Question For Raw Fooders

[Andrew Gubb]

A poll for you. I'm basically looking to find out whether the low fat concept is something that happens mainly for people who have read "The 80/10/10 Diet" or if people arrive at it by their own inspiration, as well. I kind of suspect that many people reach 80/10/10 intuitively.

INSTRUCTIONS:

Select a poll option marked (811) if you have read "The 80/10/10 Diet".

Select a poll option marked (N) if you have NOT read "The 80/10/10 Diet".

[russianrocket]

There are many other alternatives. I'm 50/50 raw meat/fruit. Sometimes more fruit, sometimes more meat.

[Andrew Gubb]

yeah i guess i should have thought to include an "other" option.

[Weena]

I'm not raw but have joined a raw forum, making at least two juices a day and including more raw stuff as i go along. I don't plan on being 100% raw (i have a husband and kids to feed) but i sure feel more energy since i started fresh juices.

[Firefly101]

Well, I'm mostly raw, all vegan, low fat, I get overt fats right now mostly from avocado. I still eat some rice, potatoes.

I think I intuitively knew high-fat raw wasn't the best way, as I started to get grossed out by all of the nuts. Blecch...

So, I dealt with that by going back to SAD vegetarian, 'cuz cheese is so much better than nuts.

Then when I found Doug Graham and 80/10/10, I just went, "Ooooohhhh.....yeah.....that's it."

[votoshka]

Hard to answer this properly....

I am not quite raw, but heading that way (some days I do better than others!) I guess I lean towards high fruit + veg, but I do add some fat to my diet (flax seed oil mostly... sometimes some avocado...sometimes nuts).

Not sure if it is 80/10/10 or what Possibly a bit more fat... but I definitely don't have MUCH fat.

I haven't actually read Dr. Graham's book, but I DID order it off Amazon the other day! So eventually I'll read it

[metamorph]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

I'm 50/50 raw meat/fruit. Sometimes more fruit, sometimes more meat.

You eat RAW meat???? You are brave (hygiene standards in the meat industry are just not as strict as they should be in all cases....)

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by metamorph

You eat RAW meat???? You are brave (hygiene standards in the meat industry are just not as strict as they should be in all cases....)

The same amount of food borne illness' have come from raw veggies, as they have from meat. Keep in mind tho, that most food borne illness from meat, were usually very cooked, and processed.

This whole eggs salmonella scare, all the while I'm consuming 4-6 raw eggs every single day. Guess who's never gotten a food borne illness? this guy.

[metamorph]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

The same amount of food borne illness' have come from raw veggies, as they have from meat. Keep in mind tho, that most food borne illness from meat, were usually very cooked, and processed.

This whole eggs salmonella scare, all the while I'm consuming 4-6 raw eggs every single day. Guess who's never gotten a food borne illness? this guy.

Good for you. Maybe you really have a "paleo" stomach

Do you also eat raw chicken/poultry (which is esp prone to bacterial overgrowth if not handled well) ?

[Andrew Gubb]

Originally Posted by votoshka

Hard to answer this properly....

I am not quite raw, but heading that way (some days I do better than others!) I guess I lean towards high fruit + veg, but I do add some fat to my diet (flax seed oil mostly... sometimes some avocado...sometimes nuts).

Not sure if it is 80/10/10 or what Possibly a bit more fat... but I definitely don't have MUCH fat.

I haven't actually read Dr. Graham's book, but I DID order it off Amazon the other day! So eventually I'll read it

You'd be 80/10/10 if you eat enough fruit to get 2000 calories and then eat about 1/2 a small avocado a day or a small handful of nuts a day max. for oil i think you can have about 1 tablespoon.

[Andrew Gubb]

Originally Posted by Firefly101

Well, I'm mostly raw, all vegan, low fat, I get overt fats right now mostly from avocado. I still eat some rice, potatoes.

I think I intuitively knew high-fat raw wasn't the best way, as I started to get grossed out by all of the nuts. Blecch...

So, I dealt with that by going back to SAD vegetarian, 'cuz cheese is so much better than nuts.

Then when I found Doug Graham and 80/10/10, I just went, "Ooooohhhh.....yeah.....that's it."

Cool, that's the sorta story i was looking for

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by metamorph

Good for you. Maybe you really have a "paleo" stomach

Do you also eat raw chicken/poultry (which is esp prone to bacterial overgrowth if not handled well) ?

lol don't have the balls to try that yet. Way to much of a stigma behind it, which I just can't get out of my head. Tho I've heard that duck doesn't have the same issue as chicken and many raw foodist do eat duck, raw.


I have a "paleo" appetite. I feel that anyone can handle raw animal products with A LOT less issues then eating cooked animal products. Both egg and milk allergies are 95% gone when eating in their raw form.

[Firefly101]

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

Cool, that's the sorta story i was looking for

double

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

Cool, that's the sorta story i was looking for

Shouldn't you be looking for stories that both confirm and contradict your theory? If you are only looking for things that confirm your theory, then what's the point?

[Andrew Gubb]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

Shouldn't you be looking for stories that both confirm and contradict your theory? If you are only looking for things that confirm your theory, then what's the point?

I guess I just enjoy being right all the time!

[Andrew Brunelle]

I'm sure the 80/10/10 diet works for some people, but it certainly is not a universal diet. There is no one true diet that works for everyone. Even the raw diet without meat may not be right for some people. At least 1/3 of the population would get physically ill without some kind of animal-based fats. Sure, it may take a few years, but it will eventually happen. It may work for a good deal of the population, but the raw diet and the 80/10/10 diet certainly is not for everyone, and I would say a higher fat version of the raw diet would probably work for more people. I'm no doctor, but a raw diet makes sense intuitively and logically. It's just a whole question of getting all the nutrients we actually need. The worst thing that can happen on a diet like this is a nutritional deficiency and that manifests itself through all sorts of health problems. That is always something to watch out for.

[votoshka]

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

You'd be 80/10/10 if you eat enough fruit to get 2000 calories and then eat about 1/2 a small avocado a day or a small handful of nuts a day max. for oil i think you can have about 1 tablespoon.

Yeah, I probably only eat that amount of fat, WHEN I'm doing 100% raw. When I eat cooked food... well it's mostly not fatty either (although sometimes I'm bad!!)

Originally Posted by Andrew Brunelle

I'm sure the 80/10/10 diet works for some people, but it certainly is not a universal diet. There is no one true diet that works for everyone. Even the raw diet without meat may not be right for some people. At least 1/3 of the population would get physically ill without some kind of animal-based fats. Sure, it may take a few years, but it will eventually happen.

This is something that actually concerns me. Part of me thinks the old "Eat Right for your Type" is rubbish, but that's in part because I'm type O+ blood, who are supposed to do better with meat I would rather not eat meat...

Unfortunately, I haven't been veg*n long enough to know whether ultimiately it will work for me or not... Some people seem to do brilliantly after cutting out all animal products, and others do well for awhile and then struggle... I'm truly hoping that the "Type O people need meat!!" idea is rubbish and that it's nothing to do with blood type.

[Andrew Gubb]

I'll point out that none of the long term vegans I've met had health problems that could be traced to a lack of meat, or went away after reintroduction of meat. As for the blood type diet, I like Andrew Perlot's dissection of it: The Blood Type Diet: A Dangerous Way To Eat

[Lifeisamazing]

Andrew, I'll just ask out of curiosity - is it your goal to persuade as many people as possible to become vegetarians?

[Andrew Gubb]

No.

[aabbcc]

I do more raw food in the summer than during the colder months of winter, but I try not to taper off completely. My version of raw is a good mix of fruits, greens, vegetables, and sprouts, with a bit of nuts. I have more energy and feel so much better when I don't eat a lot of fat. I like my fat to be in the form of a whole food, so that I get a healthy balance of fat, fibre, vitamins, and minerals. I don't eat separated fats [butter, margarine, oil].

[Dimond]

I definitely feel that low fat, high fruit, moderate greens is the best way to eat raw for most. Usually one has to be healed of most or all health issues and be physically active to make it work long-term. Not necessarily 80-10-10, but somewhere pretty close to that. Maybe 60-20-20 or 70-15-15. I was quite low on fats for awhile, now I've added more in and will eventually cut back again, hopefully permanently. It wasn't the needed fats, but calories. One needs a lot of fruit per day or substitutes that can provide the calories. This is where superfoods can be beneficial because many are high in calories, yet fat-free (goji powder, camu powder, chlorella, etc.). This is why I've gone back to consuming more of them to help alleviate the need for more fat or huge amounts of fruit (more than I already eat). I agree whole food fats are way healthier for us. Oils should be treated more as a condiment and be used very rarely and not a valid source of fat. The exception is using it to get specific health benefits that coconut oil and others can offer. Yet still not overdo it.