3.5 days into a Dry/Water-only Cascade Fast

[MightySunTzu]

Hello good folks,

I only made it 2.1 days dry before moderate to strong persisting thirst in my dry mouth and throat and the beginning of dry peeling skin on my lips led me to drink, but i decided to satisfy thirst with water-only (in this case for .5 day, satisfying even mild thirst throughout this period) before going back into the next dry segment which has been about 20 relatively comfortable hours so far. So currently i am 3.5 days into this combined dry/water-only fast.

My longest dry fast to date was a reasonably comfortable 4 days about a month ago followed by a very difficult and uncomfortable 3.5 days about 5 months ago. I would like to reach about 10 days combined total this time with about 8 of them dry, maybe something close to 2 days dry followed by .5 day with water-only repeated 4 times. This would be the approximate protocol only if i can handle 2 days dry each time. Not knowing how dry and thirsty i might become, i may have to settle for 1 or 1.5 days dry in some instances, but we'll see how it goes.

I have learned and learned well through the aftermath of the very difficult 3.5 day dry fast not to push myself too deep into thirst. In that instance i fought med-heavy mercilessly persisting thirst for about 24 hours before finally drinking and experienced 10 days of dehydration-induced nausea as a result along with drying skin in many places and even some blisters.

Indeed dry fasting is the most powerful of all methods of cleansing and healing, but it is possible to take it too far and i have learned through experience to respect my body's limits. Let it be stated that for some people, 7 and even 14 days dry does not lead to such strong thirst or symptoms of dehydration. I realize and accept completely that i am not one of these individuals, at least not at this stage of my life.

Back to the current fast, i did the first 2.1 days dry in what i will call semi-rigid fashion which for me means no showers, baths or swimming (because the body does indeed drink through the skin when thristy), but i did brush my teeth with water-only, wash my hands and other limited strategic places and even soak my feet in cold epsom salt water, the latter partly as a compromise to help slightly appease the fairly strong thirst i was experiencing. I resisted a moderate persisting thirst for the better part of the 2nd day before the thirst increased a notch (to med-heavy persisting) and i decided to drink.

I am hoping for and anticipating some continued heart healing in this fast. Past water-only fasting of 30, 36.5 and 17 days, each with many less aggressive dry segments (mostly 15-20 hours until reaching semi-moderate persisting thirst) along with the 4 and 3.5 day dry fasts and about 3 months of aprox 16 hour daily dry fasts have allowed my body to take a badly damaged heart to about 90% healing and my goal is to reach 100+.

Exercising modestly, not pushing too hard, but i did isometrically train my muscles in the first 2 days of the fast (while i still had more energy) to try something new. I don't believe those workouts will produce a gain in size, but i do believe the muscles will be stronger and healthier as a result, utilizing weaker recycled protein sources to build up stronger ones.

Otherwise i am jumping on the trampoline and walking, each at a comfortable pace which at this point is pretty slow to moderate and doing these a couple times each per day. The trampoline sessions are only 2-5 minutes and the walks 10-15. Existing in a state of heightened calm, the gentle walking is a delight to my soul, sometimes feeling a bit like walking on clouds.


I do have to work somewhat, but i am trying to work as little as possible and lay in bed reading and otherwise relaxing as much as i can. I am also making a point of laying in the mid-day sun for a few minutes each day to capture all of the benefits brought forth through this worthwhile endeavor.

As another welcome perk of the fast, i would expect to burn about 5-6 pounds of actual fat over the 10 days (should i remain strong in my resolve to go this long), enough to create a noticeably healthier overall body composition with perhaps about 8-9% body fat and some fairly well defined muscles.

I will of course lose a lot more than 5-6 pounds overall, but i know from experience that even through healthful eating and exercising this additional weight (the weight that does not include the 5-6 pounds of fat) will return within about 2 weeks, most of it temporary water and intestinal content losses, but i also expect to gain some muscle that is eager to be trained and fed and probably a little bit of fat because though i eat healthy foods, my goal is to build my body and replenish nutrient stores, erring on the side of eating a little too much.

I believe that fasting primes me to build muscle more efficiently once i begin eating again, primarily due to a heightened ability of the body to assimilate nutrients and i believe that each cell in my body will become stronger and healthier.

Finally, when i ended the 4 day dry fast (about a month ago) i did so feeling pretty good (meaning that i didn't knowingly break it in mid crisis), but the very first morning upon awakening i had a sore throat which persisted for about 2.5 weeks(!) and about 2 days after breaking i had developed a night time and morning cough that persisted this entire past month until i began this fast... and the cough was gone about 1 day into it.

I broke the 4 day dry fast with distilled water initially, but an hour or two later i had some herbal tea with honey and some fruit, followed a couple hours later with some vitamixed vegetable soup. My guess is that the 4 days dry stirred up some toxic activity and i didn't give it enough of a chance to exit my body (with a longer water-only segment) before greatly slowing the cleansing process, trapping within me what would become the sore throat and cough. I see this fast as the means by which to completely eliminate any remaining trace of those issues.

As to re-feeding and assuming i proceed with the full 10 days, i would expect to break the last dry segment with at least .5 day of water and follow this with about 2 days of largely organic juices, both raw (some fruit juices, tomato juice, carrot/beet/celery/parsley) and cooked (as in collards or other heavy greens/garlic/onions/celery/chili peppers) and herbal teas, then eating largely organic whole fruits and vegetables for 2 or 3 days before finally introducing other healthful foods.

Feeling pretty good now, not at the top of my game, but able to pretty much do the things that need to be done without too much discomfort.

[justmee]

i really wouldn't recommend dry fasting. what are the benefits compared to water fasting? i wouldnt recommend anyone doing it for more than 4 days and even thats pushing it!
listen to your body and be wise; not too harsh on it!

[WannaFast]

Good to see you MightySunTzu! Could you please enlighten us and describe how dry fasting compares to wet, as far as their benefits go. From what you described so far it seems dry fasting had caused you some trouble, which was not the case with your water fasts, no?

I heard that climate is an important issue in dry fasts. Are you on the coast? If not, desert climate is too taxing for a long dry fast.

[ChrisGinsburg]

Don't think I would do a dry fast either. Especially not living in the desert.

[MightySunTzu]

Hi Justmee, WannaFast and Chris and thank you for your replies!

Originally Posted by WannaFast

Good to see you MightySunTzu! Could you please enlighten us and describe how dry fasting compares to wet, as far as their benefits go.

Thanks WannaFast. I will start by saying that i know we all have been trained to believe that "water is essential" which it is and that "no good can come from depriving ourselves (however temporarily) of this essential nutrient". So i realize that convincing anybody of the benefits of Dry fasting is an extremely steep up-hill battle. Nevertheless i will make a sincere attempt.

Something that may not be very well known is that when we fast our body creates water primarily as a byproduct of the fat we are burning. Hydrogen released from the metabolized fat combines with oxygen from air and creates h2o and according to Dr. Filonov, this water is exceedingly, exceedingly pure. I believe i read in Filonov's book that we create about 1 or 1.2 liter of this "metabolic" water each day while fasting.

So even when we dry fast, it is not quite as dry as people might imagine. Water (a certain amount of it) is indeed essential to us and the undertaking of lengthy dry fasts would not be possible without this metabolic water. Water is made more scarce, enough so to create a healthy competition among cells which leaves the diseased or otherwise weakened cells to die off, but in no way is water completely absent.

Russian Dr. Filanov is an expert in dry fasting and has supervised thousands of dry fasts, often up to 14 days. His imperfectly translated book Dry Medical Fasting: Myths and Reality is found here: https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B4t...3MjJh&hl=en_US. WannaFast if am i right to believe that you speak Russian you would certainly get more benefit from the original Russian text.

Originally Posted by Dr. Filonov

Dehydration causes competition between healthy cells and pathological organisms for water. It is a real survival-of-the-fittest scenario. Inflammation cannot survive without water. A wet environment is ideal for the proliferation of pathological bacteria, viruses and worms – water shortage is as devastating as fire for them. All dead or dying tissues will be expelled from the body. A water fast does the same thing but takes much longer to accomplish the goal.

What is inflammation? Tissues are swollen with water where infection is having a party. Pathological bacteria and microbes love wet terrain. Dry fasting eliminates inflammation the same way a swamp gets rid of mosquitoes and other insects when it dries up. Microbes are annihilated immediately. The shortage of water is a cleansing drought that is disastrous to the body’s enemies. It is pernicious for pathological bacteria.

Note that there is an analogous practice that involves training the body in intervals to adapt to restricted oxygen intake known as Intermittent Hypoxic training forcing the body to adapt and to achieve many benefits: Intermittent hypoxic training - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and YouTube - ‪Altitude Training - Intermittent Hypoxic Training‬‏

Originally Posted by Dr. Filonov Paraphrased

Dehydrated cells act as furnaces burning the toxic matter". [These are the weaker cells diseased or otherwise that are losing in the competion for the limited water].

Quantum Eating Chapter 9 on Dry Fasting, not a translation, originally written in English so it is easier to read: Quantum Eating: The Ultimate Elixir ... - Google Books

The advantage of dry fasting over other types of fasting: Dr. Filonov, (another very rough translation) Преимущество сухого голодания над другими видами голодания — Филонов Сергей Иванович ... Note that the Google Chrome browser will automatically translate this.

To follow is a link by Dr. Filanov on replacing and fantastically improving the quality of our bodily water stores: note that this topic is also discussed here in the easier to read untranslated Tanya Zavasta Book: Chapter 10 on heavy water (D2O/deuterium oxide).

Quantum Eating: The Ultimate Elixir ... - Google Books

Dr. Filonov's link: Замена старой, «мёртвой воды», на суперкачественную «живую воду» — Филонов Сергей Иванович

Originally Posted by from: [url=http://dherbs.com/forums/index.php?topic=7953.0;wap2

Fasting to Heal from Radiation Exposure[/url] It has been shown that dry fasting is a reliable method of protection from radiation. T.A. Voistovish, a director of healing and fasting retreats has had some very interesting results treating victims of nuclear radiation who had been subjected to 400 to 600 Roentgens of radiation as a result of the Chernobyl disasters. All of those treated with fasting quickly recovered. They only fasted for about two weeks and all their bodily functions were restored as well as cells regenerated!

It is said that there are no other methods that are this effective against radiation, literally, in the world. No other therapies, period. Dry fasting beats them all. The saying goes, never give a sick man food, and people that have gone through nuclear radiation definitely are sick, and need the time for the body to regenerate.

Originally Posted by Tonya Zavasta

Several Russian doctors were very successful in treating Chernobyl survivors with water and dry fasting. (See my book Quantum Eating for more on dry fasting.) One of these Russian doctors, Dr. Filonov, who conducted numerous supervised fasts, believes that to cleanse the body effectively after radioactive damage one must completely avoid consuming foods for an appropriate time. This method gave good results for victims of the Chernobyl disaster, even those who had suffered acute radiation sickness.

Dry fasting slows the rhythm of cell division, allowing the body to use more energy for repair and healing. The Chernobyl victims’ improved condition led researchers to believe that even heritable mutations can be reversed, with the restoration of the nucleic acids, DNA and RNA, taking place. Even damaged cells begin to divide normally.

Regular fasting also helps restore the protective functions of cells and organs against radiation damage. This is particularly important for those who live or work in settings where one is regularly subjected to radiation. The process of fasting improves the mechanisms for expelling toxic substances that interfere with the body’s proper functioning—radio-nuclides, nitrates, pesticides, heavy metals and other poisons.

Experiments on rats have tested the effects of fasting on the immune system. Filonov talked about an experiment he observed at one medical school: 120 white rats were divided into four groups of 30. All were injected with sarcoma (a cancer of the connective tissue). The control group ate regularly, while the other three groups were placed on a 3-day [Dry] fast at some point in the experiment. Of the group of 30 injected with sarcoma prior to the fast, half died. The second group, injected during the fast, had a 1/3 death rate. In the third group, injected immediately after the fast, all the rats survived. The rats in the control group, which did not fast, all died.

Only strong, viable cells survive a dry fast. So, as this experiment demonstrates, even short-term dry fasts serve as a powerful prophylactic against malignant tumors."

from: Raw Food Blog Blog Archive Radiation: What Can You Do?

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Obviously there is a lot more information out there and i have just touched on a few of the points that i believed to be important.

[MightySunTzu]

Originally Posted by WannaFast

I heard that climate is an important issue in dry fasts. Are you on the coast? If not, desert climate is too taxing for a long dry fast.

You are indeed right that climate is a very important factor in dictating the length we can dry fast before becoming "very" thirsty and/or beginning to dehydrate. A person can likely dry fast comfortably 2-3 times longer in various climates compared to a hot, dry climate. Part of why i was only able to reach 2.1 days this time is that it was 91 degrees here and also that i was forced to work all day in this heat because i had an ill timed crucial day of work that had to get done. I was both outside in it and have no air conditioning where i live. This is not to say that we can not dry fast in hot/dry climates, only that we will not be able to safely endure them as long.

Originally Posted by WannaFast

From what you described so far it seems dry fasting had caused you some trouble, which was not the case with your water fasts, no?

I certainly have faced a couple of challenges and no doubt dry fasting is a more aggressive and riskier endeavor than is drinking immediately upon the slightest hint of thirst. As i have mentioned it is essential to not allow thirst to become overwhelmingly strong as i had made the mistake of doing once. Finding the optimal duration in terms of maximizing the benefits without going too far has been for me a small journey of trial and error. In the 3.5 day fast i definately believe i pushed it too far, fighting a pretty strong and persistent thirst for too long and allowing several outward symptoms of dehydration to emerge. I strongly believe that the problems i encountered could all have been avoided by breaking this fast at 2.5 days, 24 hours of hard struggle earlier.

The 4 day fast was relatively comfortable and un-dehydrative. Breaking at 4 days here, i was comparable in thirst and in absence of dehydrative symptomology to where i was at the 2.5 day point in the difficult 3.5 day fast. I believe it was just bad luck that i unknowingly broke the fast in "crisis", breaking (as i theorize) with too much newly released toxicity (undetectable through existing symptomology at the time) in my system that wasn't given a proper opportunity to exit my body.

I also believe if i had broken this fast with a day of water before taking anything else, the sore throat and cough would not have emerged, thus i feel i have reinforced within my mind the importance of being even more conservative in breaking the dry fast, leading even more gradually into whole foods than i had in this instance with a longer period of water-only allowing for a more gradual and safe transition.

Otherwise i have done many shorter dry fasts, including about 3 months of aproximately 16 hour dry fasts each day, but also a few in the 24-51 hour range without incident. Each of my water-only fasts in the past couple of years consisted of many relatively comfortable dry segments contained therein meaning some substantial duration of dry fasting each and every day of these long water-only fasts (again most commonly 15-20 hours though some were longer including a 40 and a 44). None of the many dry fasts mentioned in this paragraph created any incidences, so for the most part and with only 2 exceptions i have managed to engage safely and relatively comfortably in the practice.

[WannaFast]

Thank you MightySunTzu for your thorough reply.

Yes I have read Filonov book and accounts of some of his fasters on a russian forum. It fascinates me, even though I've never went dry more than 48h. I've read that into the second week, many get bloodshot eyes giving them a horror-movie look.

I've read of remarkable results but also some complaints in regard to skin. Some women complained that their skin became too thin and developed wrinkles that never went away (after 7 and more days dry). But my own short dry fasts worked wonders for my skin. Go figure.

Good luck to you on your current fast and please do keep us posted

[MightySunTzu]

Originally Posted by WannaFast

Thank you MightySunTzu for your thorough reply.

Yes I have read Filonov book and accounts of some of his fasters on a russian forum.

You are most welcome. If you would be so kind i would appreciate having you post links to this russian fasting forum to which you refer and any other good dry fasting sites. I have searched pretty hard and it seems that most of the good information on dry fasting is in Russian.

Originally Posted by WannaFast

It fascinates me, even though I've never went dry more than 48h.

It fascinates me too... and then you are overtaken by thirst that is too strong, or?

Originally Posted by WannaFast

I've read that into the second week, many get bloodshot eyes giving them a horror-movie look.

This could be really useful in certain scenarios .

Originally Posted by WannaFast

I've read of remarkable results but also some complaints in regard to skin. Some women complained that their skin became too thin and developed wrinkles that never went away (after 7 and more days dry). But my own short dry fasts worked wonders for my skin. Go figure.

Hmm, i have no complaints either and have not read the same negative reports that you have seen, only positive ones.

Originally Posted by WannaFast

Good luck to you on your current fast and please do keep us posted

Thank you. Not sure what i might do in the coming few days, but i decided to break the combined fast at 5 days. Been eating clean veg and fruit for about 1.75 now and feeling pretty fantastic. May or may not decide to go back into another small fast this week while the ketosis enzymes are still present in my system, even if it's just another 2 day dry fast. I have a feeling getting through the day 1 hunger would not be as challenging as usual. Any fasting on your horizon?

[ginkgo]

Is dry fasting just like water fasting, but without the water? You had said that the theory was that dry fasting purified your body at a much faster rate. But I asked if you felt that happened with you when you dry fasted and you said "no."

Well I guess you will let us know if it does what fasting could not do.

[MightySunTzu]

Originally Posted by ginkgo

Is dry fasting just like water fasting, but without the water?

Is this a trick question? In any case, yes ginkgo you have nailed it on the head.

Originally Posted by ginkgo

You had said that the theory was that dry fasting purified your body at a much faster rate. But I asked if you felt that happened with you when you dry fasted and you said "no."

This was a ways back, but if i remember correctly you asked if i believed that i burned fat 3x faster in a dry fast vs. a water-only fast and i said i strongly believed i didn't. You asked if i believed my body was detoxified (/purified) at a significantly faster rate through dry fasting and i said "yes". I proceeded to support this belief by stating that i had dry fasted for a period (might have been when i did 44 hours) and woke up with a coated tongue, then transitioned into water as the water-only fast continued and woke up the next day without the coating. I surmised from this that i seemed to be detoxing faster in the dry fast than in the wet fast. Is any of this ringing a bell?

Originally Posted by ginkgo

Well I guess you will let us know if it does what fasting could not do.

Fasting with water is amazingly beneficial and as you know i have done my fair share of it as have you. Water-only fasting has accomplished many good things for me and i have no complaints. I just believe that fasting dry is even more beneficial and that the strongest fast will be achieved if we drink as little water as we can stand and have the longest dry segments possible within our safe limits before switching to water-only and then back to dry. I thus believe that fasting without water (to the extent that we can do it without getting too deep into thirst) is taking us to the next level in terms of powerful, effective cleansing and healing. I believe dry fasting accomplishes the same things as water-only fasting, but in less time. I also believe that substantial dry fasts are extremely aggressive and are best reserved for experienced fasters. Did you get a chance to read through any of the quotes and links?

[ginkgo]

Originally Posted by MightySunTzu

Is this a trick question? In any case, yes ginkgo you have nailed it on the head.

This was a ways back, but if i remember correctly you asked if i believed that i burned fat 3x faster in a dry fast vs. a water-only fast and i said i strongly believed i didn't. You asked if i believed my body was detoxified (/purified) at a significantly faster rate through dry fasting and i said "yes". I proceeded to support this belief by stating that i had dry fasted for a period (might have been when i did 44 hours) and woke up with a coated tongue, then transitioned into water as the water-only fast continued and woke up the next day without the coating. I surmised from this that i seemed to be detoxing faster in the dry fast than in the wet fast. Is any of this ringing a bell?

are extremely aggressive and are best reserved for experienced fasters. Did you get a chance to read through any of the quotes and links?

I guess this is written down somewhere. The above is not ringing a bell. Maybe you wrote it down but I did not read it since you kept adding on to the same thread and I stopped following it. I am not sure about the above but I know that I have no interest in fat lost during a fast. I have always had low body fat. The detoxification is what I am interested in.

I remember that you had true hunger but your tongue was still coated. Is the above a 2nd time of true hunger? No coating means true hunger, right? So did you feel the true hunger this time? I do not have Google Chrome.

Also as far as what you are getting into, I read about that guy who went from fruitarian to breatharian. I think at that point that he no longer needed to drink anything. So maybe you are getting into the part about transcending the needs of the body. One expert faster, Arnold Ehret got to where he was an occasional eater, eating only once in a while.

As far as the first part I was making fun of people calling a fast a water fast. In English, they try to pick a word to stand for the most common usage. So since refined wheat is used the most, you can just call it 'wheat." White rice is called 'rice.' Common table salt as opposed to other salts is just called salt. Kilocalories are just called calories. Carbohydrates are just called carbs. Although I do not see the point of calling pregnant 'preggars.'

[MightySunTzu]

Originally Posted by ginkgo

I am not sure about the above but I know that I have no interest in fat lost during a fast. I have always had low body fat. The detoxification is what I am interested in.

Yes i know this about you, but i believe you asked about the fat burning as a matter of general interest and to question the claim that has been made by others.

Originally Posted by ginkgo

I remember that you had true hunger but your tongue was still coated. Is the above a 2nd time of true hunger? No coating means true hunger, right? So did you feel the true hunger this time? I do not have Google Chrome.

No i never experienced true hunger a 2nd time, only at 29.67 days of my first 30 day fast where as you say my tongue was still coated... and this hunger was the result of having run low on some nutrient, not of becoming completely cleansed. Absence of coating does not necessarily equate to true hunger. I have experienced it being nowhere near the true hunger phenomenon.

I was delighted to get google chrome since it opened up a whole new world of Dry Fasting research that had previously not existed for me.

I may have experienced true thrist one or more times, though with thirst it's such a gradually increasing phenomenon it is hard to know when that point has been reached and i have yet to come across any authoritative literature on the subject. With hunger i went from no hunger whatsoever for 29 days, 16 hours to something immensely more powerful than i had ever experienced before in what seemed to be an instant.

Originally Posted by ginkgo

Also as far as what you are getting into, I read about that guy who went from fruitarian to breatharian. I think at that point that he no longer needed to drink anything. So maybe you are getting into the part about transcending the needs of the body.

I am not thinking that way at all for myself. At present i am very happy with eating... eating healthy foods and fasting periodically in between, as much dry as possible (which for me is not very much). I am interested in cleansing, healing and optimizing the health and vitality of my body... and i believe that fasting is an essential component in this.

Originally Posted by ginkgo

As far as the first part I was making fun of people calling a fast a water fast. In English, they try to pick a word to stand for the most common usage. So since refined wheat is used the most, you can just call it 'wheat." White rice is called 'rice.' Common table salt as opposed to other salts is just called salt. Kilocalories are just called calories. Carbohydrates are just called carbs. Although I do not see the point of calling pregnant 'preggars.'

Haha . Well we all have to decide for ourselves what is important in life and for you it comes down to calling water-only fasting just "fasting".

[ginkgo]

You know that they all say that the theory is that if your tongue loses its coat during the fast, it is supposed to have true hunger with it since the body is as clean as it will get. That is the theory.

[WannaFast]

Sorry MightySunTzu for delay. I was absent for a while. Here are the links to russian fasting forums. I inserted a space after http, because the thingie was unwrapping them in incomprehensible letters that had nothing to do with russian, but ... i don't know. Just remove space after http in them.

http ://golodanie.su/forum/index.php?
http ://www.goltis.info/forum/viewforum/7/
http://golodanieda.f.qip.ru/

That's Filonov's sight suhoe = dry, golodanie = fasts:
http ://www.filonov.net/statji/vidyi-golodaniya/suhoe-fraktsionnoe-golodanie

That's another dry fast "guru"
http ://shennikov.ucoz.ru/

Google translator is not bad, but russian is not easily translatable to english. entrance is initiation of a fast and exit is breaking it. And fasting is often translated as hunger. So, watch out.


I try to fast weekly a day or two, but anything longer... I lack commitment, perseverance and discipline I did a week past spring and then 2 weeks a while later. Both on water.

Where in S. CA are you? SB by any chance? It's too dry there to fast dry. Unless you are proper on the beach.

[Anythingwilldo]

Interesting! I have gone on water only fasts, but never even heard of dry fasting. wow! I'll have to research it now!

[MightySunTzu]

Originally Posted by ginkgo

You know that they all say that the theory is that if your tongue loses its coat during the fast, it is supposed to have true hunger with it since the body is as clean as it will get. That is the theory.

I believe this to be true in a cleansed and healed body, but if we are cleansed but not healed, i believe the coating will disappear but hunger will remain dormant as the body continues to heal at an accelerated rate. I know the two will often accompany one another, but I don't recall reading about the nuances in the relationship between them so the previous statement is just my own opinion. In my own personal experience my tongue got clean towards the end of a long fast (it was probably the 3rd long fast in the series of 3), but i remained in the absence of hunger and incomplete in the healing of my injured heart. Maybe there was a tiny coating that i didn't notice but i no longer recall.

Originally Posted by WannaFast

Sorry MightySunTzu for delay. I was absent for a while. Here are the links to russian fasting forums...

That's Filonov's sight suhoe = dry, golodanie = fasts:
http ://www.filonov.net/statji/vidyi-golodaniya/suhoe-fraktsionnoe-golodanie

Thank you WannaFast for the links and for the Russian lesson .

Originally Posted by WannaFast

Google translator is not bad, but russian is not easily translatable to english. entrance is initiation of a fast and exit is breaking it. And fasting is often translated as hunger. So, watch out.

Yes i completely understand and thanks . It's a lot better than nothing but for these and other reasons it's an added challenge on the brain to be sure and the reading becomes a bit like walking instead of running.

Originally Posted by WannaFast

I try to fast weekly a day or two, but anything longer... I lack commitment, perseverance and discipline I did a week past spring and then 2 weeks a while later. Both on water.

Sounds pretty solid actually. Eating and drinking are so desirable and exciting that we really need a great reason to endure through a long fast, otherwise it's too hard a fight.

Originally Posted by WannaFast

Where in S. CA are you? SB by any chance? It's too dry there to fast dry. Unless you are proper on the beach.

I was in Orange County for a lot of years then had a house in the local mountains for several years (near Big Bear). Currently and temporarily i am in New York taking care of some business. I don't' believe it's ever too dry to dry fast, only that it becomes an important factor in mitigating the safe duration.

Originally Posted by Anythingwilldo

Interesting! I have gone on water only fasts, but never even heard of dry fasting. wow! I'll have to research it now!

Yes it's a fascinating subject Anythingwilldo. All the best .