What do you think causes cancer?

[Indiana]

Originally Posted by scorpio1980

The fact is that when we have studied isolated tribes that lived naturally, cancer was non existent.

Really. Can you supply some links to this scientific 'fact'? Because I have googled the hell out of it and can't find any credible evidence to support it.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by Indiana

Really. Can you supply some links to this scientific 'fact'? Because I have googled the hell out of it and can't find any credible evidence to support it.

I've been trying to research it before I responded to him. I've seen a few isolated examples, but nothing credible yet. I'm also trying to figure out what might be the cause IF his "fact" is real. Maybe it's a cancer risk passed down the blood line, with these tribes never having it introduces into their blood line. I'd want to know if they'd get cancer if they were introduces into the civilized world, yet maintained their blood lines.

[secrets0stolen]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

27 out of a MILLION. That's a .0027% increase chance of getting cancer compared to someone with out dioxin in their breast milk. We are also talking about an average from just 50 women.

I'm not going to speculate whether or not people have a higher chance of getting cancer then 100 years ago. It's quite possible. But without knowing rates from the past, it's just speculation. Just how much higher of a chance is it NOW then before, even if we are 100% sure that the IR has raised chances?

I couldn't answer that exactly, none of us could. However if you read the whole article 27 out of a million was the increased chance for the baby nursing for a year, not for the woman, or for anyone who has dioxin stored in their body. The significance of that study wasn't the limited effects it chose to examine, it was the fact that more likely than not all of us have carcinogens regularly in our bodies, this just being one particular one that someone chose to measure.

[Indiana]

Originally Posted by elucidate

Sorry that you are feeling this way, and that your father has cancer Indiana.

It's not fair, that's for sure. My grandfather smoked a pack a day for 20 years, and his lungs were found to be clean when he eventually did die. You're right about cancer being indiscriminate, and it's a mystery why some people's cells get activated and others cruise through life doing all the 'wrong' things and never get it.

I kinda deduced from that fact that the people who did take care of themselves seemed to worry alot about getting cancer, and I even knew a woman once who was battling Hodgkins Lymphoma, and she admitted that for her, she felt that it was the worrying about it so much whilst maintaining a vegan lifestyle, that triggered those cancer cells to be activated.

She said that she felt instinctively that this is what happened. I suppose she could have been wrong, but it just seems funny that the ones who don't get it aren't worried about getting it.

The women I work with , who are microbiologists, say that it's true, that it's just a mystery what happens with cancer cells. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason.

But yes, you're right, we all have the luxury of speculating about it, and it doesn't help the people who have to watch their loved one disintegrate. I'm so sorry this is happening for your father and your family.

Thanks Luci.

The truth is there are no guarantees with cancer. Of course there are some things that have proven high correlations with cancer rates - smoking, dioxin and asbestos exposure, alcohol abuse, obesity. And there are things that have proven correlation rates with lower incidences of cancer - high intake of fruit and vegetables, etc. But these are only generalised across populations. At an individual level, you can do everything 'right', or live a very healthy life, and there's no guarantee you're safe. And you can do everything wrong, and never get it.

I think this kind of speculation is like people invoking a kind of talisman against getting it. "If I just think the right thoughts, and do the right things, I'll be fine". Or conversely "If they got it, it's because they didn't do everything right". That's just magical thinking.

[scorpio1980]

All I'm really saying is this. Do you all really believe that heart disease, diabetes, and most other degenerative diseases are caused in part by lifestyle, but now cancer? Really? I find that hard to believe. I don't believe cancer exclusive to bad lifestyle, but I believe it does contribute to the greater amount of disease including cancer. I know that drinking cola all day long gives me a higher likely hood of developing diabetes, I know that smoking constricts a person's blood vessels, which in turn is a trigger for heart disease. Why then would cancer be the lone disease that is not related to lifestyle choices? I have multiple family members that died of cancer, my grandma at 63 lived a healthy lifestyle, and on the surface you would see no reason for her cancer, but behind the scenes she was a stressed woman, because of my grandfathers infidelity, and the fact he was a hate filled man. I'm sure their are people out there that had absolutely no reason to get cancer, but if you look a little closer I doubt very seriously that most people live as clean of a life as they should, because today it's nearly impossible. Right now I'm using a wireless keyboard, and truthfully this may be a very bad lifestyle choice. I use a cell phone, my gf uses a microwave, we spend our lives in building away from the sun, and wear shoes which takes away our absorbtion of the earth's energy. I like to think of myself as a healthy guy, but I still choose some bad choices.

[Indiana]

Originally Posted by scorpio1980

All I'm really saying is this. Do you all really believe that heart disease, diabetes, and most other degenerative diseases are caused in part by lifestyle, but now cancer? Really?

Of course there are correlations with certain behaviours. But avoidance of all triggers is impossible. Carcinogens are everywhere. In the air we breathe. In the radiation that passes through us from multiple sources daily. In sunlight. In water. In food. In the products we use to clean ourselves and our environments, in the clothes we wear, in the vehicles we drive, in bacteria, in paint, in minerals naturally occurring in the earth, the medicines we take to heal ourselves, in hormones occurring from our emotional states, in our very genes.

I don't call that 'lifestyle'. I call that 'being alive'.

[scorpio1980]

Originally Posted by Indiana

Of course there are correlations with certain behaviours. But avoidance of all triggers is impossible. Carcinogens are everywhere. In the air we breathe. In the radiation that passes through us from multiple sources daily. In sunlight. In water. In food. In the products we use to clean ourselves and our environments, in the clothes we wear, in the vehicles we drive, in bacteria, in paint, in minerals naturally occurring in the earth, the medicines we take to heal ourselves, in hormones occurring from our emotional states, in our very genes.

I don't call that 'lifestyle'. I call that 'being alive'.

We can choose to eat organic, choose to drink better water, choose to live in a different place, choose to wear different clothing. That is all I am trying to say. Sure we have to live with somethings, but a lot of the things that trigger cancer we make a logical lifestyle choice to take part or not. I do not disagree that cancer is vicious, nor do I deny that sometimes it affects people for no reason, but to completely deny that we play any role with the choices we make does nothing but make us out to be a victim. I accept the fact that some of my lifestyle choices could cause disease, and I just try my best to make the best choices possible. I have seen too many people healed from adopting a better lifestyle to deny our choices make a big difference in cancer rates.

[Indiana]

Originally Posted by scorpio1980

...to completely deny that we play any role with the choices we make does nothing but make us out to be a victim.

a) Where in this thread has anyone said this?

Some choices can increase your risk of cancer.
Other choices can diminish it.
There are, however, absolutely no guarantees either way.

b) Do you believe that people are never the victim of circumstances entirely beyond their control? What's wrong with being the victim of circumstances you did not choose? Isn't it, in some cases, worse to tell people it's their own fault they're a victim?

[JamesKnochel]

Originally Posted by secrets0stolen

This isn't something we can avoid by lifestyle choices, for the most part, because that's what toxification of the total environment means.

Cancer and other chronic diseases always appear in the body's energy fields first. If a person keeps their energy fields balanced, the body will stay healthy, in spite of whatever negative environmental influences might exist.

Edgar Cayce frequently said that "Mind is the builder" of the physical experience.

While diet and thoughts and all the rest are significant, there are more important factors to consider too.

-James

[LostMyMap]

Originally Posted by Trustme

genetics

More and more, they are finding out that there are genetic links to cancer. There are specific genes associated with some kinds of breast cancer. This is probably the answer to why one man smokes like a chimney and doesn't get cancer, and another who lives cleanly does.

The thing is, there isn't one simple answer to this simple question. Genetics + environment + behaviours etc.

Don't forget, cancer afflicts more than just humans.

[Just Passing Through]

Originally Posted by Indiana

At an individual level, you can do everything 'right', or live a very healthy life, and there's no guarantee you're safe. And you can do everything wrong, and never get it.

I've found what is referred to as health is something subjectively blanket generalized and over-simplified. Health refers to the level of functionality of the organism. Another word for health is vitality. It's also known as life force.

Whether I am meeting or not meeting some one's subjective checklist for "health" has nothing to do with my own personal life force and it has nothing to do with the forces at work which affect my life force.

From what I've seen of a vast majority of people here and elsewhere discussing "health" it is more of a religion than anything else

[BobbySox]

I am not connected to the following site.

Gluten Intolerance Leads to Cancer, Heart Disease and Death, Research Shows

Gluten intolerance is widely underdiagnosed, hence the high numbers of cancers of all kinds IMHO.

[Alancinqmars]

Hello and here's my ideas on the causes of cancer. One is stress, which can be helped by exercise. The second could be from the different chemicals we put into our bodies thru the foods we eat. And the last thing I can see as a problem is environmental. By that I mean chemicals in the soil,air and water.
Thanks,Alan Cinqmars

[forSMARTpeople]

Guys. I thought that this was suppose to be a forum for "smart" people... I was viewing the comments and i just had to set this strait.

Cellphones, electromagnetic fields, microwaves, and radio waves CANNOT, i repeat CANNOT, cause cancer. The wavelength of microwaves and radio waves are to long to even penetrate the FIRST layer of skin! that's what causes cancer. some sort of radiation hitting the part of the DNA that controls replication or a mistake in mitosis (the phase of a cell's life cycle where it splits). NOT stress, NOT diet, NOT using your cell phone!!!!!

the nucleus of a cell is the MOST GUARDED part of a cell! cancer isn't something that is "turned on" its caused by a mistake. Though diet may (maybe!) contribute to cancer. If you knew anything about organic chemistry or the physical sciences then you would know this.

So thanks for listening to my rant! now i hope that that cleared this up a little!

[Acting Like Godot]

The increasing rate of death by cancer is actually caused by the decreasing rate of death by polio, cholera, typhoid, rabies, malaria, tuberculosis, smallpox and bubonic plague.

People didn't use to get cancer so much, because they typically died at a younger age, of one of those other diseases. The prevalence of those diseases have been reduced by modern advances in technology, sanitation, vaccination and medical knowledge.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by forSMARTpeople

Guys. I thought that this was suppose to be a forum for "smart" people... I was viewing the comments and i just had to set this strait.

Cellphones, electromagnetic fields, microwaves, and radio waves CANNOT, i repeat CANNOT, cause cancer. The wavelength of microwaves and radio waves are to long to even penetrate the FIRST layer of skin! that's what causes cancer. some sort of radiation hitting the part of the DNA that controls replication or a mistake in mitosis (the phase of a cell's life cycle where it splits). NOT stress, NOT diet, NOT using your cell phone!!!!!

the nucleus of a cell is the MOST GUARDED part of a cell! cancer isn't something that is "turned on" its caused by a mistake. Though diet may (maybe!) contribute to cancer. If you knew anything about organic chemistry or the physical sciences then you would know this.

So thanks for listening to my rant! now i hope that that cleared this up a little!

I always thought that these waves go right through human bodies! They are invisible after all, so how would it be that they stop at the first layer of skin...that doesn't make any sense.

Cancer is already present in every one of us. It lies dormant until it is triggered, by whatever influence that triggers it. It's very hard to pinpoint exactly what does trigger cancer cells since there are so many influences out there.

Also, there have been numerous studies about the possible adverse reactions that mobile phones have on cancer cells, and with a growing number of people being struck with brain cancer, a number of brain specialists are convinced that they ARE being caused by mobile phones.

You haven't set anything straight and you didn't provide any sort of link proving that your assertion is true.

Are we supposed to just take your word for it because you think you are smarter than everyone else here? Are you a specialist in cancer or just some random who decided to tell us all we're wrong for his/her first post?

[MeatisMurder]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

Dairy products and sugar has nothing to do with it, nor is it not eating veggies. Plenty of people have gotten cancer while not drinking dairy and eating sugar while having plenty of veggies. No reason to even bring those up, as I don't recall a single study that showed it to be true. I don't know why everyone has such a disdain for dairy.

RUSSIANROCKET CAUSES CANCER

This guy sounds like an Animal Murderer.

It sounds like he kills and eats them, even when he isn't hungry.

If you are ok with KILLING ANIMALS because you think they are good for you.

Then lay yourself down on a table SO WE CAN EAT YOU!!!

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by MeatisMurder

RUSSIANROCKET CAUSES CANCER

This guy sounds like an Animal Murderer.

It sounds like he kills and eats them, even when he isn't hungry.

If you are ok with KILLING ANIMALS because you think they are good for you.

Then lay yourself down on a table SO WE CAN EAT YOU!!!

You sound pretty hostile for a vego. There was no reason for this...he did nothing to incite such a reaction.

So, you think that calling a person names AND inciting the crowd to participate in cannibalism to get back at meat eaters is a civilized way of approaching what you see to be the problem?

Interesting...

By the way, this is a thread about what causes cancer...not "lets kill all animal murderers because we are so righteous and they are so wrong"

[elucidate]

And I just noticed that person has been banned.

Oh well!

[russianrocket]

jeez lol that's the third person I've made go crazy, and get banned. I hope they don't start stalking me like the others.

[Mounds]

Way to cause cancer, RR.

I'm glad we sorted this mystery out

[BillyTheAdult]

Reminds me of this The Cause of Cancer - YouTube

[russianrocket]

oh wait, no, make that 4 people. Waterfast got banned, so I'm guessing that this is waterfast trying to get back at me for that one thread about cooked food giving people more energy.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by Mounds

Way to cause cancer, RR.

I'm glad we sorted this mystery out

I'm sorry I caused all that cancer. I didn't realize it was such a hideous disease .

I'm sorry I caused all that throat cancer, and all that bowel cancer. I was just on a role. And, I promise I won't do it again

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

I'm sorry I caused all that cancer. I didn't realize it was such a hideous disease .

I'm sorry I caused all that throat cancer, and all that bowel cancer. I was just on a role. And, I promise I won't do it again

Don't forget lung, nose and tongue cancer...not to mention brain cancer. While we're at it, you may as well take the blame for Ebola. World hunger...is that going too far? I'm sure you must be to blame for that as well...eating all that meat while kids starve.

[kat]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

What life style choices causes cancer?

Imagine life as a game of Russian roulette. The best you can do with things like cancer is stack the barrel more or less in your favour; there are no guarantees. Wild animals occasionally get cancer.

That said, some things clearly stack the deck against people with regards to cancer. The WHO says 1/3rd of cases are preventable: WHO | Cancer prevention

I assume I don't need to link to research linking smoking and cancer - right?

http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/content/30/1/181.full - nitrosamine is carcinogenic. (And, not covered in that article, so are other compounds found in some foods, such as acrylamide)

Carcinogen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Lots of people have exposure to various carcinogens at work. I presume that you don't need to be convinced that asbestos is carcinogenic, for instance?