Newsflash: The everything in everything kills you. Get over it.

[Groundless]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

Who's to say we need any of the foods that aren't digestible raw? Potatoes, for starters, are pretty useless as a food. Don't really need to eat broccoli either. What other foods need to be cooked and why is it taking it to the extreme? And is eating only processed food, which most of America does, also considered taking it to the extreme?

Too true.

Potatoes have little nutritive value. They are just useless calories. While no carbohydrates are required for the body to do function well at least broccoli has some nutritive value, potatoes are crap for the human body.

Exactly, the problem is "normal" has become abnormal to the human body and this is backed up by corporation controlling the message from the scientific community.

[Groundless]

Originally Posted by viteshb

I agree With you mate, I have to listen to all these studies i have to live in a cave and onyl drink water. I think the thing that making people gettign disease is this society, like people dont sleep good and deep enough these days.

Vitesh

Actually, eat meat, drink water, that would be accurate, LOL.

[stanmrak]

Personally, I want to know about everything that is a threat to my health. If I have any concern, I can investigate myself, and make my own choices about what to do about it, if anything.
Like the bumper sticker says, If you think education is expensive, try ignorance!

For example, no one wants to know how dangerous cell phones are so they can continue to use them without any precautions. Since I've found out, I use the speakerphone and hold the phone away from my brain!

On the other hand, I'm not interested in domestic terrorist activities, illegal immigrant serial killers or some child abduction that occurs halfway across the country.

[Groundless]

Originally Posted by stanmrak

Personally, I want to know about everything that is a threat to my health. If I have any concern, I can investigate myself, and make my own choices about what to do about it, if anything.
Like the bumper sticker says, If you think education is expensive, try ignorance!

For example, no one wants to know how dangerous cell phones are so they can continue to use them without any precautions. Since I've found out, I use the speakerphone and hold the phone away from my brain!

On the other hand, I'm not interested in domestic terrorist activities, illegal immigrant serial killers or some child abduction that occurs halfway across the country.

I have to agree. Well done response.

[metamorph]

Originally Posted by stanmrak

Personally, I want to know about everything that is a threat to my health. If I have any concern, I can investigate myself, and make my own choices about what to do about it, if anything.
Like the bumper sticker says, If you think education is expensive, try ignorance!

For example, no one wants to know how dangerous cell phones are so they can continue to use them without any precautions. Since I've found out, I use the speakerphone and hold the phone away from my brain!

I largely agree, but the downside is constant fear and paranoia. And as far as I understood the OP this fear can acutally be more harmful to you than the nutrients.

Let's play a game! See if you cannot find any mentioning of an increased health risk (cancer, allergies or anything else related to possibly damaging your health) of the following random items using google:

cinnamon
coffee
celery
tomatoes
blueberries
sushi

On the other hand, there are even books out there dedicated to explaining that smoking does not cause lung cancer. The point is you will find proof of everthing.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by metamorph

I largely agree, but the downside is constant fear and paranoia. And as far as I understood the OP this fear can acutally be more harmful to you than the nutrients.

Let's play a game! See if you cannot find any mentioning of an increased health risk (cancer, allergies or anything else related to possibly damaging your health) of the following random items using google:

cinnamon
coffee
celery
tomatoes
blueberries
sushi

On the other hand, there are even books out there dedicated to explaining that smoking does not cause lung cancer. The point is you will find proof of everthing.

I'll start it off.
Tainted-tomato outbreak spreads to 23 states - MarketWatch

[Elrond]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

I'll start it off.
Tainted-tomato outbreak spreads to 23 states - MarketWatch

Anything is unhealthy if you put salmonella in it.

[AaronB]

Originally Posted by Curtis2011

Is anyone else a little tired of reading about all the things that are killing us?

It seems every day there is a "new discovery" that some once-thought-innocent food or ingredient is slowly killing us all. And yet, life goes on.

Personally, I would rather not hear about any of it. The fear mongering gets kind of annoying imo.

Anyone else feel this way?

I agree with you, though I'm not tired of it since fear mongering catches very little attention from me. The way I see the world there are those of us who are quite relaxed, and on the other end of the spectrum there are those who are super paranoid about everything. I believe both are living life their favorite way. While some prefer to relax and enjoy life, some people prefer to seek out what might hurt them and avoid it. I currently see no problem with people who like to run around scared. It's like a hobby for them.

[Lifeisamazing]

Originally Posted by Groundless

Too true.

Potatoes have little nutritive value. They are just useless calories. While no carbohydrates are required for the body to do function well at least broccoli has some nutritive value, potatoes are crap for the human body.

Exactly, the problem is "normal" has become abnormal to the human body and this is backed up by corporation controlling the message from the scientific community.

Complete nonsense, sorry. I recommend reading this: WHFoods: Potatoes

Potatoes offer quite a bit of vitamins, cost very little and keep us satisfied for a pretty long time compared to other foods. Not to mention that they fit well with just about any kind of meat and fish.

[Lifeisamazing]

Originally Posted by stanmrak

Personally, I want to know about everything that is a threat to my health. If I have any concern, I can investigate myself, and make my own choices about what to do about it, if anything.
Like the bumper sticker says, If you think education is expensive, try ignorance!

For example, no one wants to know how dangerous cell phones are so they can continue to use them without any precautions. Since I've found out, I use the speakerphone and hold the phone away from my brain!

On the other hand, I'm not interested in domestic terrorist activities, illegal immigrant serial killers or some child abduction that occurs halfway across the country.

Well said!

I've heard that about cell phones. Unfortunately, forgot about it quickly. I use my phone very seldom but I should implement your tip nevertheless.

[Lifeisamazing]

Originally Posted by metamorph

I largely agree, but the downside is constant fear and paranoia. And as far as I understood the OP this fear can acutally be more harmful to you than the nutrients.

Let's play a game! See if you cannot find any mentioning of an increased health risk (cancer, allergies or anything else related to possibly damaging your health) of the following random items using google:

cinnamon
coffee
celery
tomatoes
blueberries
sushi

On the other hand, there are even books out there dedicated to explaining that smoking does not cause lung cancer. The point is you will find proof of everthing.

That's why you need to study consistently. I've read quite a bit and there are a few fitness/nutrition experts that I trust and avoid others.

But again, everybody knows it's much easier to have no feelings and to be completely stupid.

[stanmrak]

Originally Posted by metamorph

I largely agree, but the downside is constant fear and paranoia.

I beg to differ. The choice of your response is yours - feeling fear or using common-sense preventive measures. For example, I'm not "afraid" of using the cellphone, but I choose to use as many precautionary measures as is practical when I use mine, because I know they're dangerous.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by stanmrak

I beg to differ. The choice of your response is yours - feeling fear or using common-sense preventive measures. For example, I'm not "afraid" of using the cellphone, but I choose to use as many precautionary measures as is practical when I use mine, because I know they're dangerous.

Or you are pulled into the paranoia propaganda swarm that says it's dangerous.

[stanmrak]

Whether or not information is passed on as "propaganda" has no bearing on the truth of it. Sometimes, propaganda (and conspiracy theories) turn out to be accurate.

In the case of cell phone safety, I've examined the issue for several years now, met the guy who managed the largest cell phone study in history (who was fired and later attacked because he refused to cover up the evidence of harm that he found). I can tell you that almost all of the "information" on cell phone safety that's published is pure rubbish. The cellular/telecommunications industry makes sure about that. After all, they OWN the media.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by stanmrak

Whether or not information is passed on as "propaganda" has no bearing on the truth of it. Sometimes, propaganda (and conspiracy theories) turn out to be accurate.

In the case of cell phone safety, I've examined the issue for several years now, met the guy who managed the largest cell phone study in history (who was fired and later attacked because he refused to cover up the evidence of harm that he found). I can tell you that almost all of the "information" on cell phone safety that's published is pure rubbish. The cellular/telecommunications industry makes sure about that. After all, they OWN the media.

So the guy who was fired, told you all this big bad stuff about the cell phone industry safety. He has no bias AT ALL. Is this what HE told you? No chance he got fired, then tried to get back at them, and they attacked him because he was spreading propaganda against them? I've looked, and there is still not enough proof that cell phones cause brain tumors, sorry

[stewartM]

asking girls out kills you...

[Curtis2011]

Originally Posted by stewartM

asking girls out kills you...

Lol...


Actually, I feel more alive after doing so!

[metamorph]

Originally Posted by stanmrak

I beg to differ. The choice of your response is yours - feeling fear or using common-sense preventive measures. For example, I'm not "afraid" of using the cellphone, but I choose to use as many precautionary measures as is practical when I use mine, because I know they're dangerous.

Then you know more than anyone else. I think the matter is still open to debate. On the one hand, because you would have to follow up on hundreds of thousands of people for decades to see if there is an increased risk of cancer. How long have cell phones been in wide use? (I bought my first cell phone 10 years ago).

You see, a few decades ago people were scared that they would get cancer from flying (higher radiation at higher altitudes). There is actually some scientific sense to it.
Some business men, who flew commonly were actually wearing lead gowns (like the ones you get if you have Xrays taken). Nice having some extra 20kg hand luggage Of course studies following up on thousands of flight attendants and pilots were unable to show any increased risk of cancer...
Then, when the microwave first came on the market, people were afraid it would cause cancer....

[agsags]

The main cause of death is life. Now THAT is scary .

[Technicolor Tim]

Originally Posted by metamorph

This is also taking it to the extreme. I guess in the last 10-25 years it dawned on people in the western world, that ultra-processed foods esp in the fast food industry are not healthy. But rather than adopting a more gentle way of processing (e.g. steaming vegetables) people go to the other extreme and think everything is better raw. For some foods some processing definitely makes the food better digestible, more palatable, and in some cases healthier (try eating raw potatoes for a start).

And try eating cooked potatoes, and see how that works for your blood glucose levels, and how that in turn works out for your health over time. The fact that potatoes are edible does not make them "food" and you'd be better off not eating them at all, unless you happen to be a pig (which I assume you're not).

[James81]

Did anybody else read this article:

McDonald’s Happy Meal resists decomposition for six months | The Upshot Yahoo! News - Yahoo! News

???

Hilarious.

[Lifeisamazing]

Originally Posted by Technicolor Tim

And try eating cooked potatoes, and see how that works for your blood glucose levels, and how that in turn works out for your health over time. The fact that potatoes are edible does not make them "food" and you'd be better off not eating them at all, unless you happen to be a pig (which I assume you're not).

Interesting. What is your knowledge based on?

[metamorph]

Originally Posted by Technicolor Tim

And try eating cooked potatoes, and see how that works for your blood glucose levels, and how that in turn works out for your health over time. The fact that potatoes are edible does not make them "food" and you'd be better off not eating them at all, unless you happen to be a pig (which I assume you're not).

Mate, are you seriously suggesting that potatoes cause diabetes???? If so, please give us a link. I would be really curious to read that one.

Potatoes have been the daily "bread/rice" of large parts of human western civilisation for centuries.
Has the whole world gone crazy, or are we simply living in such a obnoxious wellfare society that we can frown upon such foods. Not everone on this planet can afford the luxury to live on goji berries and sushi alone.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by Technicolor Tim

And try eating cooked potatoes, and see how that works for your blood glucose levels, and how that in turn works out for your health over time. The fact that potatoes are edible does not make them "food" and you'd be better off not eating them at all, unless you happen to be a pig (which I assume you're not).

This is what I mean. It's one thing to say artificial preservatives are not food. But then I read on this forum that a root vegetable people have been happily eating for food for over TEN THOUSAND YEARS is not a food.

I eat cooked potatoes all the time and my blood glucose is perfectly fine.

[stanmrak]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

So the guy who was fired, told you all this big bad stuff about the cell phone industry safety. He has no bias AT ALL. Is this what HE told you? No chance he got fired, then tried to get back at them, and they attacked him because he was spreading propaganda against them? I've looked, and there is still not enough proof that cell phones cause brain tumors, sorry

No one is EVER going to convince everybody that cell phones cause brain tumors. I'll promise you that. Even if someone finds conclusive evidence, the cellular industry will squash them like a bug if they speak out. The telecommunications industry is even more powerful than the drug lobby, and they own the media as well. They don't have to prove that cell phones are safe anymore; they've already won.

Me? I'm not going to wait for that day before I start using some common sense. In the meantime, keep an eye on the statistics for brain cancer for the next couple of decades. And notice how the rate of neurological disorders is going to skyrocket in the future; they already are starting.

And the things you suspected about my source? There's no chance! The sequence of events is public record.

[metamorph]

Originally Posted by stanmrak

Me? I'm not going to wait for that day before I start using some common sense. In the meantime, keep an eye on the statistics for brain cancer for the next couple of decades. And notice how the rate of neurological disorders is going to skyrocket in the future; they already are starting.
The sequence of events is public record.

Well, in using common sense and public records: neurologial disorders have been increasingly diagnosed in the past 30 years or so. Simply because we know more and have better diagostics (MRI) than in the past..... Same will happen in the future.