Dentist - should I let him kill the nerve?

[sebtanic]

I changed dentists recently because I was not happy with my old one. The new one found 6 bad teeth and wanted to kill the nerve in 4 of them. I objected and he put in fillings, which seems to have gone well so far. I have no pain at the moment. However there are still 2-3 teeth to be done. I believe in 2 of them he originally wanted to kill the nerve also.

What are pros and cons of killing the nerve in a tooth? Especially as I have no pain whatsoever currently. Why would he want to kill the nerve then? He explained me that the caries is close to the nerve... but I was kinda like, so what, if it doesn't even hurt?

Also, does anyone here know of "alternative medicine for teeth"? Something like water fasting to heal caries? There seem to be alternative treatments for lots of diseases, but for dental health I haven't come across anything so far.

[SireneB]

By "killl the nerve" do you mean a root canal (which does more that kill the nerve), or another procedure?

[curiouslyrandom]

If you are talking about root canal, by the time the tooth has gotten that bad, the nerve is dying off anyway.

[Cochonette]

Something like water fasting to heal caries?

Caries are cavities. They can only be removed by removing the teeth/bone.

[NDN Scholar]

Might be a good idea to consult a third-party dentist about this...

[Servina]

Originally Posted by NDN Scholar

Might be a good idea to consult a third-party dentist about this...

Yes, get a second opinion just to be sure. Don't let them do lots of invasive work on your teeth unless it's absolutely necessary. An up to date dentist should be about saving the tooth, rather than lots of invasive work.

[firenexx]

Simple cavities can be grown back. I won't delve into details as it is late and I don't feel like I can type that long. Google something about growing back teeth and you will find some great guides on that stuff.

As for the OP's specific problem, I know nothing about nerves/root canals/ etc.

[votoshka]

Here's an article on root canals I found today: Root Canal Dangers

There is some evidence that cavities can be healed, and further decay prevented by following the right diet (although it's controversial - some people believe it's impossible, while others have succeeded).

[ginkgo]

They call killing the nerve root canal. You then also have a dead tooth. Weston A. Price, DDS killed his son. He gave him a root canal and it got infected and he died. They did not have anibiotics at that time. The reason for root canals is the dentist makes a lot of money.

But isn't that why he goes into people's mouths? Dead teeth grow excess bacteria, cause bad health and lead to heart attacks and strokes. You do not want dead teeth in your mouth. If it gets infected then you will be in severe pain. Then the doctor will say that he cannot do anything else but a root canal. You can try to cure it with fasting or just get it pulled or in dentist jargon get it extracted.

This webpage tells you my experience with teeth that got infected. Again you know when it is infected since it will hurt a great deal. A root canal cost at least 5 times as much as an extraction. So that is why the dentist wants it.

[JamesKnochel]

Gerard Judd has some nice info about taking care of teeth, and getting the enamel to re-mineralize. Getting rid of fluoride is important, because fluoride molecules are reactive and cut up the enamel-repairing enzymes.

Edgar Cayce said that those who brush with baking soda & salt need never fear cavities.

-James

[Cado]

The way I read the thread title, I thought you were asking whether or not you should kill your dentist.

I should probably go to bed. That is all.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Illustro Cado

The way I read the thread title, I thought you were asking whether or not you should kill your dentist.

I should probably go to bed. That is all.

...Hmmmm...yeah probably!

[Andrew Gubb]

I was offered a costly root canal once, went to another guy and he gave me a quick filling.

If you avoid dentists completely, you don't even need to get a filling.

If you get fillings, avoid the metal ones - see if you can find a mercury free option somewhere.

It kind of makes me sick to my stomach, all of this crap.

[sebtanic]

Thanks for all your replies! It definitely helped me to make up my mind.

I am seeing the dentist tomorrow. I definitely won't let him kill any nerves/do any root canals for now. I agree with you Andrew a quick filling is probably the best option, however avoiding the dentist altogether isn't for me, cause I already have a couple of small and large cavities.

Killing the dentist made me laugh, but I'm not into violence so not an option either

Special thanks to everyone who posted info and links about alternative healthcare, I will have a look at all of it later. Brushing teeth with baking powder and salt does sound interesting.

And about avoiding fluor... wtf?! My dentist even offers an "optional" (as if anything they offered were compulsory) fluorization. So if fluor actually destroys the encymes, then fluorization certainly will give him more customers... it wouldn't surprise me if they actually did it for that reason...

Oh well wish me luck for my dentist visit tomorrow, and if you have any more tips for dental health: keep them coming, for the benefit of all those wishing to improve the shine of their grin

[firenexx]

it wouldn't surprise me if they actually did it for that reason...

Well, that reason, and because fluoride is just a toxic byproduct of the heavy metals industry, and they figure that it's real expensive to dispose of toxic byproducts. Why not just trick consumers into thinking that it's good for them, and sell it to them?

CDC recently lowered the limit of fluoride that can be used to poison municipal drinking water systems.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by ginkgo

They call killing the nerve root canal. You then also have a dead tooth. Weston A. Price, DDS killed his son. He gave him a root canal and it got infected and he died. They did not have anibiotics at that time. The reason for root canals is the dentist makes a lot of money.

But isn't that why he goes into people's mouths? Dead teeth grow excess bacteria, cause bad health and lead to heart attacks and strokes. You do not want dead teeth in your mouth. If it gets infected then you will be in severe pain. Then the doctor will say that he cannot do anything else but a root canal. You can try to cure it with fasting or just get it pulled or in dentist jargon get it extracted.

This webpage tells you my experience with teeth that got infected. Again you know when it is infected since it will hurt a great deal. A root canal cost at least 5 times as much as an extraction. So that is why the dentist wants it.

You just wanted to bring up Winston Price, didn't you?

[votoshka]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

You just wanted to bring up Winston Price, didn't you?

I think he just wanted to point out that Weston Price killed his son by giving him a root canal But it was actually me who kinda brought up Weston Price in my post previous to that, by linking to the Weston Price foundation website

[scorpio1980]

I don't think getting a root canal should be a first option, but if it comes between that and losing the tooth I would keep the tooth.

I have never had a root canal, but have had some tooth pain so I have researched, and talked to some people.

Most people I have talked to including dentists, both conventional, and holistic, family members, and friends say the same thing. There is some risk that a root canal could become infected, IF DONE IMPROPERLY.

Find a good dentist if needed, one with a proven track record. When root canals used to be done they didn't have the equipment they have now, and the tooth wasn't sealed properly on a lot of them. Now we have lasers that completely steralize the tooth, and a resin is meleted into the tooth leaving no pockets for bacteria to live. This is not 100% fail proof, but from what I have read it is estimated that 2-3% of root canal will become infected, and carry bacteria.

I follow Weston Prices work, and have adopted some of his diet principles, but what people fail to understand is that we have technology that wasn't available in his time. We can steralize a tooth, when he couldn't.

I wouldn't get a root canal if you can help it, but don't just let an infection sit in your mouth if you have one, and don't just get rid of a tooth that could be saved. This is just my opinion. You could fast until it is healed, but if you are like me that isn't an option at the moment.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by votoshka

I think he just wanted to point out that Weston Price killed his son by giving him a root canal But it was actually me who kinda brought up Weston Price in my post previous to that, by linking to the Weston Price foundation website

well lol either way, he would have brought him up anyways . But yeah, did not click on your link, which probably would have saved me a little

[Johnny Metal]

I feel very sad and angry.

I went to the dentist today, and this woman, who seemed more interested in getting the work off her back than helping me keep my teeth healthy, drilled a tooth that had just a tiny bit of caries but didn't hurt previously. The hole she made is really shallow, and the filling she put in lasted a couple of hours and then came out.

Getting a proper filling would require drilling a bigger hole in the otherwise healthy tooth, and I don't wanna do that.

My tooth feels sensible to the touch now after being drilled-on and with no filling to protect it. Is there something I can do to so my tooth is not sensible to the touch anymore?

I just flossed my teeth with salt and baking soda. Will abstaining from eating and water-fasting for 5 days as gingko suggested do the trick? Or is there any special food I need eat that would make enamel re-mineralize?

Feeling very sad, but grateful for your support.


Edit: I just realized that I replied to the existing thread, not to derail I created a new one:

Dentist - I want to murder the b....




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[sebtanic]

Johnny I'm sorry about what happened to you! However it could be normal that it hurts the first day, but in 1 or 2 days the tooth will have healed and you won't be in pain anymore. Try to avoid eating on that side while it hurts, and avoid very cold or hot food and drinks.

So far my fillings have turned out very well, I have not let my dentist kill anything and there remain 2 or 3 teeth to be done. I will definitely not let him do a root canal now. Also I got a toothpaste made of salt and baking soda (and some other mostly herbal ingredients, plus alcohol) which I really like, even the taste is cool once you get used to it.

[shaynasmom]

Yes, I am new. Had internet connect since 1999, and this is the first time I ever reached out. Yes, I am a little shy. I came across your site from a google search on green drinks, and then phifoundation.com
I am very glad I found remarks regarding "dentists I'd like to murder", and more threads regading bad dental work.
I had root canal work done, and since then my health has been going downhill. In the process of finding a good dentist I can trust. When I find one I will tell you about it. Can I say where I am located? Phoenix AZ Thanks for letting me take time to say hello. Heal!!!

[ginkgo]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

You just wanted to bring up Winston Price, didn't you?

Well if he would have followed this advice, then his son would still be alive. Also Winton would be a better name than Weston except he did not win anything. He lost his son.

[ginkgo]

Originally Posted by firenexx

Well, that reason, and because fluoride is just a toxic byproduct of the heavy metals industry, and they figure that it's real expensive to dispose of toxic byproducts. Why not just trick consumers into thinking that it's good for them, and sell it to them?

CDC recently lowered the limit of fluoride that can be used to poison municipal drinking water systems.

It is a by-product of making aluminum but aluminum is a light metal. Also by them saving money then our aluminum products are cheaper. They put chlorine, a deadly poison, into tap water to kill deadly bacteria. But it is terrible to put into our bodies so it makes sense to purify the tap water before drinking it.

My reverse osmosis water purifier is powered by the water pressure in the tap water system. The water with all the impurities in it like chlorine and flouride just go down the drain leaving me with pure water. I have been doing this for decades. Both chlorine and fluorine are in the same family of elements and the packages with it have a skull and cross bones on it and form chloride and fluoride.

"F2 (fluorine) is a supremely reactive, poisonous, pale, yellowish brown gas." "Fluoride is the anion F−, the reduced form of fluorine when as an ion and when bonded to another element. Both organofluorine compounds and inorganic fluorine compounds containing are called fluorides."