Relieve Back Pain

[coolbir]

Hi everyone, this article provides a few ways to releive back pain.

Relieve Back Pain - Able Cures

[Uplift]

Back pain is a classic western ailment brought on by a lack of balanced spinal erector and abdominal area (muscles which are meant to be awesomely powerful) development and use. The associated results are undernourished, underdeveloped vertebrae, discs and nervous system. I have personally witnessed many chronic, bed ridden, pain racked, depressed cripples 'miraculously' cured. And this after they have exhausted every possible cure, and been reduced to a life of painkillers. A genius named Nigel Websdale, who is unfortunately no longer with us, and who's own story is a miracle, produced these amazing results. His methods fly in the face of the ludicrous, western acceptance of basic chronic physical weakness. Ever seen sixty to seventy year old Indonesian men and women carry huge blocks of ice, or buckets of stone, balanced on their shoulders or heads, up and down hills, for miles and miles. They don't even understand, and have never heard of the concept of bad backs. If you need to treat lifting a shopping bag full of cola, chips, and chocolate bars as a major feat, or if a walk around the block, or a bike ride, jog, etc becomes a major physical achievement, you shouldn't be in the least bit suprised at back pain or other ailments. No wonder heaps of westerners pay little undernourished kids or old men to carry their luggage, or even themselves when on holidays in third world countries. It's hilarious (Monty Python style) how one of the most obese, unfit cultures to ever grace the planet, is dumbfounded about it's physical ailments.

[escapee]

If nothing seems to help, Acupuncture, the 2500 TCM is always there as a last resort .

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Uplift

Back pain is a classic western ailment brought on by a lack of balanced spinal erector and abdominal area (muscles which are meant to be awesomely powerful) development and use. The associated results are undernourished, underdeveloped vertebrae, discs and nervous system. I have personally witnessed many chronic, bed ridden, pain racked, depressed cripples 'miraculously' cured. And this after they have exhausted every possible cure, and been reduced to a life of painkillers. A genius named Nigel Websdale, who is unfortunately no longer with us, and who's own story is a miracle, produced these amazing results. His methods fly in the face of the ludicrous, western acceptance of basic chronic physical weakness. Ever seen sixty to seventy year old Indonesian men and women carry huge blocks of ice, or buckets of stone, balanced on their shoulders or heads, up and down hills, for miles and miles. They don't even understand, and have never heard of the concept of bad backs. If you need to treat lifting a shopping bag full of cola, chips, and chocolate bars as a major feat, or if a walk around the block, or a bike ride, jog, etc becomes a major physical achievement, you shouldn't be in the least bit suprised at back pain or other ailments. No wonder heaps of westerners pay little undernourished kids or old men to carry their luggage, or even themselves when on holidays in third world countries. It's hilarious (Monty Python style) how one of the most obese, unfit cultures to ever grace the planet, is dumbfounded about it's physical ailments.

Hello Uplift…

Could you please tell us more about Nigel Websdale… Google has never heard of the guy…

Back pain is a classic western ailment brought on by a lack of balanced spinal erector and abdominal area (muscles which are meant to be awesomely powerful) development and use. The associated results are undernourished, underdeveloped vertebrae, discs and nervous system.

Could you give us any scientific data to back up those allegations…

Unless you can do so… I respectfully submit that this entire post is based on hearsay and should be dismissed as being based on personal opinion rather than scientific evidences…

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[Shamou]

Originally Posted by coolbir

Hi everyone, this article provides a few ways to releive back pain.

Relieve Back Pain - Able Cures

Good link and good advices... I would simply add to that the fact that mild stretching exercises would also be beneficial...

Good link... and thank you for sharing that...

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[Uplift]

Steve Waugh, Mal Meninga, Pat Cash, Tom Carrol are some of the top sports people Nigel Websdale rehabilitated. There have been plenty of newspaper and magazine articles about his results. I have zero interest in the theories of a science creating the most obese, unfit cultures ever. I trust my own observations ('science') and experience. I trust truth. Our culture considers anyone slightly fit or strong as extreme, champion, or fanatical athletes, whilst excepting ridiculously pitiful levels of fitness, strength and health as 'normal'. So as a result, we have 'epedemics' of obesity, high blood pressure, diabetes, cancer, heart disease, etc, etc, etc. If you can do strict hyperextensions with 50 or 60 kgs, which is fairly average in reality, your back will be bulletproof. Sadly the average person struggles in terror with their own bodyweight. If you can do hanging knee raises with 20 or 30 kgs, ditto. Sadly the average person's hands, arms and shoulders crumble before they get anywhere near raising the weight. Extreme is when guys lift cars and boulders and drag trains. 'Excuse me, would you like me to show you the correct way to lift that car buddy. Learn from us, the latest scientific breakthrough came up with this way to lift our shopping bags, or pencils, if you are very careful and copy us you wont destroy your back.' Thanks, but no thanks.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Uplift
I have zero interest in the theories of a science creating the most obese, unfit cultures ever.

And what might that science be…???

I trust my own observations ('science') and experience. I trust truth.

What are your qualifications… training etc… in the medical field…???

If you can do strict hyperextensions with 50 or 60 kgs, which is fairly average in reality, your back will be bulletproof.

Sorry… with all due respect… that is simply inacurate… I have seen more body builders and power lifter with back problems than you can shake your finger at… physical strength may help… but it will not guarantee you against back problems…

I have been in the business of helping people with back problems for decades… I have treated thousands of patients… I was named Chiropractor of the year in Canada… I have lectured in over fifteen majors cities in the USA and Canada… I have written about it in newspapers and magazines… been interviewed on TV and radio… so, I honestly believe that I know what I’m talking about…

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[Uplift]

I have my experience, qualifications (including paper) and results too. The qualifications I value most, aren't my bits of paper, that pretty much anyone can get hold of, although perhaps I should, as they are a powerful marketing tool. The qualifications that I truly value are my experience, actions, and outcomes, resulting in my amazing, injury free health and fitness at 51 years. I also highly value the real results and help that I have given many people, and their joy. As for Nigel Websdale, like I said 'flew in the face of science'. He succeeded when all the other physio's, chiro's, natropaths, doctors, specialists, accupuncturists, remedial alternate therapies and drugs didn't. Modern bodybuilding isn't always a healthy pastime and attracts plenty of extremely unhealthy ideals, that often have zero to do with strong, healthy spines. Plenty of bodybuilders couldn't do hyperextensions with any sort of strength or confidence, let alone hanging mid section work. Powerlifters aiming to lift extreme, extreme weights often do knowingly risk injury. However, it is one thing to get injured attempting to lift hundreds and hundreds of kgs, or likewise attempting extreme, often unbalanced muscle growth, combined with extreme lack of body fat. It is also another extreme getting injured pumping up fitballs, or getting out bed, or trying to get a box of corn flakes saftely to the car. I have my own strong views on chiro, so as we are at opposites, will comment no further. Each to their own. By the way, ever heard of Piltdown Man? Aaah, science, it must be true! The scientists said... Remember science before quantum physics? All those 'scientific journals' that were umm...wrong. So what do you reckon is next, you know, when quantum physics is... err, wrong. What came first, the naturally, healthy, amazing, resiliant, human body or science? What came first, science, or obesity and bad backs? What do you think of Bruce Lipton's observations on the state of biology and science? While we are on it, here's a beauty, ever heard of cane toads? But the scientests said...

[shesaboutspirit]

this whole thread is giving me a backache.....

tee hee

[escapee]

Sorry… with all due respect… that is simply inacurate… I have seen more body builders and power lifter with back problems than you can shake your finger at… physical strength may help… but it will not guarantee you against back problems…

That's also true if the poorly informed builders consume a crappy diet full of of modern man made food (eg: refined sugar, ice cream and etc ) . I think this is what uplift was emphasizing.

At the end of the day, both of you are right that back pain can be caused by both physical strain or a bad diet (or in combination).

Back Pain - Information About Causes of Back Pain

Causes of Back Pain
Lumbar Muscle Strain
Muscle strains are the most common cause of low back pain. Patients may or may not remember the initial event that triggered their muscle spasm, but the good news is that most episodes of back pain from muscle strains resolve completely within a few weeks.

Ruptured Disc
A ruptured intervertebral disc, also called a herniated disc, is another common cause of back pain. How to treat the back pain from a herniated disc depends on the particular individual and situation.

Discogenic Back Pain
Discogenic back pain is thought to be a common cause of low back pain. Discogenic back pain cis the result of damage to the intervertabral disc, but without disc herniation. Diagnosis of discogenic back pain may require the use of a discogram.

Spinal Stenosis
Spinal stenosis causes back pain in the aging population. As we age, the spinal canal can become constricted, due in part to arthritis and other conditions. If the spinal canal becomes too tight, back pain can be the result.

Arthritis
Arthritis most commonly affects joints such as the knees and fingers. However, arthritis can affect any joint in the body, including the small joints of the spine. Arthritis of the spine can cause back pain with movement.

Spondylolisthesis
Spondylolisthesis causes back pain because adjacent vertebra become unstable and begin to "slip." The most common cause of spondylolisthesis is due to degenerative changes causing loss of the normal stabilizing structures of the spinal column. If the spine becomes unstable enough, back pain can become a problem.

Osteoporosis
Osteoporosis can cause a number of orthopedic problems and generalized discomfort. Back pain from osteoporosis is most commonly related to compression fractures of the vertebra. Osteoporosis causes weak bones and can lead to these fractures.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by escapee

That's also true if the poorly informed builders consume a crappy diet full of of modern man made food (eg: refined sugar, ice cream and etc ) . I think this is what uplift was emphasizing.

At the end of the day, both of you are right that back pain can be caused by both physical strain or a bad diet (or in combination).

Back Pain - Information About Causes of Back Pain

Would you mind telling us where you found evidences that back pain was caused by bad nutrition...???

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[shesaboutspirit]

"evidence" of back pain caused by emotional disturbance......



My back.

[escapee]

Since Back pain can also be linked to Osteoperosis .

NEJM -- Homocysteine Levels and the Risk of Osteoporotic Fracture

Conclusions An increased homocysteine level appears to be a strong and independent risk factor for osteoporotic fractures in older men and women.

As we know, Homocysteine level is determined by B12, folic acid, B6 which are found abundantly on real food such as ( Meat, egg, vegetable and etc ). Eating a diet deprived of such nutrients would result result in an elevated level of Homocysteine level. This condition is further aggravated by nutrients leeching human made food like refined sugar and etc .

ScienceDaily: Exercise Increases Bone Mass: Start Early For Long-Lasting Effects

What People Recovering from Alcoholism Need to Know About Osteoporosis

Celiac disease ( Gluten intolerance ) and Osteo link

Soy and Osteoporosis: Not a Leg to Stand On
Myth exploded

These data indicate that when soy protein is substituted for meat protein, there is an acute decline in dietary calcium bioavailability."

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by escapee
Since Back pain can also be linked to Osteoperosis

Osteoporosis only causes pain in the very advanced stages as seen in elderly people... so, I would certainly not consider it to be a major cause of back pain... I would even dare to say that compared to all other causes of back pain... it is relatively insignificant...

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[escapee]

Would you show me a study that says it's insignificant ?

What about Arthritis and
Spondylolisthesis ?

Obviously a bad diet speeds up the process of aging and degenerative diseases.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by shesaboutspirit

"evidence" of back pain caused by emotional disturbance......



My back.

I don't know if you are wondering if emotional disturbances can cause back pain or if you want scientific evidence... but either way... here it is...

It should be emphasized that even though psychological factors may be causing the physical symptoms, the symptoms are not imaginary. They are very real physical problems (such as back pain), which are being impacted upon by emotional factors.

See here for entire article...

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[Shamou]

Originally Posted by escapee

Would you show me a study that says it's insignificant ?

What about Arthritis and
Spondylolisthesis ?

Obviously a bad diet speeds up the process of aging and degenerative diseases.

I did not say that the pain caused by fractures caused by osteoporosis were insignificant... I said the the number of cases of back pain caused by osteoporosis was...

And, I will agree with you that a bad diet will accelerate any type of degenerative diseases... and that those can effectively cause back pain...

However, this whole discussion started with the fact that I did not agree that having a strong back will absolutely prevent back pain... and, I still maintain that position...

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[escapee]

Back pain due to emotional disturbances ?

Try EFT to relieve the pain

[escapee]

I did not agree that having a strong back will absolutely prevent back pain

Of course having a strong back is not going to absolutely prevent back pain .
But we all know that a strong bone is definitely going to help on strain resistance during strenuous physical activities ( ex : golfing ).

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by escapee

Back pain due to emotional disturbances ?

Try EFT to relieve the pain

If you Google for, "Cure for Back pain due to emotional disturbances" you will get 934,000 sites... see here...

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[Shamou]

Originally Posted by escapee

Of course having a strong back is not going to absolutely prevent back pain .
But we all know that a strong bone is definitely going to help on strain resistance during strenuous physical activities ( ex : golfing ).

Sorry... bone strength have nothing to do with back pain other than in the cases of osteoporosis... or stress fractures...

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[escapee]

More power to google ..

[escapee]