An article that sent shockwave to my entire body

[escapee]

http://www.brianpeskin.com/efa-analysis.pdf

The author (David Sim , MD) suggests a supplementation of unadulterated / unprocessed parent omega 6 / omega 3 from a ratio of 1 : 1 to 2.5 : 1 rather than just omega 3 (fish oil or flaxseed) alone. This is really a shock to me as many people including myself are supplementing with omega 3 alone without considering the unprocessed/ un adulterated form of omega 6.

One section of the article also "reinforces" the still unpopular notion that saturated fats are not the cause of clogged artery. Rather, It's the trans fat and alduterated/ commerical vegetable oil that are causing the buildup of clog in the artery through the transportation of LDL cholesterol

I'm off this board for a while for some soul searching and "emotional healing".

[m0vingon]

You may want to check out Udo's Choice Oil. It's meant to have the correct balance of the necessary EFAs. I've been using it for some time. I found taking capsules multiple times a day to be very helpful during a very stressful time earlier this year.

[escapee]

Back to say thanks for the recommendation

[Erki]

Sorry if I sound a bit...careless or something... but what exactly was in that article that was so shocking? It's 50 pages long and I don't quite have the time/bothering to read it all. So, what was *so* scary in that article? What happens if I take supplements the wrong way? Is it life threatening? Or do I just get shockwaves?

(sorry for the last one, didn't want to sound arrogant, I actually do care about my health. (just to set things straight))

[shant121]

Originally Posted by escapee

supplementation of unadulterated / unprocessed parent omega 6 / omega 3 from a ratio of 1 : 1 to 2.5 : 1 rather than just omega 3 (fish oil or flaxseed) alone.

Rather, It's the trans fat and alduterated/ commerical vegetable oil that are causing the buildup of clog in the artery through the transportation of LDL cholesterol

I'm off this board for a while for some soul searching and "emotional healing".

Well it may very well be true. Natural will not harm, artificial may. where are the other nutritionists????

[takkaria]

Originally Posted by escapee

The author (David Sim , MD) suggests a supplementation of unadulterated / unprocessed parent omega 6 / omega 3 from a ratio of 1 : 1 to 2.5 : 1 rather than just omega 3 (fish oil or flaxseed) alone.

This seems strange. Seth Roberts, a self-experimental scientist who is very interested in the effects of omega-3, has had results quite opposite from this. for comparison's sake, I quote David Sim:

I had a routine dental examination in June 2004. With all the “picking,” probing, flossing, and brushing there was not one drop of bleeding. The hygienist was in disbelief and stated this had never happened before.

She then pulled my chart and to her astonishment told me something shocking. Six months prior, at my last cleaning, there was “heavy bleeding.” She said nothing like this reversal had ever happened before. I had brushed my teeth the night before like I do every evening. I did nothing different EXCEPT to change the ratio of the omega 6/3 blend taken during the last six months, in favor of much more “parent” omega 6. Furthermore, there was no pain whatsoever during the cleaning. Previously, there would always be significant pain while “poking” and cleaning.

The evening before I brushed and flossed like I do every day, just like 6 months prior. Everything but the EFAs were constant.

Seth Roberts, in a recent blog post said:

I looked at my gums this morning. I had never seen them so pink (that is, non-red). They looked just like the picture of healthy gums at the dentist. As I explained yesterday, my gums are in good shape because I am drinking 4 tablespoons/day of flaxseed oil, which contains a lot of omega-3.

Wikipedia suggests that the average diet has anything from a 10:1-30:1 intake of omega-6/-3, and the ideal ratio is somewhere around 4:1.

I wonder how these can be reconciled?

[openeyes]

While the ideal ratio of omega 6: omega 3 is 1 : 1 to 2.5 : 1 according to people such as Mercola, the reason most recommend supplementing largely with omega 3s is to balance out the effect of most diets already being high with omega 6, with common omege 6:3 ratios often being 10-30:1 or so, as takkaria mentions.

[shant121]

Originally Posted by openeyes

While the ideal ratio of omega 6: omega 3 is 1 : 1 to 2.5 : 1 according to people such as Mercola, the reason most recommend supplementing largely with omega 3s is to balance out the effect of most diets already being high with omega 6, with common omege 6:3 ratios often being 10-30:1 or so, as takkaria mentions.

Good point there. Therefore, everyone is correct.

Something is better than nothing. So Seth Roberts' "I am drinking 4 tablespoons/day of flaxseed oil, which contains a lot of omega-3." is great. But "a supplementation of unadulterated / unprocessed parent omega 6 / omega 3" may be better. Anyway Seth Roberts has not said anything on the unprocessed parent omega 6 / omega 3.

I have a feeling that omega-3 supplements are given more importance than they deserve (although I've taken them myself before). If diets "naturally" contain a lot more omega-6, than maybe our bodies are designed to use omega-6 much better than omega-3. Maybe there is no need for omega-3 and omega-6 derivatives or other nutrients may do the job better.

[escapee]

While the ideal ratio of omega 6: omega 3 is 1 : 1 to 2.5 : 1 according to people such as Mercola, the reason most recommend supplementing largely with omega 3s is to balance out the effect of most diets already being high with omega 6, with common omege 6:3 ratios often being 10-30:1 or so, as takkaria mentions.

Mercola actually recommended Evening primrose oil ( unprocessed / unalduterated form ) for wide variety of medical applications despite the fact that it's omega 6 (gamma LA) . So from there, we can maybe link that to the article that sent shockwave to my entire body.

10-30:1 ratio is probably an overestimation as most of it is coming from heated food source and adulterated commercial oil, resulting in defective cholesterol that bring so much harm to our CV and immune system.

For me it makes so much sense to get both the parent omegas in its natural and unprocessed form at the same time.

[kat]

Originally Posted by shant121

I have a feeling that omega-3 supplements are given more importance than they deserve (although I've taken them myself before). If diets "naturally" contain a lot more omega-6, than maybe our bodies are designed to use omega-6 much better than omega-3. Maybe there is no need for omega-3 and omega-6 derivatives or other nutrients may do the job better.

What I've heard from a number of sources is that historically, human diets were much closer to what's considered ideal than modern diets are; if I recall correctly, this is because foods high in omega-3 tend to have a very short shelf life. As heavily processed foods have become commonplace, omega-3s have become rarer in the average diet.

Omega-3 fatty acid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia makes the same general claim, and might provide a jumping off point if you're curious to look into it further.

The current scientific view is that both omega-3 and omega-6 are necessary; they're "essential fatty acids" as humans need them to survive and cannot produce them from food that they eat which doesn't contain them.