people who are interested in seeing your information who aren't looking under vegan topics.

[escapee]

Sure, But It's doenst has to be me, I think anyone with deep interest on essential fatty acids vs Cancer can just blog about it and post it here.

I'm going to post again what Warbug has discovered 80 years ago in the hope to stir some more interest.

Otto Warburg discovered, and clearly stated, the prime, most basic cause of cancer: Too Little Oxygen to the Cell
“We find by experiment about 35% inhibition of oxygen respiration already
bring about such a transformation during cell growth.”28

This makes hydrogenated oil and aldulterated commercial vegetable oil as the top list of cancer Inducing food . Why ?

Because when you put a margarine loaded with trans fats open to the air , it will not go rancid, it will not go oxidized like what a good unadulterated flaxoil or Primrose oil does. It has simply lost its oxygenation/oxidation capability. Our body will always use the next best thing . What happens is when the next best thing we have is the damaged unsaturated oil with poor oxygenation capability? Hypoxia is the consequence - or
lack of cellular oxygen as one of the key roles of EFA is to act as a oxygen magnet to the cells.

There are plenty of studies like below on the topic of Hypoxia Vs CancerScienceDaily: Mouse Knockout Resembles Human Renal Cell Cancer

Hypoxia and oxidative stress in breast cancer: Hypoxia and tumourigenesis

The microenvironmental hypoxia that arises as a consequence of the development of a solid tumour also acts to promote tumour growth. Hypoxia induces the expression of key components of the angiogenic and apoptotic signalling cascades, the glycolytic pathway and various cell-cycle control proteins. At the cellular level it mediates the infiltration and accumulation of tumour-associated macrophages within avascular tumour regions. Complex interactions between tumour cell and macrophage hypoxia-regulated gene products and their associated pathways form the basis for the hypoxic promotion of tumourigenesis and malignant progression.

Just type Hypoxia cancer in google search.

All of the man made processed food with no consideration of EFA are a real menace to human health

Thanks for reading

Note : the above is IMO based on Dr Brian/ Dr Budwig work

[fballer11]

I actually heard on a PBS documentary that ancient man had a 100% plant based diet.

The same documentary said that it wasn't until the introduction of meat (cooked meat) that brain size increased substantially (I think almost doubled) and modern man eventually came out of this change.

What do you guys think?

[fballer11]

Also, I hate all these comparative charts on cancer/heart disease/suicide and meat consumption. Have any of you people ever heard of an underlying or hidden variable, like in statistics?

The results of studies are skewed by the fact that meat costs more, so richer countries eat more of it. With more $$$ generally comes more processed, refined foods.

Don't try to conform to a few studies without taking in all the variables. You will be tracing a different route back to your conclusion

Not to say that veganism isn't healthy, just think analytically